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In the Middle of all this Commotion with China, Some Good News, the Ladakhi Section of the J&K Police has now Officially Split from J&K Police and has formed there own Force As a New Union Territory under the Goverment of India. The New Ladakhi Police has officially announced and revealed there New Flag, Patch and Motto. A proud moment for People of Ladakh UT after all there the Hard Work and determination has now finally paid off.
 
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what if CCP doesn't measure their goals in GDP per capita terms, what if their goal is measured by survival of CCP and prosperity of CCP members alone?
That's exactly what there goal is . Gdp growth is to buy public support for ccp rule. They have to keep millions of new graduate employed otherwise unrest would follow as they don't have democratic channels to blow of steam.

But rest of the world won't aspire to that. We are too poor so we think Chinese level of wealth would be wonderful but most of the world is already that wealthy and couldn't care less for chinese model.
Even we are now growing as fast as China with a democracy too boot.( One of the reasons why Chinese hate India) .

If china has to emerge as an power that other follow it will have to achieve western level of wealth and it will have to build institutions which support it's vision.
Such institution can't be build without other major powers ( India Europe) and such wealth can't be acquired without western level of individual freedom and property rights .

Even now every rich Chinese invests most of his wealth outside china as his property is not secure in china.

It's not a coincidence that western countries are so rich and so ahead in science and innovation it's all intricably linked with individual freedom and property right with patents all of which drive research and innovation and entrepreneurship.

All the successful Chinese companies have till date only excelled in delivering final produts whose design and components are all developed in West.

Nothing groundbreaking new science have emerged from china despite so much investment.
 

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and he is funded by US Govt now..
That does not diminish his devoted service to Mother India... Modi govt will not give a position to the prodigal son of staunch Communist and Nuhruvian KPS Menon..

Every top bureaucrat and politician are either directly connected with US or are connected to the US via their progeny... They are all there... That includes many IA Top Brass :pound:

India was able to carry out Smiling Budha experiments by surprising USA as not even a single bureaucrat was on board... They never knew anything..
 
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Sh Anurag Srivastava: Namaskar. Good evening. Welcome to this virtual briefing. I will start with a statement on developments on LAC with China. This is a statement on record. Any suggestion that Indian troops had undertaken activity across the Line of Actual Control in the western sector or the Sikkim sector is not accurate. Indian troops are fully familiar with the alignment of the Line of Actual Control in the India-China border areas and abide by it scrupulously. All Indian activities are entirely on the Indian side of the LAC.

In fact, it is the Chinese side that has recently undertaken activity hindering India's normal patrolling patterns. Indian side has always taken a very responsible approach towards border management. At the same time, we are deeply committed to ensuring India's sovereignty and security. The Indian troops strictly follow the procedures laid down in various bilateral agreements and protocols to resolve any situations which may arise due to difference in perception of the LAC. The two sides have established mechanisms to resolve such situations peacefully through dialogue. Both sides remain engaged with each other to address any immediate issues. In accordance with the consensus reached in Chennai, Indian side remains firmly committed to work for the common objective of maintenance of peace and tranquility in border areas. This is an essential prerequisite to the further development of India-China bilateral relations.


Pardon my understanding, but it does look like Chinese side is in Indian territory?
 

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In the Middle of all this Commotion with China, Some Good News, the Ladakhi Section of the J&K Police has now Officially Split from J&K Police and has formed there own Force As a New Union Territory under the Goverment of India. The New Ladakhi Police has officially announced and revealed there New Flag, Patch and Motto. A proud moment for People of Ladakh UT after all there the Hard Work and determination has now finally paid off.
Ah !
It is bureaucracy galore!

Now post of a DGP, many IGs, tens of DIGs, Many Chief Secretaries, Secretaries, many financial advisors. scores of other bureaucrats, so many red light cars, luxury bungalows, Scores of Chamachas, so many platoons of CRPF etc etc.... Masti hai Bhai Masti hai...

Bhoop Sing will keep defending the LAC under subzero temperature without adequate infrastructure and wherewithal.... and DFI members will keep banging their keyboards..after all that is what democracy is all about.
 

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Ah !
It is bureaucracy galore!

Now post of a DGP, many IGs, tens of DIGs, Many Chief Secretaries, Secretaries, many financial advisors. scores of other bureaucrats, so many red light cars, luxury bungalows, Scores of Chamachas, so many platoons of CRPF etc etc.... Masti hai Bhai Masti hai...

Bhoop Sing will keep defending the LAC under subzero temperature without adequate infrastructure and wherewithal.... and DFI members will keep banging their keyboards..after all that is what democracy is all about.
Not really . When states divide .bureaucrats also divide based on population. So most posts are same.

The only extra posts will be what are required for a UT but a UT is far more efficiently run then any state.

It's a good thing they are no longer connected and maligned by Kashmir connection. How many indians avoided laddakh trip thinking it's affected by Kashmir militancy?

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Interesting observation I too agree India needs to procure more artillery to effectively counter China effectively in a limited border war. What is the current status of Howitzer M777 guns?
25 came directly from USA are deployed probably. Rest are being build by Mahindra in India . Some may be delivered already.
 

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Sh Anurag Srivastava: Namaskar. Good evening. Welcome to this virtual briefing. I will start with a statement on developments on LAC with China. This is a statement on record. Any suggestion that Indian troops had undertaken activity across the Line of Actual Control in the western sector or the Sikkim sector is not accurate. Indian troops are fully familiar with the alignment of the Line of Actual Control in the India-China border areas and abide by it scrupulously. All Indian activities are entirely on the Indian side of the LAC.

In fact, it is the Chinese side that has recently undertaken activity hindering India's normal patrolling patterns. Indian side has always taken a very responsible approach towards border management. At the same time, we are deeply committed to ensuring India's sovereignty and security. The Indian troops strictly follow the procedures laid down in various bilateral agreements and protocols to resolve any situations which may arise due to difference in perception of the LAC. The two sides have established mechanisms to resolve such situations peacefully through dialogue. Both sides remain engaged with each other to address any immediate issues. In accordance with the consensus reached in Chennai, Indian side remains firmly committed to work for the common objective of maintenance of peace and tranquility in border areas. This is an essential prerequisite to the further development of India-China bilateral relations.


Pardon my understanding, but it does look like Chinese side is in Indian territory?
It's a very generic statement . Saying china is wrong .
Chinese are saying the opposite that we too are in their area.
 

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Not really . When states divide .bureaucrats also divide based on population. So most posts are same.

The only extra posts will be what are required for a UT but a UT is far more efficiently run then any state.

It's a good thing they are no longer connected and maligned by Kashmir connection. How many indians avoided laddakh trip thinking it's affected by Kashmir militancy?

I
Ha Ha Ha ...
You mean to say they divide the DG and the Chief Secretary by halves,,,, :pound:

When a new state or UT comes up it is only "bale bale" of politicians and the bureaucrats.... people remain in same gutter...
 

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Indian Army was the largest institution of India of 1.7 million on the conclusion of WWII
Probably off topic but correction :
*BRITISH* Indian army...........trained in modern warfare and discipline by the britishers, provided guns and modern weapons by the britishers, battle plans and tactics devised by the britishers and LEAD by british officers in battle all the while British were looting the land of same british Indian army soldiers.
Basically they used subcontinent people to fight the subcontinent people and occupied and looted whole subcontinent and beyond.

Also Indian warriors were too unorganized or undisciplined by themselves to ever conquer or even think of far off lands, but under the banner/leadership/training of British Indian army they wrecked the whole middle east, same middle east whose attacks started on us around 7th-8th century and different vibrant hindu cultures stretched till afghanistan. Not even once we thought of giving it back.
 

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I'm tired of burecracy and Babudom to be honest.
I'm most disappointed the way CRPF is
CRPF should be an independent organisation with allegiance to army and Police at the same time but have its own set of values and law to guide itself.
CRPF should be headed by CRPF officers who had to climb from bottom to top. He would know his forces better than a IPS who has not slightest bit of Ideas.
People say IPS head CRPF to add the Civilian touch to the forces, as if CRPF soldiers come from Mars and never seen a life of a ordinary man.
A manpower fo 300,000 can do a lot more than just guard CMs and guard Glorified Daroga that are IPS.

Can a chef do a Carpenters job, can a carpenter do a chefs job?
Then how come we expect IPS to lead a para-military .
A force as big as CRPF can take of load from army and Police. If used right they can end insurgency in NE and central India.


Same is true for BSF. Why is IPS heading it again?
A 250,000 strong force, they are mini army in itself. They can replace the army everywhere on the border.
Militarise BSF. Raise Special force inside it to counter BAT attacks. A force this big if armed right can destroy Paki army close to border no need for army to gets its hand dirty.
Provide large artillery to them.
Train them right.
Raise Special force within same.
Raise a deidcated BSF sniper and Marksmanship school.
Increase their Budget so that they can procure weapon they want.


We are sitting on literal gold mine that remain unused.
 

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There are many more from where modi came.
It's not about modi but reinvigorated Indian civilization. We have survived for 6000 + years and have kept our culture largely intact. Even Chinese can't claim that as they destroyed their own culture to copy ussr.
They did it much before copy culture. Mao's Cultural Revolution was a movement that was destroying almost all symbols of tradition and culture. His cadres went around destroying traditional grave markers, fought Shaolin Temples. The current "culture"you see is manufactured for soft power and there's not much traditional about it.
 

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India patrols till Finger 8, China does till Finger 3. So this is individual perception of LAC. There is no agreed LAC on the lake. The standoff is that the Chinese have now deployed on Finger 3/4 and are preventing Indian patrol towards Finger 8.
 

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First World War occurred on collapse of the World economy..
The Second World war was triggered by the great depression of 1939 ... Germany devalued the currency so much that the war damages of WWI could be paid in a single day and others looked at their face bewildered... one needed a suitcase full of currency to buy a beer...

India needs to be on guard if Indians wish to protect their newly found BJP led Nationalist resurgence .... that is what is under threat from all sides - Pakistan, Nepal, China, Communists, Left and libarts, Ayyar or Ayangers.. Sonia and Monia... All wish Modi lead India down...
The first world war was not triggered by any economic collapse. The world economy was at a height. The first world war was caused by imperial rivalry between France and Germany and between imperial Russia vs Austria over the Balkans. Extreme national rivalry is very dangerous.

More spot on about the second world war. The depression of the 1930s as well as Germany obsession over revenge allowed Hitler and Nazis to take power on 1933. Hitler plan for European conquest was clear as day light (he wrote mein kampf in the 20s). However Europe ignored/appeased until too late.

In several ways China is much like imperial Germany before the first world war. They will meet the same fate likely.

Agree with last paragraph.
 

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Probably off topic but correction :
*BRITISH* Indian army...........trained in modern warfare and discipline by the britishers, provided guns and modern weapons by the britishers, battle plans and tactics devised by the britishers and LEAD by british officers in battle all the while British were looting the land of same british Indian army soldiers.
Basically they used subcontinent people to fight the subcontinent people and occupied and looted whole subcontinent and beyond.

Also Indian warriors were too unorganized or undisciplined by themselves to ever conquer or even think of far off lands, but under the banner/leadership/training of British Indian army they wrecked the whole middle east, same middle east whose attacks started on us around 7th-8th century and different vibrant hindu cultures stretched till afghanistan. Not even once we thought of giving it back.
Wrong Sir.

It was called "Indian Army" Only/ After 1903 following Kitchener's reforms the term used were:
  • The Indian Army was "the force recruited locally and permanently based in India, together with its expatriate British officers.
  • The British Army in India consisted of British Army units posted to India for a tour of duty, and which would then be posted to other parts of the Empire or back to the UK.
  • The Army of India consisted of both the Indian Army and the British Army in India.
# Let me tell you that the Indian Army as also The British Army in India was paid out of Govt of India budgets, their guns, weapons, artillery everything was paid out of the taxes and revenues the British levied on poor Indians... British themselves paid zilch.

# being soldiers was a profession and all those who entered India including Greeks and all Muslim Armies had very large portions of Indian as soldiers.

# Please do not apply today's standards of Nationalism and patriotism on those soldiers who belonged to particular geography but not to any nations. They did not even consider any Hindu, Mughals or Nawabs as their rulers and freely fought them. Indian Army had a majority of Muslim soldiers some of whom fought against Pathans tribesmen of NW Frontier throughout their lives. However, the British were wise not to use soldiers with strong affinities against their Communities. Gurkhas were not used against Nepal and Sikhs against Sikh rulers.

What was taken away from Indians was the leadership. Muslims also did the same. Officers were always Muslims in Muslim times and Britishers in British time. That is one of the greatest reasons why Indian Military leadership classes or castes virtually declined leading to degradation of nations or say subcontinent's military capabilities.

# Your assumptions are also wrong that Indian warriors were incapable of organizing themselves. Armies (I say again armies) do not organize themselves without a symbol and state. Indians warrior when under Sikh state and under Maratha state did wonders and succeeded in carving big kingdoms. Look at the great warrior Army of Maharana Pratap. Look the great Armies in South that kept the dutch and Portuguese at bay. You must also be made aware that the British faced one of the worst battles of their lives against native armies during and post rebellion battles. They were on the verge of losing...

# Indian Army not only trampled the Europe, entire Middle East and North Afrika but entire SE Asia to include with Singapore and Burma.

Self-assessment is welcome, self hatred is suicidal. Knowledge is the key to mental liberation.
 

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What will happen now ? Will india loose Ladakh also ?
Oh, did you not know? China already controls JNU. along with Pakistan.


So, in Middle of the Covid crisis, you think, Chinese will start a war with India?

Where do these guys come from? I mean, honestly, they have no understanding of the Indian Psyche.. Do they think such things scare us?

THE STRAITS OF MALACCA.. Get that straight.

Ok, One more thing.. We also have an airforce. That can pulverise all the artillery way beyond the range of any artillery they have. They cant bring SAMs to this location. Game over..

Someone, is really stupid to push MMRCA at the time of a skirmish. Just as Balakot killed all F-16 chances. This will kill some other sale.. Dont do that please.
 
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