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another_armchair

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The Chinese appear to be very serious in trying to browbeat India this time. Seems strange especially after the Covid 19 scare. Almost all major economies including China have suffered a contraction due to Covid 19.War will only delay recovery. In spite of the economic situation if China wants to militarily needle India then they must be seriously considering India as a future threat. It is Psychological Warfare.

Of course they must be having some objectives in mind. The question is - what do they want from India?. I would think that capturing land is not their primary objective. From history we can guess that the PLA will withdraw from their current positions if the Chinese feel India has conceded to their demands in other areas. I am making an educated guess based on past Chinese behaviour. Ch

But this unpleasant situation created by Chinese belligerence should make us rethink. I agree defeating China militarily is not feasible in the present condition. We should not even think about the Chinese mainland beyond Tibet. But the PLA does face certain constraints in Tibet be it the climate, topography,extended supply lines etc. Fighting in Tibet is not the same as fighting in the Chinese heartland.

India cannot take the war to Beijing but we should have an war plan for the Tibetan plateau. The PLA logistical chain coming into Tibet is vulnerable to air action. Destroy the supply chains for the PLA in Tibet. This is of course catering for the worst case scenario where mad people in the Chinese Communist Party and the PLA decide to execute an invasion of India.

I believe it is in our capability to at least prevail over China in the Tibetan theatre. Of course the Chinese will send reinforcements and holding on to our gains might be not feasible without outside support (read US support).

The Army cannot achieve its aims without the support of the Air Force. One prerequisite for success is Air Superiority over the PLA Air force. Can we achieve air superiority over them in Tibet with just additional Rafales?.

If the Chinese decide to escalate to the nuclear level in Tibet then all calculations go into the dustbin.

But I feel our country has to have a viable battle plan to overwhelm the PLA at least in the Tibetan region.
This is purely in the worst case scenario. Which I hope doesn't happen.
If a geographically small Japan with a smaller population than the US could have a GDP almost half that of the US (at one time in the past) I see no reason that India cannot aspire to have an economy bigger than China decades from now. Once we gain economic parity with China we need not be defensive.
Border skirmishes aside, this time the Chinese aren't making as many aggressive statements like they were in Dolam/Doklam.

They are passive+aggressive this time unlike in 2018.

Their actions are aggressive, their statements are conciliatory.

India must have done something to make them feel threatened.

Openly announcing annexation of PoK which is rightfully our territory sounds the death knell for CPEC.

From their actions and words, they seem to want an assurance from us that we won't touch the CPEC, PoK and not make any claims over Aksai Chin. If they lose Aksai Chin today, they lose Tibet the day after the day after.

Imagine, the local bully losing without firing a bullet? That would be the biggest disgrace for the Sun Tzu and Fart of War faithfuls. They will simply implode from within.

The CPC is a military party and a diplomatic loss is almost regarded as massive loss of face.

Xi's detractors won't go easy on him.
 

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We have far more soldiers acclimated then china.
But I agree with your point. We need to not stop unless we dominate lac absolutely.

We need to threaten very lifeline of Chinese presence in tibet.

Nope bro , an Indian soldier only have three to Five Months in LAC .
 

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We have hydrophones networked to listen to know.
Besides no ssk can remain submerged for long . They have very small range when they are loaded for battle. They have to emerge regularly if they are coming toward India (paki subs). Chinese ssk are useless against India and are mostly for coastel defense.
In a War exercise USN nuclear sub was detected and locked by our old Kilo class sub and being exercise only firing didn't take place and USN wasn't aware of our sub. DRDO developed sonor is top notch. This happened in 2012 now we have more advanced sonors.
PLAN subs will be hunted down in Indian Ocean easily also recently their sub cought up in Vietnamese fisher men nets and was forced to snorkel/surface. By now Indian Navy might have Chinese subs signature.
 

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Nope bro , an Indian soldier only have three to Five Months in LAC .
Same goes for Chinese even less infact.

At any given time India have multiple times more acclimated soldiers then china.

Besides we have native mountainous people in our army. Gurkha , gadhwali, himachali and arunchal and norther Bengal and Sikkim people are all naturally live in high mountains. Compared to mainland Hans who need oxygen cylinder even at base camps.
 

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In a War exercise USN nuclear sub was detected and locked by our old Kilo class sub and being exercise only firing didn't take place and USN wasn't aware of our sub. DRDO developed sonor is top notch. This happened in 2012 now we have more advanced sonors.
PLAN subs will be hunted down in Indian Ocean easily also recently their sub cought up in Vietnamese fisher men nets and was forced to snorkel/surface. By now Indian Navy might have Chinese subs signature.
Most of Chinese subs are ssk they don't have endurance to come to India and fight. Only Chinese ssn can come here which are very noisy and too few in numbers.

Besides we have listing arrangements for subs with Japan and USA basically we track Chinese sub whenever Japan and USA track them.
 

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A hyperactive nationalism going viral on SM
Its SM, as in regular people trolling and supporting, and its just Nationalism without any prefix, You want average citizen to shiver and cry out of fear?
can lead India to make the same mistake as it did in 1962
For that you will have to bring Nehru back to life and then completely destroy army's capability and dance to the whims of CIA,
and also denuclearize India.
Time to tone down and find ways to de-escalate.
When did we tone UP or escalate?
 

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Most of Chinese subs are ssk they don't have endurance to come to India and fight. Only Chinese ssn can come here which are very noisy and too few in numbers.

Besides we have listing arrangements for subs with Japan and USA basically we track Chinese sub whenever Japan and USA track them.
Yes recently we have built listening stations in Maldives and sychilles islands. Also we have a listening station in Gulf of Omen. Indian Navy objective is to become security provider for Indian Ocean maritime sea traffic for shipping lanes taking over from USN. Recently IN claimed to be security provider and USN endorsed it as well. So to be security provider obviously IN doesn't sit idle will track every vessel. Pak corvette Yarmuk was tracked from Europe.
 

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Its SM, as in regular people trolling and supporting, and its just Nationalism without any prefix, You want average citizen to shiver and cry out of fear?

For that you will have to bring Nehru back to life and then completely destroy army's capability and dance to the whims of CIA,
and also denuclearize India.

When did we tone UP or escalate?
Good post. We need some nationalism just now. Being passive peaceful good guys haven't actually benefited much.

We have massive youth population . Need to invigorated them with purpose of nation building and take back our land from porki chinkies.
 

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Chinese ambassador is throwing us guggly. India china will never be friends because India will forever remain a threat to chinese rule in tibet. The only long-term solution is re-establishment of tibet as buffer zone between India and China.

Nothing else would really work. China knows it and hence is working with pakis since 1960s to keep India passive on tibet . Time to change the game.
 

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Chinese ambassador is throwing us guggly. India china will never be friends because India will forever remain a threat to chinese rule in tibet. The only long-term solution is re-establishment of tibet as buffer zone between India and China.

Nothing else would really work. China knows it and hence is working with pakis since 1960s to keep India passive on tibet . Time to change the game.
Yesterday there was a civilian flight which behaved strange over Tibet- Arunachal Pradesh. Definitely it was Chinese ELINT plane.
 
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