India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Narasimh]

More clear pictures of Mig 29 yesterday..

 

[vampyrbladez]

Sir,who do you think is responsible for this blunder?

MEA and ITBP. The Chinese took advantage while India was busy with the Kung Flu.

 

[TheMayank]

More clear pictures of Mig 29 yesterday..

find and break the bones of the journalists who are exposing Indian-army movements ...traitors

 

[Bullet]

Guys yesterday I told you we have won haji pir
I can confirm that 100 percent today
Whether it gets acknowledged at this moment, I cant say
But we have closed a major infiltration route forever.

Also make no mistake
chinese are in for salami slicing

Jai hind

Love you bro. Your most of the informations are accurate.

 

[hit&run]

No Political comments please.

Rahul Gandhi can do constructive criticism, should cross check media reports before publishing. But he is behaving like a troll.

 

[patriots]

That wont happen
Things take time
The LOC has been hot for 5 years now
There has been extensive artillery shelling for years
And important strategic posts were already being won
So this is but a continuation of that

For the LAC, the most important objective is to first ensure the CPEC Is a non starter
Apart from this
Tactical salami slicing will begin slowly
We will significantly gain in the next 5 years territory lost post 1962

But it is good to see that the public mentality has changed forever
What is essential now is to build on our manufacturing capabiities

Is nag with namica in active service...........
Can you confirm

 

[tarunraju]

Assuming that's credible, here's what will happen next:

• ImRandi will tweet accusing India of planning a "false flag" event, "threat to world peace," blah blah
• Either Indian agencies find these porks and feed them to the dogs;
• OR, India gets the provocation it needs to attack Pakistan

 

[AmitG]

MEA and ITBP. The Chinese took advantage while India was busy with the Kung Flu.

ITBP is under the home ministry. So yes the MEA for delaying action on the ground to stop the constructions because they were talking and the home ministry for not calling in the army sooner.

 

[Bhadra]

Sansani... sansani..
Let 67 battalions of SSB prove their border guarding military skills.

My three months long insistence on need to militarize CAPF is proving itself through bizarre events.. May be soon BSF will also get a chance to test their military skills..

 

[HawkisRight]

OIC's sham contact group on J&K to hold an emergency meet on Kashmir on Monday. Despite huge efforts by Pak, 52 out of 57 OIC members have refused to be a part of this clown show. Membership of this group stuck at 5 for 15 years.

Pakistan, Turkey. Who are the other three?

Azerbaijan,Niger and Saudi
Don't worry Saudi is our trojan there

 

[Piyadassi]

Assuming that's credible, here's what will happen next:

• ImRandi will tweet accusing India of planning a "false flag" event, "threat to world peace," blah blah
• Either Indian agencies find these porks and feed them to the dogs;
• OR, India gets the provocation it needs to attack Pakistan

I hope it being a planned false flag by us to climb up the ladder. However, I don't think that any attack on Porks would be provocative enough for Cheenis to open the LAC front.

 

[vampyrbladez]

I hope it being a planned false flag by us to climb up the ladder. However, I don't think that any attack on Porks would be provocative enough for Cheenis to open the LAC front.

It is a Pakistani ploy. Do not spread confusion to save unclean scum!

 

[hit&run]

A 50-year-old suffer of constipation in South China’s Guangdong Province almost killed himself after inserting a live, 40cm-long eel in his rectum, hoping to relieve his discomfort. The eel perforated the man’s digestive tract. #OddNews https://bit.ly/2AVxE6A

Now they have started using alive animals as enema. What is wrong with them?

 

[vampyrbladez]

 

[vampyrbladez]

A 50-year-old suffer of constipation in South China’s Guangdong Province almost killed himself after inserting a live, 40cm-long eel in his rectum, hoping to relieve his discomfort. The eel perforated the man’s digestive tract. #OddNews https://bit.ly/2AVxE6A

Now they have started using alive animals as enema. What is wrong with them?

Chinese are degenerates. Treat them like sub-humans that they are!

 

[varun9509]

A 50-year-old suffer of constipation in South China’s Guangdong Province almost killed himself after inserting a live, 40cm-long eel in his rectum, hoping to relieve his discomfort. The eel perforated the man’s digestive tract. #OddNews https://bit.ly/2AVxE6A

Now they have started using alive animals as enema. What is wrong with them?

I feel sorry for that eel.

 

[vampyrbladez]

I feel sorry for that eel.

Was that Eel's name by any chance Pakistan?

 

[IndianHawk]

Chinese are degenerates. Treat them like sub-humans that they are!

Threat them like ccp treats them. Don't give them space to speak nor any human rights.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

A 50-year-old suffer of constipation in South China’s Guangdong Province almost killed himself after inserting a live, 40cm-long eel in his rectum, hoping to relieve his discomfort. The eel perforated the man’s digestive tract. #OddNews https://bit.ly/2AVxE6A

Now they have started using alive animals as enema. What is wrong with them?

Should have used a cobra

 

[ladder]

Yes. For the bold.

Are you aware that the IA used to patrol to PP 19 in 1994?

Obviously my pay grade is very low so I can very confidently tell you the Officer who was (and is still) considered one of the 'brains' for Indian Nuclear posturing and changing the fundamental outlook of IA from purely defensive to offensive posture in Op Brasstacks and who played a fundamental role in formulating the Draft Nuclear Doctrine and training set up as also was in the JWG 1 which was initially set up under PM PVNR, who got the evidence of M11s being deployed in Tibet in 1994 over Dokalam simmering tensions and who opposed withdrawal of the Kupup Brigade and troops, also opposed draw down of troops in these areas. What happened? In order to seek peace, the draw down took place with ITBP being mandated to do the needful. It is the very same organization which had a standoff in 2017 with Chinese troops at a place where there is a Chinese defensive line and jetty today.

FYI, in 1990s, due to financial constraints, armour was majorly mothballed and armoured corps troops sent into valley in CI grid. Same was the situation with Mech Inf who, at places, had to deploy BMPs to escort the ROPs in heartlands along Lolab-Bandipore-Sopore.

Don't take my questions otherwise, I just want to know your response to my understanding of the situation.


Are you saying because IA patrolled upto PP19, you could afford a standoff at LAC ( with a hot LoC, disturbed valley and ruined economy). Please read 'afford' as both militarily and financially. And would have managed the situation if things went worse ( limited or full scale war)? With your own admission of Armoured corps situation. What about your sister services? Their ability to respond during the lost decade?

Was two front war any less probable today, than it was then?

The only time that I can think of historically is op Brasstacks followed by op Falcon and Chequered board, which had led to standoff.

Now if historical situation has to be analyzed why not start with 'at home' function on Navy Day 1986 wrt Gen. Sundarji and PM Rajiv Gandhi? Please include N.D Tiwari? visit to Beijing enroute to Pongyang. Because that became the basis for 1993 aggrement.

PM and CoAS relationship
probably plummeted further with PM Rajiv and Gen. Sundarji, than under PM Indira Gandhi and Gen. Rao.

Thus militarily, you may say you have had the appetite, I don't think other arms (Finance and MEA) of the Government concurred.

Thus IA's appetite was more than the govt. of the day. Rather bringing synergy in the approach, the divide grew. And can I give Gen Sundarji a clean chit here?

At present I see writers mentioning, ITBP cannot handle tripwire situation. They forget that ITBP was placed to avoid the incident going tripwire.
The same kind of writing you can find from Gen. Choudhury just before BSF came into being. He himself had concurred to place BSF under IPS DG.

The creation of CSG is again an analogous story isn't it?

So, my assertion is superficially recommending to bring ITBP under operational control of Army, glossing over practical difficulties is not going to lead anywhere. This move has both practical and historical baggage.

On the above I have found publication from quite a few veterans, presenting the need for placing the border guards under operational control of Army. But none have pointed out what are the objections from MHA and how to address them. Just pointing to IAS and IPS 'lobby' in words and 'syndicate' in meaning, is not only amaturish but defeative because as far as I can see, they are here to stay.

I must conclude now, as I have already been branded as promotee ITBP cadre officer for taking their side.
Just can't keep on working for ITBP pro bono.