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rock127

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There is no direct evidence since the casualty was not released yet, but indirect evidence are circulating on cyber, you can judege by your own. I know in this forum people don't want to believe any bad news for IA.
I said 0 death, but there are casualties: 2 serious injured and 3 are lighter.
We released causalities first without delay. Where are your soldiers? Already secretly burned as COVID patients among 100,000?

Chinese soldiers died for a mafia called PLA(headed by goon Xi aka Winni the Poo) and not a country called China! There is a reason Chinese soldiers don't join voluntarily but FORCED by conscription. What a shame to be a Chinese soldier. We pity families of CHINESE SOLDIERS! :tsk:

Here are INDIAN SOLDIERS whose martyrdom is seen+respected by all but CHINESE SOLDIERS died for nothing and bunch of cowards and expendables!

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Global times is never our official newspaper, Mr Hu is also quite controversial people.
He said there were casualties, but no other valuable info after that.
The news llike this are quite chaotic, they are citing each other and confirm each other... I don't know how those "US intelligence" can really prove it.
I was watching the casualties report from beginning here. When there are 3 Indian killed reported, people believe there were 5 PLA killed. When there are 20 Indian killed, people believe the are 34 PLA killed no one beliee the 5 thing. This is quite interesting mindset, people like to believe what they like to believe.
So Gobar Times is a mouth peace of Japan? Ok guys so we have a Chini here with US flag now accepting he is a Chinese.

So in a clash of 300-500 the # of causalities are supposed to rise but since YOU Chinese played this video game in GOD MODE!

In Kargil war, Pakis at least accepted 400 odd soldiers dead even when it was around 3000+ but you have 0 causalities since some "goodwill" prevents you. This good will means your Han Chinese EGO which has punctured! Chinese are the bigger cowards and 200% DENIAL MODE than Pakis.

One question... how much Chinese died in Nanking when Japanese butchered? Do you know something like Nanking even happened?

This report is translated into Chinese in our forum:

PLA Death Squads Hunted Down Indian Troops in Galwan in Savage Execution Spree, Say Survivors

1) 本场冲突一共持续了八小时。
解放军手持铁棒和用铁丝网包裹的警棍(狼牙棒???)Furious hand-to-hand fighting raged across the Galwan river valley for over eight hours on Monday night, as People’s Liberation Army assault teams armed with iron rods as well as batons wrapped in barbed wire hunted down and slaughtered troops of the 16 Bihar Regiment, a senior government official familiar with the debriefing of survivors at hospitals in Leh has told News18.周一晚上,当解放军的突击队手持铁棒和用铁丝网包裹的警棍追捕和slaughtered (不懂请查字典)比哈尔邦第16团(16 Bihar Regiment)的部队时,激烈的肉搏战在加尔旺河谷持续了8个多小时,一位熟悉在莱赫的医院幸存者情况的政府高级官员告诉News18。


2) 至少有23名印军在冲突中丧生,其中包括比哈尔邦第16团的指挥官桑托什·巴布(Santosh Babu)上校。
The savage combat, with few parallels in the history of modern armies, is confirmed to have claimed the lives of at least 23 Indian soldiers, including 16 Bihar’s commanding officer, Colonel Santosh Babu, many because of protracted exposure to sub-zero temperatures the Indian Army said late on Tuesday.这场野蛮的战斗在现代军队的历史上几乎没有相同的案例,据证实已经夺去了至少23名印度士兵的生命,其中包括比哈尔邦第16团的指挥官桑托什·巴布(Santosh Babu)上校,这么多的伤亡是因为他们长期暴露在零度以下的低温,印度军队周二晚些时候说。


3) 说是冲突,基本上是解放军追着印军漫山遍野跑,还有印军慌不择路跳河被淹死的。
“Even unarmed men who fled into the hillsides were hunted down and killed,” one officer said. “The dead include men who jumped into the Galwan river in a desperate effort to escape.”
一名警官说:“即使是逃到山坡上的没有武器的人也会被追捕。”。“死者包括跳入加尔旺河拼命逃跑的士兵。”


4) 目前还有24名印军重伤,超过110人受伤。
Government sources say at least another two dozen soldiers are battling life-threatening injuries, and over 110 have needed treatment. “The toll will likely go up,” a military officer with knowledge of the issue said.
政府消息人士说,至少还有24名士兵正在与危及生命的伤势搏斗,超过110人需要治疗。一名了解此事的军官说:“死亡人数可能会上升。”。


5) 冲突的起因是印军越过实控线烧毁了解放军搭建的帐篷。
The fighting at Galwan, News18 had first reported on Tuesday, began after troops under Colonel Babu’s command dismantled a Chinese tent sent up near a position code-named Patrol Point 14, close to the mouth of the Galwan river. The tent had been dismantled following a meeting between Lieutenant General Harinder Singh, who commands the Leh-based XIV Corps, and Major-General Lin Liu, the head of the Xinjiang military district
据News18日报道,加尔旺的战斗是在巴布上校指挥的部队拆除了一个中国帐篷后开始的,这个帐篷是在加尔旺河口附近一个代号为“14号巡逻点”的位置附近搭建的。这座帐篷是在总部位于莱赫的第十四军团指挥官哈林德·辛格中将和新疆军区司令林刘少将会晤后拆除的


6) 解放军占据高处有利地势向下投掷石块,而印军没有还手之力。
Large rocks were also thrown towards the Indian positions by Chinese troops stationed on the high ridge above Point 14, one source said. Though some fought back using the improvised weapons carried by the PLA, most had no means of defence.
一位消息人士说,驻扎在14号巡逻点高山脊上的中国军队向印度阵地投掷了大量石块。尽管有些人使用携带的简易武器进行反击,但大多数人没有防御手段。

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My personal analysis:
1. Among the 20 death, only 3 of them are died in "battle field", but rest of them are not.

If they were all dead on hand with hand fighting, i would say PLA might suffered similiar amount of causualities. But from Indian own news report, the 17 death were from riverside and cliffs.

2. Since the highest ranking the colonel died in the battle field, the whole team seems out of control and collpsed, media used more hours to find KIA numbers of IA soldiers.

3. I would say this is more an accident than a real fight to IA. When the team was collapsed, there was no plan b and rescue team on the second line. The injured soldiers and missing ones suffered whole night at hight of 4500m, this is quite cold during night. The climate killed most of soldiers than PLA.

4. So far, the CCP didn't inflame any domestic anger here, on our weibo, it's not even on the top10 news.
Government, CCP, Xi Jinping, DoD, none of any them made any official statement, you can compare how many Indian top guys made such kind of statement.

If Chinsee side really suffered huge losses, you would imagine the reaction would be quite different.

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That's my personal analysis, welcome reasonable discussion, won't reply insulting.
So you are now accepting you have a SUICIDE Squad and they got killed in big numbers! Just like Jihadis. Thanks for accepting Chinese soldiers are 200% expendables!

Do you realize that you just did a self goal! :pound:

Heard that are 5 casualties, no death. But i have no resource to confirm it.
Hahaha! No resource to confirm! So whether it's 5 or 5000 you would NEVER EVER know! That's China for you! :rofl:

Why are people wasting time with chinese trolls? They are the same people who will be sent to the gulags if they disobey emperor Winnie the Pooh’s diktats.
Please stop engaging trolls. Most people here can see through their idiocy. You'll just waste your time and everyone else's here as they spam the thread and people needing to go through more of their useless replies.
Why not? On paki forums they are posting full 💩 and insults and we can't even counter them with facts? Do I post what they say in their forums?
 

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Is that what happend in 1971?
People don't know hardship they know only glory and valour.
@ezsasa
1971 war happened because of refugee crisis. Calcutta was still one of the prosperous parts of the country at that time.

country’s economy is more distributed now, rest of the country will go on.

During Kargil, rest of the country hardly got effected.

I don’t think old rules will apply anymore.
 

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To note, a localized war limited to a single theater and of limited modalites is a fantasy at this point. This will not be a Kargil. Every time the Chinese are on the back-foot they break the rules of engagement and move up the escalation ladder, as seen in Galwan. I think our defense planners recognize this and planning contingencies for a total-war scenario, which is why the delay in our response.

Testing times are ahead.
 

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Is the Gov waiting for the Rafale delivery? If it's considered to be Kargil 2.0 then Rafales can be of good use to our men.
 

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It's good that Chinese are getting a test of the climatic conditions. At least they are having to commit troops and are outside of their climate controlled barracks and tents.
They will come to know how woefully off the mark they are from what their cherry picker/hand picked generals have written in their military publications.
We have an objective east of LAC, what objective they have west of LAC/claim line ( to justify they are claiming Galwan)? To stop road work? A tactical objective which involved salami slicing has now attained strategic dimension with propertional costs involved.
Remember, Chinese will not go for final settlement of boundary dispute with India if harbouring the dispute is less costly than solving it.
 

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To note, a localized war limited to a single theater and of limited modalites is a fantasy at this point. This will not be a Kargil. Every time the Chinese are on the back-foot they break the rules of engagement and move up the escalation ladder, as seen in Galwan. I think our defense planners recognize this and planning contingencies for a total-war scenario, which is why the delay in our response.

Testing times are ahead.
Hence opening multiple fronts, as per Doval Papers to be called Multi-regional war situation.
 

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Contering china on multiple fronts is the need of the hour and the work is already in progress. A clear message needs to be sent this time. No more trusting the chinese. We must be more assertive
 

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Posting an answer here of a person who does have Insider info and I have also previously stated his analysis of the balakot strikes are worth reading.

People who want to know who is he where he
writes please PM me since I think posting here is against the forum rules.

Anyways here it goes.

Enormous push by the bureaucracy to engage in talks. Very few within army command are interested in any form of talks anymore. So everything now is being conducted at behest of bureaucracy. The idea of 500 police body kits being airlifted to leh is also apparently sourced from bureaucracy and shoved down the throat of the army.

Patrolling across the LAC could go on hold. It is too risky to send regular patrol units unarmed against premeditated ambushes. And the bureaucracy refuses to clear firearms and ammunition carry by Frontline patrol units. This could dangerously play into Chinese hands across the LAC while we try to figure out patrolling challenges.

Also pressure from MoD ministry to not reinforce the troops at LAC lest it escalates tensions. Laughable logic given that Chinese are now heavily reinforcing their front. The numerical imbalance at the front is now 2x-4x it was just 96 hours back. Edit: my wording was flawed. Troop reinforcement to the front,I.e. the LAC are being discouraged by MoD. But as of now no restructions on build up on troop levels at base HQ and rear areas.

His second answer.
expand...Take it easy. You misunderstood what I said. The buck stops with the defence minister and the CCS. No doubt about it.

However it is the job of the bureaucracy and the army officers to help the defense minster in formulating a strategy or philosophy. This includes development and wargaming of scenarios (nor military, but geopolitical and philosophical. Military wargaming is exclusively the ambit of the armed forces though bureaucrats have tried often to intervene even in this space, sometimes quite successfully). There will be a debate, discussion where the bureaucrats will try and convince the minister of their views and positions. And in the history of independent India, barring a few exceptional bureaucrats, in every emergency meeting the bureaucracy has always pushed for the continuation of status quo. The army representatives don't help their case either with their dull, drab reports and stoic faces. You need someone charismatic in those meetings to swing the opinion in your favour when the entire group of bureaucrats are pushing in the other direction

In this specific case the bureaucracy absolutely wants to avoid doing anything that could trigger a change in status quo. And it's projections are alarmist, to say politely. This will have an impact on the minister of defence, and even though it is he and CCS which finally makes the decision, these reports and opinions play on the minds of the ministers and PMs when they decide the course of action.


Now all I will say is at the end of the day all this info cannot be verified so take it how you wish too.
 

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God help,

INDIA is a country which fasted for a day a week during war of 1965 to help nation,

Now think about todays INDIA, at that time we were screwed we were eating what my parents calls them LAAL GEHU (RED WHEAT) from USA which was used for grazing of there pastures,

we have seen this days,

This is about LAL BAHADUR SHASTRI , a man who died for INDIA.

He asked his own family to
fast
for a day before requesting the nation to do the same. During the Indo-Pakistan war of 1965, former prime minister
Lal Bahadur
Shastri appealed to the nation to
fast
for a day, but before doing so, he tried it on his family.

and most probable on every Monday whole nation was fasting gave up meal on his appeal, not for durga, santoshi maa, saibaba, hanuma or shivji.

But for Mother India.

India is a different country, let the war happen you will know what its people are made of.
 
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