India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[prasadr14]

Oh Yah... Using aircrafts is raising threshold...
And you want the threshold to be low ... then lowest is let the Army surrender and offer their arses to the Chinese.. if soldiers are meant to below threshold cannon fodders.... then the country might as well have no IAF..
Do not propagate those third rate civilian ideas only practiced in India once upon a time.

Is that what I said?

Good day mate..

 

[AmitG]

Not with any intention to give offence but I’m routinely suspicious of any poster who has recently joined and pushes a line critical of the government/armed forces.

Just stating a fact. Can you deny that the armed forces lack critical equipment? And it’s not just here and there, it is across the board.Agreed that fact is not the fault of just this govt but it’s still a fact. That’s the reason, stay under the radar, build alliances and capabilities. Let’s not be like the Pakis and bury our heads in the sand. Having said that, in the mountains IA is the king and I am not saying this for the first time. In case of hostilities I have no doubt we will prevail but we will take casualties that could be avoided if we had better equipment. For one, compared to the Chinese our surveillance systems seem to be pretty poor. That’s the reason they seem to be able to track our movements better and outnumber us.

The problem with us is that when there is a conflict everyone gets all nationalistic and put soldiers on a pedestal. In times of peace no one bothers about soldiers and their needs. But when the shit hits the fan we expect the armed forces to pull our chestnuts out of the fire with whatever they have.

 

[AmitG]

it can detect 36 targets at the same time . we can fire 36 of the old missiles which might retire in few years at the same time along with abhyash drones and fire brahmosh in multiple numbers .. that cld work .. still there ll be also point defence weapons protecting s400.. with no time lag airforce has to fly and bomb it while s400 is busy . Or we have to airdrop special frontier force on a suicide mission.

A salvo of Brahmos should do the trick. In case of hostilities we need to take those S-400s out if not we will loose aircraft. Unfortunately I don’t think we will till we loose an aircraft or two.

 

[tarunraju]

"Tohre maai ka daamad lagav re, bhainchodo:"


Galat panga le liya 11 ne.

 

[rock127]

It's Chinese communist stooge Oli who is taking Nepal down the path of chaos. The Nepali people have started revolting...

It's in the best interest of India if we attack China now.
Even Politically BJP & Modi would come out stronger if a war happens.
Indian mentality very simple at this point.
We want to go war with China, our people are not afraid of deaths at all.
Even of tens of thousands die, People would still back the govt as long as we protect our lands,
If there is ZERO death but loss of land, people won't forgive.

On other hand, China gains nothing,
The more visible the causalities, the weaker CCP becomes.
Whole CCP works by putting fear in Chinese people.
few thousands dead, I will bet anything CCP will have hard time dealing with it.

Lets see from 3 POV's:-

1. Political: BJP still has 4 good years till next elections and they have excellent opportunity to not just prove they take security of India as utmost priority but also winning back those who vote for other anti-national parties. Even if their CAA/NPR doesn't become successful somehow or delayed, they can still claim ground to get to be voted again if they take concrete actions against China/Pak. Also in 4 years we can see how much successful is Atmnirbhar Bharat since it can definitely help creating jobs. No wonder if BJP again gets 350 seats next time. New India needs to have some decisive victory and roadmap for future. Making the plan of taking back PoK public is a good step. BJP is very careful on it's statements against China without any war jingoism and it's good overall.

2. Militarily: 3 Surgical Strikes(2 Pak, 1 Burma) showed that military has the will & capability to hit targets outside it's boundaries! All they need is political backing! No wonder why such strikes didn't happen in other party rule. Due to past corrupt Political parties some corruption went into Military brass as well but this should/may not be continued. There MUST be some reason India is not attacking right now. Remember even Mr. Manekshaw asked for ~6 months of preparation in 71. Chini menace has to be curbed since it has shown it's aim of annexing Nepal, Bhutan etc. China is today's Soviet expansionist and should end up in disintegration.

3. Intelligence & PsyOps : It's high time intelligence get into proactive mode to decimate all internal and external threats. Too many dogs are barking against it's own interests and we know their names. How can we think of being permanent member unless our Intelligence and Military is really effective as a global power. How the hell Nepal allowed to be in China's lap? Why AFG border so silent on Paki side? How Rohingyas staying at Jammu and Delhi? A strong PsyOps brigade is needed for sure.

 

[dude00720]

it can detect 36 targets at the same time . we can fire 36 of the old missiles which might retire in few years at the same time along with abhyash drones and fire brahmosh in multiple numbers .. that cld work .. still there ll be also point defence weapons protecting s400.. with no time lag airforce has to fly and bomb it while s400 is busy . Or we have to airdrop special frontier force on a suicide mission.

Why cant brahmos take out an S-400 ?

 

[garg_bharat]

Just stating a fact. Can you deny that the armed forces lack critical equipment? And it’s not just here and there, it is across the board.Agreed that fact is not the fault of just this govt but it’s still a fact. That’s the reason, stay under the radar, build alliances and capabilities. Let’s not be like the Pakis and bury our heads in the sand. Having said that, in the mountains IA is the king and I am not saying this for the first time. In case of hostilities I have no doubt we will prevail but we will take casualties that could be avoided if we had better equipment. For one, compared to the Chinese our surveillance systems seem to be pretty poor. That’s the reason they seem to be able to track our movements better and outnumber us.

The problem with us is that when there is a conflict everyone gets all nationalistic and put soldiers on a pedestal. In times of peace no one bothers about soldiers and their needs. But when the shit hits the fan we expect the armed forces to pull our chestnuts out of the fire with whatever they have.

Boss there are many assumptions and generalizations in your post.

Your assumption that India lacks in surveillance is wrong.

India may lack in offensive capability due to a variety of factors over the years. But India is not going on a 'foreign tour' anytime soon. India does maintain considerable defensive capability.

A war is not about 'holding lines'. This first world war ideology is long history. They will push us back in some areas. We will push them back in some other areas.

Get over your anxiety. India can buy a lot of emergency supplies.

 

[fire starter]

 

[AmitG]

Why cant brahmos take out an S-400 ?

It would need to be a salvo. A single one or a couple would probably be intercepted.

 

[fire starter]

we need USA for some time.

 

[Sehwag213]

So we have to rely on USA for troops movement at LAC ? So what exactly are Indian satellites going?

 

[here2where]

we need USA for some time.

Typical murican superhero jingoism and shows us as a weak 3rd world slave. Yankees fishing in muddy waters.
We need their alliance but not insults.

 

[fire starter]

Typical murican superhero jingoism and shows us as a weak 3rd world slave. Yankees fishing in muddy waters.

I said for some time.

 

[doreamon]

Why cant brahmos take out an S-400 ?

s400 can detect it .. longer range radar may not detect it if missile is at low altitude but short range radar can do it and its short range missile 9M96 missiles with range of 40km can engage brahmosh .. its a game of probability skewed in favour of s400 ... cnt say how terrain of laddakh ll effect .

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

So we have to rely on USA for troops movement at LAC ? So what exactly are Indian satellites going?

Just bs

 

[Akula]

So we have to rely on USA for troops movement at LAC ? So what exactly are Indian satellites going?

There are 320 military satellites currently present in space. Out of which half is operated by US and than by Russia, China and India. We only have 10-15 military satellites.

 

[garg_bharat]

So we have to rely on USA for troops movement at LAC ? So what exactly are Indian satellites going?

You read a tweet and immediately assume Indian satellites are dud. wow!
Get over your anxiety.

India needs to build strong alliances. This is need of the hour. I am happy that quad is just not a statement but is actually working.

 

[garg_bharat]

s400 can detect it .. longer range radar may not detect it if missile is at low altitude but short range radar can do it and its short range missile 9M96 missiles with range of 40km can engage brahmosh .. its a game of probability skewed in favour of s400 ... cnt say how terrain of laddakh ll effect .

India will find some way to engage S400. Don't worry.

 

[dude00720]

India will find some way to engage S400. Don't worry.

Buy 1000 drones from china and send them against their S-400. Game over.

 

[Bhadra]

Is that what I said?

Good day mate..

Raising threshold .... did not you say that..
So how air force raises theshold ... because it flies in the sky >>>
Missile do not... UAV do not...
If we do not use IAF does that mean PLAF will not be used ? Is there any such pact between us ??

From where you bring such pearls of wisdom... all our aircraft will e destroyed on ground if there was someone to listen to you ...