India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Hellfire]

Please dont call me sir, unless you are just humouring, haha

I am just referring to your extremely negative presentation of the battle....

I find nothing positive in that piece of action. Do you?

 

[Proxy1234]

He is saying attack happened other day. On Tuesday. This is why he tweeted night out on Tuesday
And this is why Modi came on TV on Wednesday when objective were fulfilled. Please don't shoot the messenger.

Attack happened in midnight and continued for 4-5 hours, or you want to correct here. Pls tell

 

[ladder]

They are called 'Sahayaks' now....for a very long time. Only the anglicised Indians still insist on 'Batmen'. Here the Tweeter has called them 'The Batman'...in line with the superhero...a tribute to the famous Abhinandan Moustache...!!!

What language the tweet was in?
And what type of Indians are reading it?
AFAIK tweeter also has Hindi option.

Tell the person who you are defending to carry a clarification along with the tweet. ( Can be the same you posted here)
Why should army be left behind when PMO/MEA has to give out clarification after PM statement.
Or the tweet can carry a statutory warning ' not for anglicized Indian'

 

[Proxy1234]

I find nothing positive in that piece of action. Do you?

Loss of life of any human on either side of a border is a tragic loss.
What I am saying is you specifically highlighted Indian casualties and said Indian fought back bravely uphill but ultimately suffered more, which is wrong. Or is theri a correction here that you propose?

 

[IndianHawk]

I take on Baba's funny crap too when that handle posts seriously high posts. Is that jumping gun? Or verifying?

Even 10 + 20 is a very serious estimate which took time.

Now I am speaking of Arunachal being slowly activated. There is a deathly silence of that in SM and MSM.

We all know Baba's stuff is for enemies not really us. That's info warfare.

It's fine that it took time but senior govt handles were already leaking total casualties figure ( ANI intercept and US intelligence assessment) why put doubt on them before being totally sure of everything.

I'm pretty sure arunachal will be activated. I posted about it before real gain for china can only be tawang as in laddakh they are already pretty close to their claim line. But again tawang is heavily defended so let them come.

BTW subramanyam swami has already raised alarm but like I said it is very well anticipated.

Ultimately my point is why we are always so eager to confirm the negative news then positive?

Shouldn't it be the other way around. Isn't maintaining morale also part of warfare even if with some delayed info ?

All these things should also be considered especially keeping in mind the self defeating mentality Indian receive from anti national media and congi ecosystem.

 

[tsunami]

Thook do!!!!

Kasam se bhai ek bar to tabliki yad aa gaye

 

[Hellfire]

Or is theri a correction here that you propose?

None.

 

[tigerhill]

Hi
So the situation is tense
Its about holding out
But in the meantime CPEC IS screwed

 

[IndianHawk]

This was the news I was waiting!!

Well now the chinkies won't even fight !! How will I get my war !!

 

[Bhadra]

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“Army Blundered In Ladakh. Modi Must Use Brahmastra Now And Prepare For Limited War”: Swarajya Interviews Security Strategist Bharat Karnad

Swarajya talks to Bharat Karnad, an Emeritus Professor at the Delhi-based Centre for Policy Research and a national security expert, and tries to understand the current India-China stand-off in Ladakh by enquiring how we got here, who screwed up and the options we presently have to counter...

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What a sacrilege...

There are five agreements signed between India and China on border management due to which Army has been virtually pulled back from LAC and ITBP deployed in the name of demilitarization of LAC.

ITBP on LAC is not under command Army.

Under such circumstances this man is saying Army should have gone across Shyok River and taken positions on LAC thereby virtually nullifying the BPTA regime and probably triggering a conflict when the road was only in the minds of the planners thereby killing it in the womb.

To upgarde the raod was decision of CSG under MHA and stakeholders are MEA. MHA, MOD. IB and R&AW. ITBP is their agency on LAC. So why did not they deploy ITBP at PP14. PP15, PP17 and all heights overlooking Shyok River.

Some people are so naive as to blame the Army for nothing inspite of their tall claims to being experst and think tank.

Ok. nothing lost even now- at least deploy ITBP as far forward and on all heights overlooking Shyok. Why are they sitting cosy in their camps. Because Army is a perennial escape goat for abject civilian negligence and lack of understanding.

Burrrh.....

 

[amit19]

Sources : State run Oil companies have been told to ramp up supply and storage of all fuels (JET , Diesel and petrol) in Northern sector . Oil storage facilities near Ladakh activated



aabb kisi kooo koeee shaaak ????

 

[Sehwag213]

Loss of life of any human on either side of a border is a tragic loss.
What I am saying is you specifically highlighted Indian casualties and said Indian fought back bravely uphill but ultimately suffered more, which is wrong. Or is theri a correction here that you propose?

He talked about casualties. They were 106 casualties from our side
20 dead
10 POW
76 Injured.

He doesn't find it positive because we really haven't met any military objectives from it.

 

[IndianHawk]

@Hellfire kept on emphasising how uphill battle is tough, Indian soldiers were brave but at the end it was an uphill battle and gave some but mostly casualties were higher on our side.....

Yup and that was not the full picture only first phase as he himself has said here.

 

[Proxy1234]

He talked about casualties. They were 106 casualties from our side
20 dead
10 POW
76 Injured.

He doesn't find it positive because we really haven't met any military objectives from it.

And why obfuscating Chinese casualties when the phase 2 happened and completed just 6-7 hrs after phase 1?

 

[Thundering13th]

Sitting here we can only speculate what happened that day. The picture is very hazy. Nobody knows for sure what exactly happened. Many theories have been floated around. There is no official confirmation or proof of how things unfolded. There are bits and pieces. So no one other than the army and the govt knows the exact details. People say they had the heights and we suffered casualties initially. Do we know how the indian counter attack went through. Was it a different location where we were in heights. Was it at the same place. What was the topography of that gen area things like that. Sat images shows no temp or semi permanent/permanent structures in and around pp14 if we know where pp14 is on the sat image in the first place. China which has been very vocal specially when it comes to boasting about their military capabilities and keeps using funny phrases will stronger than mountain " " deeper than ocean " bs, has been rather quite on the entire episode. The regular rhetoric is on but even they are not their usual self boasting mode. I feel a lot of things are going on and we are certainly not on a disadvantageous position in galwan. But though times are ahead. We need to be on our toes. China must know this the hard way that India is not a pushover for them anymore and they need to get in in their DNA.

 

[indiatester]

Phase 1 where CO - about 10 KIA estimated
Phase 2 when Babuas were avengers - 20 odd. No one can give you a figure. There were few casualties of other side in Phase 2 which were life threatening.

There was something I had put out - the babuas gave them them more than they took .... the babuas actually gave them a hit that PLA will remember.

You have to understand that the calibration of information being released is done.

Also, I had tweeted radio silence with few going berserk over it. That is to indicate that there will be no more information forthcoming now forwards.

If I remember correct you suggested their number could be 2 i.e., 1:10 ratio.
You still hold on to that?

I also don't understand why this calibration of information being released? Gen VK Singh seemed straight forward enough. Or, is that calibrated too?

 

[aghamarshana]

I take on Baba's funny crap too when that handle posts seriously high posts. Is that jumping gun? Or verifying?

Even 10 + 20 is a very serious estimate which took time.

Now I am speaking of Arunachal being slowly activated. There is a deathly silence of that in SM and MSM.

U have deleted the tweet on Arunachal as soon as u've tweeted it, isn't it sir?

 

[Hijibiji]

we have an entire section sir.Choose one to your hearts content, or create one.
https://defenceforumindia.com/community/politics-society.45/

Choosing one or creating one - both will be too much work for me BUT i get that i cannot expect you to do all the work for me.

 

[Sehwag213]

If I remember correct you suggested their number could be 2 i.e., 1:10 ratio.
You still hold on to that?

He has already mentioned around 30.

 

[Hellfire]

We all know Baba's stuff is for enemies not really us. That's info warfare.

It's fine that it took time but senior govt handles were already leaking total casualties figure ( ANI intercept and US intelligence assessment) why put doubt on them before being totally sure of everything.

Because 43 is overoptimistic estimate. Without debrief, a figure was put out. Do you want me to start citing instances when we have officially trumped up figures?

And US intelligence 'sources' ....

Ultimately my point is why we are always so eager to confirm the negative news then positive?

Shouldn't it be the other way around. Isn't maintaining morale also part of warfare even if with some delayed info ?

Recollect my Dhola Redux? And the reaction that it generated here?

Information warfare is not only about boosting morale but also tempering the public opinion, of serious import in a democracy.

Just head through pages here. 'Chinese can not fight', 'Chinese Quality' etc. That is the general refrain ... here and offline. Reinforced day in and day out. With the experts having not set a foot on ground or dealt with Chinese along LAC.

What was there that was 'positive' sir? We lost men, to sheer stupidity of our leadership. Please do find me the positivity in that. I shall be glad.

All these things should also be considered especially keeping in mind the self defeating mentality Indian receive from anti national media and congi ecosystem.

Bold - no two opinions.