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imaginary enemies do not attack and kill 20 unarmed soldiers
This made me wonder they had been larping to their people about how it was india who went in their territory and destroyed the camp and so the attack.

It's easy for them to lie like this when they have a brainwashed population which is forced to look through a tampered lens.

They can fool their people but not the world and it will cost them big time in the future.

Narrative building is no good when it's a one way street.
 

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It is very much necessary for the world to completely boycott china. I remember one incident when one chinese guy was arrested for some illegal work in Australia. To pressurize Australia to release him, china arrested 2 Australians falsely under serious charges. Such an uncivilized regime in power in china. To boycott it completely is the only solution.
Still these goras don't understand Chinese tactics.. china considers their own people as super race in worls
 

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Why do I have this feeling that all these antics of china showing us as the aggressor displaying videos where we are doing construction work and all this acting of china trying so hard to maintain peace is a setup by them to prepare their population for war and justify doing so.
VIPUL021969 (@vipul021969) Tweeted:
@globaltimesnews When chine strengthened its construction of its military, was china considering India Its biggest enemy? Your foolish government and dictator Xi has done a big mistake. Its price is not less than the humiliation of china, strong anti china alliance and big economic loss to china.
 

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Still these goras don't understand Chinese tactics.. china considers their own people as super race in worls
Because I heard of many export of chini
Chini kudi are most exported to goras

Now I can see the rang de basanti chini ambassador in Nepal doing dance basanti type bollywood photo shop
 

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Why do I have this feeling that all these antics of china showing us as the aggressor displaying videos where we are doing construction work and all this acting of china trying so hard to maintain peace is a setup by them to prepare their population for war and justify doing so.
They're a communist country that controls all avenues of information and shapes public opinion. I'm not even sure if Global Times is available to the population. If they want to cook up a reason for attacking us, they can just say we use toilet paper with Mao's face on it and get away with it.

I think the audience is someone else, and their motives are something else.
 
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China’s national security law for Hong Kong aims to block global criticism
This oppressive uncivilized chinese regime is most cruel and can go to any extent to brutalize democratic forces. Chinese elite is a scared and cowardly.
 

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Su-35 With Chinese Characteristics: Five Upgrades to Keep the PLA’s Russian-Built Fighters From Falling Behind

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Su-35 With Chinese Characteristics: Five Upgrades to Keep the PLA’s Russian-Built Fighters From Falling Behind

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Chinese PLA Air Force Su-35 Heavyweight Fighters

China became the first client for the Russian Su-35 ‘4++ generation’ heavyweight air superiority fighter in November 2015, when it placed an order for two dozen of the jets alongside two regiments of the S-400 long range surface to air missile system. The People’s Liberation Army began to receive the fighters little over year later in January 2017, with the delivery completed by mid-2019 with two dozen aircraft entering service - enough to form a single squadron. China has previously been a leading client for advanced Russian heavyweight fighters, ordering over 100 Su-27 jets and almost 100 of the newer Su-30 platforms in the 1990s and the early 2000s. The much smaller contract for Su-35s was a result of significant advances in Chinese military aviation which had reduced its reliance on foreign designs, with the J-11B entering service in the mid-late 2000s based on the Su-27 but fielding far superior capabilities, and the J-16 joining the fleet in 2013 as China’s first indigenous ‘4+ generation’ aircraft. China’s interest in the Su-35 is widely thought to have been influenced by the need for a technology transfer from Russia - primarily technologies pertaining to three dimensional thrust vectoring engines - rather than because of a need for the aircraft themselves. This transfer was included as part of the contract.

While the Su-35 is a formidable fighter, as of 2020 it’s capabilities notably lag behind those of indigenous Chinese aircraft in many key fields. Over the coming decade the aircraft will increasingly be considered at the lower end of the Chinese fleet, particularly in terms of its sensors and armaments, which provides the PLA with a strong incentive to upgrade the aircraft domestically. The possibilities for doings so are considerable, with Russian fighters having been modified to carry foreign weaponry and subsystems in the past and the Su-35’s airframe boasting formidable characteristics. A look at four major possible upgrades is given here.




PL-15 AESA Radar Guided Air to Air Missiles

PL-15
One of the most outstanding weaknesses of the Su-35 relative to new Chinese AESA radar equipped fighters such as the J-10C, J-11BG, J-16 and J-20 is the limited capabilities of its air to air missiles. The R-77 was the first active radar guided missile developed for Russian fighter-sized aircraft, and while it compares favourably with the American AIM-120C and Chinese PL-12 with a heavier warhead and longer range its performance is very limited compared to newer U.S. and Chinese designs. While the American AIM-120D introduced in 2014 was intended to provide an advantage over rival designs for at least a decade, and had a formidable 160-180km range, the Chinese PL-15 notably outperformed it by a considerable Martin. The new Chinese missile not only has a much longer range, between 250 and 300km, as well as a heavier warhead, but is also guided by an AESA rather than a passive radar. This makes the missile much more difficult to jam, allows it to better lock onto stealth aircraft at longer ranges and overall provides superior reliability to the American and Russian designs. The signifiant capability gap between the Su-35’s air to air missiles and the PL-15 is thought to be the primary cause behind the Russian fighter’s poor performance in combat stimulations, and equipping it with theses or similar missiles is vital to prevent it falling behind as a growing proportion of China’s fighter fleet is equipped with the new missiles.




R-37M Hypersonic Long Range Air to Air Missile

R-37M/ PL-21
A second option for upgrading the Su-35’s long range arsenal could be to equip it with missiles specialised in targeting enemy support aircraft such as tankers and AWACS. One option could be to equip the fighters with the Russian R-37M missiles, which with a 400km range and Mach 6 speed were designed to threaten both fighters and support aircraft but are particularly dangerous against the latter. Another would be to equip them with PL-21 missiles, which are currently being develop for the J-16 fighter and have an estimated range of over 500km The PL-21 has a number of advantages over the R-37M, which aside from its much longer range include AESA radar guidance includes a secondary seeker which uses infra red guidance for improved reliability. While it is more likely given its strengths in close range engagements that China will equip the Su-35 with PL-15 missiles rather than relying on it to hunt support aircraft over extreme distances, the possibility remains that the fighter could be relegated to such a role.




Su-35 '4++ Generation' Fighter

AESA Radar
One of the Su-35’s primary shortcomings compared to its Chinese counterparts is its lack of an AESA radar, with a passive radar not only providing lower efficiency but also being much easier to jam. While the Russian Air Force is notably considering integrating an AESA radar derived from that of the Su-57 onto the Su-35 in future, China’s greater familiarity with such technologies could allow it to do this domestically at a much lower cost. The PLA began to integrate AESA radar onto its fighters from 2013 with the J-16, while the Russian Air Force would only do so in 2019 with the much smaller and lighter MiG-35 fighter - which is its only AESA-equipped fighter in service today. Chinese AESA radar technologies are thought to be considerably ahead of those of Russia, and a new generation of these radars is expected to enter service in the early-mid 2020s. These could replace the Su-35’s Irbis-E radar, which is considered the world’s most capable passive radar deployed by a fighter, and provide the Russian-built jet with far superior situational awareness and a more reliable sensor suite.




PL-10 Short Range Air to Air Missile

PL-10
Another shortcoming of the Su-35 is its reliance on the R-73 air to air missile for short ranged engagements. The design was considered the most capable of the Cold War era and has been modernised considerably since, but ultimately is far inferior to its newer Chinese counterpart the PL-10. The new Chinese missile is fitted with a multi-element infra red seeker capable of engaging targets at +/-90 degree off boresight angles. It is paired with the helmet mounted displays used by modern Chinese aircraft to allow pilots to track targets beyond the aircraft's radar scan envelope using the high off-boresight capability, with the pilot able to lock on by simply turning his head towards the enemy aircraft. This provides Chinese jets with a considerable advantage over their competitors at close ranges, complementing the manoeuvrability advantage provided by three dimensional thrust vectoring engines The missile would complement the formidable capabilities of the Su-35’s airframe at close ranges provided by its high thrust/weight ratio and three dimensional thrust vectoring engines.




J-16 '4+ Generation' Fighter with Stealth Coatings

Stealth Coatings
China has emerged as a world leading in stealth technologies with a particularly strong emphasis on radar absorbent paints, and alongside applications on its J-20 fifth generation fighter it has also applied them to advanced fourth generation aircraft with reduced radar cross sections - namely the J-10C and J-16. These coatings at present are thought to give all of these new Chinese fighters a reduced radar cross section relative to the Su-35, and application of similar coatings to the Russian built jets would make them considerably more survivable at long ranges. Given the considerable investment in the field, Chinese stealth coatings are likely to far supersede their Russian counterparts including any coatings which may be applied to the upcoming Su-57 next generation fighter, and will ensure that the Su-35 does not have a major disadvantage in terms of stealth capabilities relative to other Chinese jets.




Chinese PLA Su-35 '4++ Generation' Fighter

Ultimately with China’s defence sector surpassing that of Russia in a growing number of fields, air to air missiles being a particularly notable one, it can be expected that China will attempt to integrate at least some upgrades onto the Su-35. The result could very well be the most capable Russian built fighter ever for air to air combat - potentially surpassing the capabilities of the newer Su-57 which at least for the foreseeable future will not have access to comparable missile classes or stealth coating technologies, and which may be forced to rely on an inferior AESA radar to that provided by China’s own defence sector. Whether China will purchase further Russian fighters, with the Su-57 having a number of strong selling points including its use of hypersonic ballistic missiles and the upcoming MiG-41 hypersonic interceptor promising many unique features, further Su-35 purchases remain highly unlikely given how far behind the design is in many ways relative to the new aircraft being produced domestically
I am calling BS with respect to Chinese air to air missiles. What the f? PL-15 is 400 km in range and PL-21 is 500km in range. How effective A2A missiles can be after 200km? Meteor is considered the advanced A2A missile powered by ramjet. Every time I read about Chinese A2A missiles they mainly boast about range and barely any specifics. If SU-35 is so inferior than Chinese planes why buy them in the first place.
 

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New updates from LAC:
- Chinese casualties much higher than 40, it may even reach triple digits
- Several more chinese still critical
- Not a single chinese go bck without any injuries that day
- China has not denied any news about casualties yet, which is basically affirmation

 

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I am calling BS with respect to Chinese air to air missiles. What the f? PL-15 is 400 km in range and PL-21 is 500km in range. How effective A2A missiles can be after 200km? Meteor is considered the advanced A2A missile powered by ramjet. Every time I read about Chinese A2A missiles they mainly boast about range and barely any specifics. If SU-35 is so inferior than Chinese planes why buy them in the first place.
that magazine is run by pakis. Take it with a pinch of salt
 
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China signals retreat, but some pain points remain
 

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The Chinese Road G219 that connects Tibet with Gilgit Baltistan passes just north of Karakoram Pass. Hence it can be easily intercepted andblocked by India militarily. The territory that Pakistan ceded to China. that is Shaksgam Valley borders Karakoram pass / DBO. Siachin glacier is the only wedge between GB and DBO. Therefore DBO becomes strategically important in so far as it influences those vital territories affecting the BRI and CPEC that enter Pakistan through Khunjareb being part of Shakshgam valley...

DBO are is connected with two raods from Depth ares through Chip Chap River valley coming on to Depsang bawl / plains in front of DBO. From Indian side DBO is now connected by two roads and one ALG and forces sufficient to threaten G-219 can be built there. That is what rattles China.
Thank you for your post explaining the dynamics of roads building in Ladakh. I suggest that you re-examine your geography. The Chinese Hwy G219 is nowhere near Gilgit-Baltistan

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New updates from LAC:
- Chinese casualties much higher than 40, it may even reach triple digits
- Several more chinese still critical
- Not a single chinese go bck without any injuries that day
- China has not denied any news about casualties yet, which is basically affirmation


In my opinion, this conflict was a game changer. It shook china from its core. China lost all its enthusiasm to fight a war. It would have frightened Xi for a possibility of bigger humiliation in case of escalation of conflict further. China finds this casualties difficult to hide. What will happen if deaths are too high like Nathula. It will shake the chair of xi. May be because of this reason, china's enthusiasm faded.
 

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Su-35 With Chinese Characteristics: Five Upgrades to Keep the PLA’s Russian-Built Fighters From Falling Behind

MILITARY WATCH


https://militarywatchmagazine.com/forceapp




Asia-Pacific, Aircraft and Anti-Aircraft

Su-35 With Chinese Characteristics: Five Upgrades to Keep the PLA’s Russian-Built Fighters From Falling Behind

July-7th-2020



Chinese PLA Air Force Su-35 Heavyweight Fighters

China became the first client for the Russian Su-35 ‘4++ generation’ heavyweight air superiority fighter in November 2015, when it placed an order for two dozen of the jets alongside two regiments of the S-400 long range surface to air missile system. The People’s Liberation Army began to receive the fighters little over year later in January 2017, with the delivery completed by mid-2019 with two dozen aircraft entering service - enough to form a single squadron. China has previously been a leading client for advanced Russian heavyweight fighters, ordering over 100 Su-27 jets and almost 100 of the newer Su-30 platforms in the 1990s and the early 2000s. The much smaller contract for Su-35s was a result of significant advances in Chinese military aviation which had reduced its reliance on foreign designs, with the J-11B entering service in the mid-late 2000s based on the Su-27 but fielding far superior capabilities, and the J-16 joining the fleet in 2013 as China’s first indigenous ‘4+ generation’ aircraft. China’s interest in the Su-35 is widely thought to have been influenced by the need for a technology transfer from Russia - primarily technologies pertaining to three dimensional thrust vectoring engines - rather than because of a need for the aircraft themselves. This transfer was included as part of the contract.

While the Su-35 is a formidable fighter, as of 2020 it’s capabilities notably lag behind those of indigenous Chinese aircraft in many key fields. Over the coming decade the aircraft will increasingly be considered at the lower end of the Chinese fleet, particularly in terms of its sensors and armaments, which provides the PLA with a strong incentive to upgrade the aircraft domestically. The possibilities for doings so are considerable, with Russian fighters having been modified to carry foreign weaponry and subsystems in the past and the Su-35’s airframe boasting formidable characteristics. A look at four major possible upgrades is given here.




PL-15 AESA Radar Guided Air to Air Missiles

PL-15
One of the most outstanding weaknesses of the Su-35 relative to new Chinese AESA radar equipped fighters such as the J-10C, J-11BG, J-16 and J-20 is the limited capabilities of its air to air missiles. The R-77 was the first active radar guided missile developed for Russian fighter-sized aircraft, and while it compares favourably with the American AIM-120C and Chinese PL-12 with a heavier warhead and longer range its performance is very limited compared to newer U.S. and Chinese designs. While the American AIM-120D introduced in 2014 was intended to provide an advantage over rival designs for at least a decade, and had a formidable 160-180km range, the Chinese PL-15 notably outperformed it by a considerable Martin. The new Chinese missile not only has a much longer range, between 250 and 300km, as well as a heavier warhead, but is also guided by an AESA rather than a passive radar. This makes the missile much more difficult to jam, allows it to better lock onto stealth aircraft at longer ranges and overall provides superior reliability to the American and Russian designs. The signifiant capability gap between the Su-35’s air to air missiles and the PL-15 is thought to be the primary cause behind the Russian fighter’s poor performance in combat stimulations, and equipping it with theses or similar missiles is vital to prevent it falling behind as a growing proportion of China’s fighter fleet is equipped with the new missiles.




R-37M Hypersonic Long Range Air to Air Missile

R-37M/ PL-21
A second option for upgrading the Su-35’s long range arsenal could be to equip it with missiles specialised in targeting enemy support aircraft such as tankers and AWACS. One option could be to equip the fighters with the Russian R-37M missiles, which with a 400km range and Mach 6 speed were designed to threaten both fighters and support aircraft but are particularly dangerous against the latter. Another would be to equip them with PL-21 missiles, which are currently being develop for the J-16 fighter and have an estimated range of over 500km The PL-21 has a number of advantages over the R-37M, which aside from its much longer range include AESA radar guidance includes a secondary seeker which uses infra red guidance for improved reliability. While it is more likely given its strengths in close range engagements that China will equip the Su-35 with PL-15 missiles rather than relying on it to hunt support aircraft over extreme distances, the possibility remains that the fighter could be relegated to such a role.




Su-35 '4++ Generation' Fighter

AESA Radar
One of the Su-35’s primary shortcomings compared to its Chinese counterparts is its lack of an AESA radar, with a passive radar not only providing lower efficiency but also being much easier to jam. While the Russian Air Force is notably considering integrating an AESA radar derived from that of the Su-57 onto the Su-35 in future, China’s greater familiarity with such technologies could allow it to do this domestically at a much lower cost. The PLA began to integrate AESA radar onto its fighters from 2013 with the J-16, while the Russian Air Force would only do so in 2019 with the much smaller and lighter MiG-35 fighter - which is its only AESA-equipped fighter in service today. Chinese AESA radar technologies are thought to be considerably ahead of those of Russia, and a new generation of these radars is expected to enter service in the early-mid 2020s. These could replace the Su-35’s Irbis-E radar, which is considered the world’s most capable passive radar deployed by a fighter, and provide the Russian-built jet with far superior situational awareness and a more reliable sensor suite.




PL-10 Short Range Air to Air Missile

PL-10
Another shortcoming of the Su-35 is its reliance on the R-73 air to air missile for short ranged engagements. The design was considered the most capable of the Cold War era and has been modernised considerably since, but ultimately is far inferior to its newer Chinese counterpart the PL-10. The new Chinese missile is fitted with a multi-element infra red seeker capable of engaging targets at +/-90 degree off boresight angles. It is paired with the helmet mounted displays used by modern Chinese aircraft to allow pilots to track targets beyond the aircraft's radar scan envelope using the high off-boresight capability, with the pilot able to lock on by simply turning his head towards the enemy aircraft. This provides Chinese jets with a considerable advantage over their competitors at close ranges, complementing the manoeuvrability advantage provided by three dimensional thrust vectoring engines The missile would complement the formidable capabilities of the Su-35’s airframe at close ranges provided by its high thrust/weight ratio and three dimensional thrust vectoring engines.




J-16 '4+ Generation' Fighter with Stealth Coatings

Stealth Coatings
China has emerged as a world leading in stealth technologies with a particularly strong emphasis on radar absorbent paints, and alongside applications on its J-20 fifth generation fighter it has also applied them to advanced fourth generation aircraft with reduced radar cross sections - namely the J-10C and J-16. These coatings at present are thought to give all of these new Chinese fighters a reduced radar cross section relative to the Su-35, and application of similar coatings to the Russian built jets would make them considerably more survivable at long ranges. Given the considerable investment in the field, Chinese stealth coatings are likely to far supersede their Russian counterparts including any coatings which may be applied to the upcoming Su-57 next generation fighter, and will ensure that the Su-35 does not have a major disadvantage in terms of stealth capabilities relative to other Chinese jets.




Chinese PLA Su-35 '4++ Generation' Fighter

Ultimately with China’s defence sector surpassing that of Russia in a growing number of fields, air to air missiles being a particularly notable one, it can be expected that China will attempt to integrate at least some upgrades onto the Su-35. The result could very well be the most capable Russian built fighter ever for air to air combat - potentially surpassing the capabilities of the newer Su-57 which at least for the foreseeable future will not have access to comparable missile classes or stealth coating technologies, and which may be forced to rely on an inferior AESA radar to that provided by China’s own defence sector. Whether China will purchase further Russian fighters, with the Su-57 having a number of strong selling points including its use of hypersonic ballistic missiles and the upcoming MiG-41 hypersonic interceptor promising many unique features, further Su-35 purchases remain highly unlikely given how far behind the design is in many ways relative to the new aircraft being produced domestically
Fanboyish article ! Stealth coatings to a copied Su-27 will make it stealthy !!? :dude: such a large unstealthy design cannot become a stealth by applying stealth coatings. Rest of the talks are also highly exaggerated. :crazy:
 
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