India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[IndianHawk]

We are unnecessarily celebrating , we must improve the infrastructure as fast as possible along LAC plus military posts all across the LAC wherever it is possible to set up one . China has a lot of posts near LAC , their soldiers are acclimated with the high altitudes , India only Ha ve few soldiers acclimatise with the high altitudes , Tourists in Ladakh stay in Room for one-day for acclimatization , high altitude sickness is absolutely dangerous , we need many levels of acclimatization for staying such altitudes, we need to act fast this is not going to stop anytime soon , it's the policy of China to dominate world through military and Economically . They want to make the world a Chinese colony they are preparing for push US Out from super power , at 2049 that is the 100 Th anniversary of Chinese Virus country . This is far too big and complex

We have far more soldiers acclimated then china.
But I agree with your point. We need to not stop unless we dominate lac absolutely.

We need to threaten very lifeline of Chinese presence in tibet.

 

[airtel]

if things go down to SCS route, we already have a logistic support agreement with US. I don't see us participating directly in conflict though but given that all logistics will be from here, cheenis for sure will try to block / destroy our assets and thats why trump is fast tracking ...

If China is busy fighting in scs with NATO .....then we should liberate tibbet , also capture some territories so that we can get direct access to afghanistan and tajakistan .

 

[IndianHawk]

Harsil... He must be high on UMDA quality weed. Tweet deleted ????

He is on congressi chini weed. His wife is connected to Confucius institute and brother in law is accused in national herald scam .

 

[Sridhar_TN]

with theses sikorsky mh-60's and the P8-I's we already have Chinese and paki subs
are sitting ducks.

Enlighten me on this. Are the P8’s really that effective. How do they detect submarines that are submerged and stealthily make their way to Indian waters.
I really don’t understand the concept of airborne asw crafts. How effective they really are.

 

[Gandaberunda]

In a war situation, everything is fair... if we give US logistics support , for sure Cheenis will take that as us being against...I am not getting into merits of who will fry whom..

That will be suicidal and bring more destruction for CCP. QUAD will get activated and many fronts from Indian perspective will be opened in LAC/ border.

 

[IndianHawk]

So China doing .. bagal main churi and mooh main ram .. As always

Just what I'm warning. Those chinki need a harsh lesson to learn.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Enlighten me on this. Are the P8’s really that effective. How do they detect submarines that are submerged and stealthily make their way to Indian waters.
I really don’t understand the concept of airborne asw crafts. How effective they really are.

P8- Poseidon drop sonobuoys in Ocean. You can search in YouTube about P8 ASW. P8 are not just plane airborne but it's a network involving several assets from destroyers submarines and land based radars.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

So China doing .. bagal main churi and mooh main ram .. As always


Off the topic .. Just watch how "Farmer's" English skills improve when tweeting spontaneously ..

Which begs the question. Is it a single farmer or a group of farmers.

 

[cereal killer]

We should not trust these Chinese diplomats. We need to keep our guard up. Another retreat will be disaster for Xi Jinping & CCP. That being said they must've thought that they would surprise us but our huge deployment has shocked them. This still can be a long game!

 

[IndiaRising]

Everybody knows IA don’t trust Chinese even if they make some goody-good statements. If you think IA will let its guard down, you are crazy. This is going to be a prolonged summer for troops of Eastern Command. I wish them good health and good luck.

 

[IndianHawk]

Everybody knows IA don’t trust Chinese even if they make some goody-good statements. If you think IA will let its guard down, you are crazy. This is going to be a prolonged summer for troops of Eastern Command. I wish them good health and good luck.

It's not just about holding guard anymore . It's about gaining leverage so that Chinese don't dare these stunts again.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

P8- Poseidon drop sonobuoys in Ocean. You can search in YouTube about P8 ASW. P8 are not just plane airborne but it's a network involving several assets from destroyers submarines and land based radars.

I know the workings of the P8s and their capacity as such. To drop sonobuoys you need an estimated area where the sub could be. In the vast ocean , you don’t know which area the subs are without any intelligence inputs or sightings to vector the aircraft to said area.

The only tool in the P8 that I believe assists in such detection is the MAD( magnetic anomaly detector). That too has its limitations and modern subs can somewhat oustmart that capability.

 

[IndianHawk]

Which begs the question. Is it a single farmer or a group of farmers.

It's a group obviously. He is not alone there are many handles coordinating what he points out.

 

[Tridev123]

The Chinese appear to be very serious in trying to browbeat India this time. Seems strange especially after the Covid 19 scare. Almost all major economies including China have suffered a contraction due to Covid 19.War will only delay recovery. In spite of the economic situation if China wants to militarily needle India then they must be seriously considering India as a future threat. It is Psychological Warfare.

Of course they must be having some objectives in mind. The question is - what do they want from India?. I would think that capturing land is not their primary objective. From history we can guess that the PLA will withdraw from their current positions if the Chinese feel India has conceded to their demands in other areas. I am making an educated guess based on past Chinese behaviour. Ch

But this unpleasant situation created by Chinese belligerence should make us rethink. I agree defeating China militarily is not feasible in the present condition. We should not even think about the Chinese mainland beyond Tibet. But the PLA does face certain constraints in Tibet be it the climate, topography,extended supply lines etc. Fighting in Tibet is not the same as fighting in the Chinese heartland.

India cannot take the war to Beijing but we should have an war plan for the Tibetan plateau. The PLA logistical chain coming into Tibet is vulnerable to air action. Destroy the supply chains for the PLA in Tibet. This is of course catering for the worst case scenario where mad people in the Chinese Communist Party and the PLA decide to execute an invasion of India.

I believe it is in our capability to at least prevail over China in the Tibetan theatre. Of course the Chinese will send reinforcements and holding on to our gains might be not feasible without outside support (read US support).

The Army cannot achieve its aims without the support of the Air Force. One prerequisite for success is Air Superiority over the PLA Air force. Can we achieve air superiority over them in Tibet with just additional Rafales?.

If the Chinese decide to escalate to the nuclear level in Tibet then all calculations go into the dustbin.

But I feel our country has to have a viable battle plan to overwhelm the PLA at least in the Tibetan region.
This is purely in the worst case scenario. Which I hope doesn't happen.
If a geographically small Japan with a smaller population than the US could have a GDP almost half that of the US (at one time in the past) I see no reason that India cannot aspire to have an economy bigger than China decades from now. Once we gain economic parity with China we need not be defensive.

 

[IndianHawk]

I know the workings of the P8s and their capacity as such. To drop sonobuoys you need an estimated area where the sub could be. In the vast ocean , you don’t know which area the subs are without any intelligence inputs or sightings to vector the aircraft to said area.

The only tool in the P8 that I believe assists in such detection is the MAD( magnetic anomaly detector). That too has its limitations and modern subs can somewhat oustmart that capability.

We have hydrophones networked to listen to know.
Besides no ssk can remain submerged for long . They have very small range when they are loaded for battle. They have to emerge regularly if they are coming toward India (paki subs). Chinese ssk are useless against India and are mostly for coastel defense.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

They call it the submarine killer. Do we have a thread for it?

No -why don't you start one

 

[Gandaberunda]

Action started on LoC. As usual DJ ISPR shot down own Chinese drone and CFV.

 

[IndianHawk]

This is chini western command courtesy chola on BRF and Jamestown foundation.

It's almost as big as India and yet too few soldiers to guard it.

Also see the camps . Most of the camps are far away from tibet where they could breath. Most of these soldiers will take weeks to be acclimated to tibet if they all are moved in .

Even then india men will outnumber and overwhelm them .

Not to mention Chinese will need 10:1 superiority as an invader in Mountain warfare while in actuality they will struggle to match our numbers on border .

 

[IndiaRising]

It's not just about holding guard anymore . It's about gaining leverage so that Chinese don't dare these stunts again.

the Chinese ambassador may have said this today to make sure all their citizens are peacefully evacuated. Nonetheless, it wouldn’t be far fetched to say IA is currently at war-time readiness

 

[IndianHawk]

Action started on LoC. As usual DJ ISPR shot down own Chinese drone and CFV.

Some link !!