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The LAC is not really where the real action is.

This is mostly about Hong Kong. The CCP is basically taking over Hong Kong as this debate rages on. In all likelihood, this was a warning to India on matters related to Hong Kong and Taiwan. I’m sure this will not stop there.

Once they are done with Taiwan and Hong Kong, they will turn their attention to Sikkim and AP.
 

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The LAC is not really where the real action is.

This is mostly about Hong Kong. The CCP is basically taking over Hong Kong as this debate rages on. In all likelihood, this was a warning to India on matters related to Hong Kong and Taiwan. I’m sure this will not stop there.

Once they are done with Taiwan and Hong Kong, they will turn their attention to Sikkim and AP.
If there was any other administration in power right now, especially those of the BUSH’s, they would have mulled over punitive actions on the CCP. I’m sure they would love to have a Soviet Union style breakdown of the CCP.

Trump and his admin has proved time and again that they cannot be relied on for national security issues. From the Kurds to Hong Kong.
 

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China's first domestically developed unmanned helicopter focused on plateau operations recently made its maiden flight. Capable of conducting missions including reconnaissance, communication relay, electronic disruption and fire strike at high altitude, this versatile and easy-to-operate drone could help safeguard China's southwestern borders with India, analysts said on Sunday.

The AR500C unmanned helicopter, developed by the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), on Wednesday successfully made its maiden flight at an AVIC base in Poyang, East China's Jiangxi Province, in which it conducted several maneuvers including hovering, horizontal and vertical moves, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Saturday.

Its main missions include reconnaissance and communication relay, but when equipped with additional devices, it can also run electronic disruption, target indication, fire strike, cargo delivery and nuclear radiation and chemical contamination reconnaissance, according to an AVIC statement.

As China's first unmanned helicopter designed to fly in plateau areas, the AR500C can take off at an elevation of 5,000 meters and has a ceiling of 6,700 meters. It has an endurance of five hours, maximum speed of 170 kilometers an hour and a maximum takeoff weight of 500 kilograms.

Highly digitalized and intelligent, it can take off, land and hover automatically and is installed with a number of advanced flight programs for efficient and safe flights.

"We utilize advanced aerodynamic design for the rotors. Since the power of the engine will drop significantly on plateaus, we use China's most advanced engine," Fang Yonghong, technology director at AVIC's helicopter branch, said on CCTV, noting the unmanned helicopter can be easily controlled via a keyboard and a screen.

Compared to a traditional fixed-wing drone, a drone helicopter does not require a large airstrip with long runways, making it more flexible to deploy, Chinese air defense expert Fu Qianshao told the Global Times on Sunday.

The maiden flight of the AR500C marked a significant technological breakthrough in fields such as rotor and engine design, Fu said, noting the thin air on plateaus usually makes it difficult for aircraft to fly.

The test flight of the AR500C came at a time when China-India border tensions have been flaring up, as Chinese border defense troops have bolstered border control measures and made necessary moves in response to India's recent, illegal construction of defense facilities across the border into Chinese territory in the Galwan Valley region.

An unmanned helicopter like the AR500C can help in missions in the high elevation border areas if commissioned into the Chinese military in the future, as it can keep a watchful eye on the skies for extended periods and patrol locations that are difficult for infantry troops to reach on foot, analysts said.

AVIC is also developing other types of unmanned helicopters including the AV500 and its armed reconnaissance variant AV500W. Some of them can also reach plateaus, but cannot go as high as the AR500C.

The Chinese military operates the Z-8G, China's first large transport helicopter with a focus on plateau operations. It can take off from 4,500 meters above sea level and has a ceiling of more than 6,000 meters and lift troops and supplies to high-altitude areas.
 

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I am talking about comprehensive national power here. China is far ahead of India right now. If the war drags on for more than a month, without India making significant gains, then China's edge in manufacturing and India's relative weakness in armaments manufacturing will start tilting the balance in favour of China( Assuming no third party involvement) . That is why we need to be sharp and prepared..
If the war gets that big, there's no point in speculating about 0 third party involvement. Check out this thread by Falcon/Hellfire:




Especially this tweet:


"7. But expansion of skirmish by PRC unlikely as, contrary to popular opinion, US, UK, France will be quick to enter the fray on India's behalf (indirectly for sure, possibly directly). Thus, China will want to avoid at all costs."


 

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THREAD: Over the coming days and weeks, we are likely to see a lot of idle speculation about what is going on in the China-India border region.

Here are 5 QUESTIONS that people should be asking themselves as they consume and analyze reports. 1/18 https://t.co/VJ101AGD1S


A good thread
 

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Pampering of China, injustice to Taiwan must end

No invitation to Taiwan for the WHA meeting was a foregone conclusion with DG WHO loyal to Beijing. The probe into the origin of COVID-19 may peter out with China having destroyed the evidence in Wuhan, writes Lt Gen P. C. Katoch (retd) for South Asia Monitor
By Lt Gen Prakash Katoch (retd) May 24, 2020

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Despite the majority world acknowledging Taiwan’s sterling performance in combating COVID-19 and support for inclusion in the World Health Assembly (WHA) deliberations for useful contributions in chalking out global response to fight the virus, Taiwan was not invited. This was anticipated with Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director-General World Health Organisation (WHO) playing China’s stooge. Tedros fully backed China’s virus-related actions. This too was expected because he had to cover his own fault in delaying declaring the pandemic causing thousands of avoidable casualties in countries without advance warning.

At the WHA, Chinese President Xi Jinping spoke of complete transparency and providing financial support to WHO and countries fighting COVID-19. He submitted to an international probe into the origin of COVID-19 demanded by over 60 nations but with the cliché “China supports review when the crisis is over” – when would it be over? Xi had earlier admitted that “initial samples” of the virus were destroyed fearing leak – read all evidence in Wuhan’s P4 lab is destroyed after PLA took control in January. This obviously was after China banned travel by even bus into or out of its major cities but encouraged international flights to seed the virus abroad. Under a global scanner, Xi chaired a Politburo meet and revised COVID-19 casualties figures of China, but these too appear false with recent database leak from the National University of Defense Technology in Changsha City revealing 640,000 infected cases (instead of 84,000 reported officially) in 230 cities giving locations.

Republic of China (Taiwan) was a founding member of the United Nations established on October 24, 1945, and held the seat of what is now with Peoples Republic of China (PRC) China on the Security Council and other UN bodies as late as 1971. In fact, UN Resolution 505 passed on February 1, 1952, judged Chinese communists rebels against Taiwan. But Taiwan was expelled from UNSC and other UN bodies under Resolution 2758 passed on October 25, 1971, at the behest of the Peoples Republic of China and replaced by the latter. China was permitted despite invading and annexing Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia, 45 million Chinese killed in Mao’s Great Leap (1958-1962) and China’s ongoing Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) that eventually killed 20 million Chinese.

Where was the morality of nuclear power countries like the US, USSR, France, and the UK in expelling Taiwan, which was the founding member of the UN and active UN member for 26 years? Even if China was to be admitted, there was no reason to expel Taiwan from the UN. USSR remained mum despite China engaging Soviet Russia in a seven-month war since March 1969 and thereafter China’s anti-Soviet activities by the ‘Gang of Four’ under Mao’s tutelage. Ironically, America too facilitated China- Taiwan switch in UN because Nixon-Kissinger was cozying up to Beijing, the upshot of which the US reaps now with China’s biological attack. Nixon even believed Mao’s 1972 assurance that China will not attack Taiwan. Readmitting Taiwan in the UN as a full member will be righting this wrong overruling China’s objections.
No invitation to Taiwan for the WHA meeting was a foregone conclusion with DG WHO loyal to Beijing. The probe into the origin of COVID-19 may peter out with China having destroyed the evidence in Wuhan. But the wrong done to Taiwan in expelling it from the United Nations in 1971 without a whimper from nuclear-power countries like the US, USSR, France, and the UK needs to be reversed. The P-5 right to veto too requires serious debate by UNGA since its primary aim to promote international stability has miserably failed.

The veto power for permanent UNSC members came about when P-5 (China, France, Russia, the UK, and the US) insisted without veto there can be no charter for the UN. The main aim behind the veto was unity for promoting international stability. But behind this was the aim of big powers to protect their own sovereign rights and individual national interests. Latter has unfortunately taken precedence. International stability is passé with no UN approval or unity required to invade/attack another country. Big powers continue to attack at will and use proxy forces indiscriminately. The UN is ineffective in stopping the war, ruling on war crimes, and mostly useless against even notable human rights abuses by big powers and by countries under their wings for strategic reasons. In addition, UN bodies are prone to infiltration by radicals and some officials susceptible to bribes. This has increased the ineffectiveness of the UN.
How does the world deal with a P-5 gone rogue? Take for example China, who may go scot-free despite initiating WW III with the biological attack. China has no respect for the territory and it developed Pakistan and Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) as its nuclear proxies while big powers looked away. China claims ownership of islands in the South China Sea and Senkaku Islands and is adopting aggressive postures despite protests from Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, and other countries. China is indulging in violence at sea in the waters of others and is demonstratively practicing invasion of Taiwan. China is in illegal occupation of large tracts of Indian territory, claims more, and is muscle-flexing against India.

China recently claimed Mount Everest and surrounding areas in Nepal, while its state-run media claims Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan as Chinese territory. Professor Zheng Qiang of ZIU University is teaching students that East Turkestan (in Kazakhstan) and Tibet (occupied by China) are crucial for Chinese to be rich in the next 100 years and losing control means losing China’s future. China’s nefarious designs and territorial greed is clearly expanding, as visible from the Belt and Road Initiative, territorial muscle-flexing, and post COVID-19 economic and threats to multiple countries. China has now put the city of Shulan under Wuhan-style lockdown after fresh COVID-19 cases. This could be because of the P-4 leak in December 2019 or considering China’s ambiguity and deceit perhaps a ruse post the WHA meet to deflect China’s culpability in originating COVID-19. UNGA needs to seriously debate the issue of veto and its misuse
 

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Self-assessment is welcome, self hatred is suicidal. Knowledge is the key to mental liberation.
Actually i did self assessment and its spot on, while you spinned things, worthless self boasting has been actually as a historical fact suicidal, that's why self assessment is required not ego satisfaction,

All those victories goes to british empire not INDIAN empire.
I didn't talk about gun/weapon economics, i talked about modern weapons technology,industrial base, tactics and discipline which British introduced and the planning and leadership by British officers in battles.
Your assumptions are also wrong that Indian warriors were incapable of organizing themselves. Armies (I say again armies) do not organize themselves without a symbol and state. Indians warrior when under Sikh state and under Maratha state did wonders and succeeded in carving big kingdoms. Look at the great warrior Army of Maharana Pratap.
Yep, i looked at all of them and found out outdated tactics and no gains/conquests of any kind and incapable to put on a organized front against onslaught and DEFEATS.

Maharana LOST as simple as that, he was brave and all but he did not win, also its mewar he fought for my contention was organized front for INDIA, also what about afghan hindu kingdom or todays Pakistan or Delhi or UP, why only boast about deserts of rajasthan ?
If rajasthan was green like UP, Bihar it would have the same fate as Delhi.

Maratha empire or Maratha confederacy, ok here we have innovative guerilla tactics but comparatively short lived came too late, again became too unorganised and egoistic towards the end.
Also even in maratha empire territories were still under muslim nawabs, they just accepted maratha supermacy so on ground for Indians jehadi atrocities continued and they weren't free.

Sikh empire again came too late truly rose in power vaccum post maratha-afghan war in which both armies destroyed each other, maratha empire was never the same again.
Sikh empire came into being due to brutal atrocities of jehadis, by the time it became powerful, even more modern, disciplined colonialist powers had started coming to India.

My point still stands they couldn't even think of conquest outside India until/unless they were lead there by Britishers.
However, the British were wise not to use soldiers with strong affinities against their Communities. Gurkhas were not used against Nepal and Sikhs against Sikh rulers.
That's literally what i said "they used subcontinent people to conquer subcontinent" and somehow people boast about it.

Indian Army not only trampled the Europe, entire Middle East and North Afrika but entire SE Asia to include with Singapore and Burma.
No, British Indian army trained by Britishers, transported there in British navy boats, using guns, ammo, artillery developed by British technology, lead by British officers and battles plans and tactics devised by Britishers, Indians just took Orders of there colonial masters and not to mention fighting BRITISH WAR not Indian war.
I mean how can they conquer Europe when they themselves were already conquered and not free?

Let me trigger you a little they were slave soldiers who followed their colonial masters order to fight into a battle which wasn't there's.
I never said they weren't Brave, if that's what you are confusing.

1000 years is a long time for such a Huge population to be under foreigners, yet we failed to evolve and organise ourselves to free our land, let alone conquering outside India, and people rather than SELF ASSESSMENT keep on boasting.
It kind of still plagues us in modern history.
 

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Dhoti shviering :confused1:

👉 Its ground reality only to be affirmed by our GOI.
  • You cannot ignore and Shud things, just because you are comfortable.
  • I am waiting for the GOI or MoD report on it. Or we might not get any because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
👉 Being nationalistic is A OK, but putting blind faith isn't.
👉 What make us different than CCP trolls?

I'll take different angles to a situation, than retorting to BS like "Dhoti Shivering" any day.

Post balakot incident, we failed on EW and BVR front.
  • IAF is now seeking BVR armament.
  • IAF is now seeking EW equipment's.
:playball:
I remember in an discussion here few years ago, a point came up that, Pakistan might count on BVR as pak fighter jets are inferior in dogfight. And we lack long range missiles.
 

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1987 Sino-Indian Skirmish LESSONS FROM THE PAST.

A lesser known skirmish between Chinese and Indian Soldiers took place at Sumdrong Chu valley where Indians gained an upper hand and secured a strategic location. This angers the Chinese even today. India strengthened it's defence positions during this stand off securing Tawang an important town in the state of Arunachal Pradesh. Even today when meetings happen between Indian and Chinese officials for resolving border disputes, The Chinese desparately ask for control over Tawang.

Chinese harrassment to it's neighbours isn't new. It is an old strategy having it's origins in Sun Tzu’s art of war. The Art of War talks about demoralising enemy's will to fight a war and making him concede defeat in his mind.

Before 1980 Indians never believed that they could ever defend the town of Tawang and military doctrines stated that in an event of war with the Chinese. Indian Army would abandon Tawang and prepare for battle at the Se La pass to its east. However after some review Indian strategists found that Tawang must be defended at any costs and elaborate surveys were conducted.

In 1986 the new chief of Indian Army General K. Sundarji wanted to put plans made by his predecessors into action. He sought permission to conduct ‘operation chequerboard’ to see how quickly troops based in the Assam plains could take up their positions on the Sino-Indian border. As part of the exercise, towards the end of the year, the army landed a brigade of troops at Zimithaung, south of Hathung La using its new heavy lift Mi-26 helicopters. The airlift took place between 18 and 20 October 1986, the dates fraught in Indian history as they marked the beginning of the Sino-Indian war 24 years earlier in this very sector. They took up positions on Hathung La ridge overlooking Sumdorong Chu along with three other key mountain features.

These forces occupied the Hathung La, across the Namka Chu from Thag La. All this alarmed the Chinese forces in the region; they responded with alacrity and moved up their forces to take up positions all along the LAC. At points near this area—Sulu La, Bum La, etc. the chinese troops were now face to face with their Indian counterparts. The Chinese believed that this time India is determined to cause a major clash and take up important locations from them. India now enjoys geographical advantage over the Chinese in that entire region which is also a trip junction point in borders of China, India and Bhutan.

All this happened during 1986-1987. In early 1987 China’s psychological warfare and media propaganda already took tones of war and India having it's troops prepared in an elaborate manner was able to put a strong show of strength in front of Chinese, successfully securing strategic locations. The fast response from Indian side put Chinese in a state of shock which was clearly evident from the language used by them. The Chinese spoke the language that they won't shy away from armed conflict to take back strategic locations from India. To deescalate this situation India’s foreign minister ND Tiwari visited Beijing and conveyed that there was no intention on New Delhi's part to aggravate the situation. This resulted into India maintaining advantageous positions in Arunachal Pradesh till date.
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I highly doubt, this aggression is done by China, i think is BJP trying to to catch 22 game with china to see how far they can play the game, when China is weak ( covid, taiwan, hongkong, US hovering over all south china sea), This is perfect timing to annex POK, given the fact India has already heavily activated the Balochistan. Pakistan military and politician PM giving Indian threat warning to World.
1. US will keep china engage in south china sea for next couple of month. at this time China cant engage India heavily on border side.
2. Pakistan is at weakest and divided point in OIC (India got the right Muslim party back)
3. Financially Pak is broken
4. World recession has started, no more FDI coming to india for next few year due to recession, hence risk of war making economy impact is at lowest.

All stars are aligned at this time. I think Amit Shah will be give another quick surprise to world this time. I think a large and strategic part of PoK will be annsexed soon.

All China LAC is just the front face, while actual war planning is on western border happening in the background.
 

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Actually i did self assessment and its spot on, while you spinned things, worthless self boasting has been actually as a historical fact suicidal, that's why self assessment is required not ego satisfaction,

All those victories goes to british empire not INDIAN empire.
I didn't talk about gun/weapon economics, i talked about modern weapons technology,industrial base, tactics and discipline which British introduced and the planning and leadership by British officers in battles.

Yep, i looked at all of them and found out outdated tactics and no gains/conquests of any kind and incapable to put on a organized front against onslaught and DEFEATS.

Maharana LOST as simple as that, he was brave and all but he did not win, also its mewar he fought for my contention was organized front for INDIA, also what about afghan hindu kingdom or todays Pakistan or Delhi or UP, why only boast about deserts of rajasthan ?
If rajasthan was green like UP, Bihar it would have the same fate as Delhi.

Maratha empire or Maratha confederacy, ok here we have innovative guerilla tactics but comparatively short lived came too late, again became too unorganised and egoistic towards the end.
Also even in maratha empire territories were still under muslim nawabs, they just accepted maratha supermacy so on ground for Indians jehadi atrocities continued and they weren't free.

Sikh empire again came too late truly rose in power vaccum post maratha-afghan war in which both armies destroyed each other, maratha empire was never the same again.
Sikh empire came into being due to brutal atrocities of jehadis, by the time it became powerful, even more modern, disciplined colonialist powers had started coming to India.

My point still stands they couldn't even think of conquest outside India until/unless they were lead there by Britishers.

That's literally what i said "they used subcontinent people to conquer subcontinent" and somehow people boast about it.


No, British Indian army trained by Britishers, transported there in British navy boats, using guns, ammo, artillery developed by British technology, lead by British officers and battles plans and tactics devised by Britishers, Indians just took Orders of there colonial masters and not to mention fighting BRITISH WAR not Indian war.
I mean how can they conquer Europe when they themselves were already conquered and not free?

Let me trigger you a little they were slave soldiers who followed their colonial masters order to fight into a battle which wasn't there's.
I never said they weren't Brave, if that's what you are confusing.

1000 years is a long time for such a Huge population to be under foreigners, yet we failed to evolve and organise ourselves to free our land, let alone conquering outside India, and people rather than SELF ASSESSMENT keep on boasting.
It kind of still plagues us in modern history.
You are most welcome to sing glory of that British Industrial revolution which remained in shelves and could have never kick-started but for looted Indian money and wealth with or without modern technology and guns..

Ah ! India did have 1/3 of world's wealth with it when the British came in without British organization, tactics, weapons, guns and leadership.... and that leadership left India one of the poorest nations...

You might be an admirer of such superior human civilizational values, not me sir. Winning others, enslaving people, great military powered empires had never been the civilizational goals of the orient. Using Indians against Indians continues to be the fulcrum of all foreign tactics even in the present time. Why curse the past generation for it. Think of how good you are today..

I again repeat self-hate is suicidal....
 
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I highly doubt, this aggression is done by China, i think is BJP trying to to catch 22 game with china to see how far they can play the game, when China is weak ( covid, taiwan, hongkong, US hovering over all south china sea), This is perfect timing to annex POK, given the fact India has already heavily activated the Balochistan. Pakistan military and politician PM giving Indian threat warning to World.
1. US will keep china engage in south china sea for next couple of month. at this time China cant engage India heavily on border side.
2. Pakistan is at weakest and divided point in OIC (India got the right Muslim party back)
3. Financially Pak is broken
4. World recession has started, no more FDI coming to india for next few year due to recession, hence risk of war making economy impact is at lowest.

All stars are aligned at this time. I think Amit Shah will be give another quick surprise to world this time. I think a large and strategic part of PoK will be annsexed soon.

All China LAC is just the front face, while actual war planning is on the western border happening in the background.
The annexation of POK and GB and dismemberment of Pakistan is a non avoidable project for the welfare of Indian subcontinent where Islamic Fundamentalism and Political Islam has become the major threat for the integrity of all the nations in the subcontinent due to their philosophy of rejection of peaceful co-existence.

Pakistan is the symbol of victory of the Deobandi project of the continuance of Darul ul Harb or Islamic wars in the Indian subcontinent. Unless Pakistan is brought to pathetic dismemberment, Islamic trends of exclusivity, domination, violence, noncooperation and non peaceful adjustment with others will continue.
The subcontinent can only prosper and come to terms with itself only when Islam finds a solution to its problems either by destroying others or getting decimated.. adjustment is contrary to the basic philosophy of Islam.
 

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The annexation of POK and GB and dismemberment of Pakistan is a non avoidable project for the welfare of Indian subcontinent where Islamic Fundamentalism and Political Islam has become the major threat for the integrity of all the nations in the subcontinent due to their philosophy of rejection of peaceful co-existence.

Pakistan is the symbol of victory of the Deobandi project of the continuance of Darul ul Harb or Islamic wars in the Indian subcontinent. Unless Pakistan is brought to pathetic dismemberment, Islamic trends of exclusivity, domination, violence, noncooperation and non peaceful adjustment with others will continue.
The subcontinent can only prosper and come to terms with itself only when Islam finds a solution to its problems either by destroying others or getting decimated.. adjustment is contrary to the basic philosophy of Islam.
Ok. So what do you think we do after their annexation? Integrate that entire population With India ? Is that what we plan to do?
 

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Wrong Sir.

It was called "Indian Army" Only/ After 1903 following Kitchener's reforms the term used were:
  • The Indian Army was "the force recruited locally and permanently based in India, together with its expatriate British officers.
  • The British Army in India consisted of British Army units posted to India for a tour of duty, and which would then be posted to other parts of the Empire or back to the UK.
  • The Army of India consisted of both the Indian Army and the British Army in India.
# Let me tell you that the Indian Army as also The British Army in India was paid out of Govt of India budgets, their guns, weapons, artillery everything was paid out of the taxes and revenues the British levied on poor Indians... British themselves paid zilch.

# being soldiers was a profession and all those who entered India including Greeks and all Muslim Armies had very large portions of Indian as soldiers.

# Please do not apply today's standards of Nationalism and patriotism on those soldiers who belonged to particular geography but not to any nations. They did not even consider any Hindu, Mughals or Nawabs as their rulers and freely fought them. Indian Army had a majority of Muslim soldiers some of whom fought against Pathans tribesmen of NW Frontier throughout their lives. However, the British were wise not to use soldiers with strong affinities against their Communities. Gurkhas were not used against Nepal and Sikhs against Sikh rulers.

What was taken away from Indians was the leadership. Muslims also did the same. Officers were always Muslims in Muslim times and Britishers in British time. That is one of the greatest reasons why Indian Military leadership classes or castes virtually declined leading to degradation of nations or say subcontinent's military capabilities.

# Your assumptions are also wrong that Indian warriors were incapable of organizing themselves. Armies (I say again armies) do not organize themselves without a symbol and state. Indians warrior when under Sikh state and under Maratha state did wonders and succeeded in carving big kingdoms. Look at the great warrior Army of Maharana Pratap. Look the great Armies in South that kept the dutch and Portuguese at bay. You must also be made aware that the British faced one of the worst battles of their lives against native armies during and post rebellion battles. They were on the verge of losing...

# Indian Army not only trampled the Europe, entire Middle East and North Afrika but entire SE Asia to include with Singapore and Burma.

Self-assessment is welcome, self hatred is suicidal. Knowledge is the key to mental liberation.
Indian army under British colonial rule was perfect indian civilian killing machine.
in British Indian Army was the principal military of the British Indian Empire before its decommissioning in 1947. It was after 1947 that indian army for republic of india existed before that they were serving interest of foreign powers for money and pension.
They ruthlessly slaughtered lakhs of local people.
Even in jaliyanwalabagh it was indian army which killed people at shoot at sight order.
Anyway who cares if we paid them technically the goal of British empire was to milk resources out of isn't it and there was no sovereign government of india. Every tax which was collated it was collected in the name viceroy of india nothing was indian in it only blood was Indian.

Technically when Indian people were dying from hunger in bengal we were paying for ww2.
And indiq provided one of the highest number of soldiers and raw materials to foreign nations.
It was army of particularly slaves and coolies which was idiotically taken to fight war on behalf of their vicorey.

Why Indian's can't stop glorifying that indian killing machine of colonial era. ✋

Governments knows this that's why we don't celebrate victory day and BS.
 
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Ok. So what do you think we do after their annexation? Integrate that entire population With India ? Is that what we plan to do?
Give me options .... Not that the issue can not be resolved... The problem of the population is in India first. What do you do with 34 Crore Muslims ? If we are bound to manage them then why not some more?
 

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You are most welcome to sing glory of that British Industrial revolution which remained in shelves and could have never kick-started but for looted Indian money and wealth with or without modern technology and guns..

Ah ! India did have 1/3 of world's wealth with it when the British came in without British organization, tactics, weapons, guns and leadership.... and that leadership left India one of the poorest nations...

You might be an admirer of such superior human civilizational values, not me sir. Winning others, enslaving people, great military powered empires had never been the civilizational goals of the orient. Using Indians against Indians continues to be the fulcrum of all foreign tactics even in the present time. Why curse the past generation for it. Think of how good you are today..

I again repeat self-hate is suicidal....

When ever I encountered Westernerss in various platforms I realised that they are stupids , I have no idea how these idiots managed to get this much progress in technology ? I found that it all because of money looted from India , and other colonies. German's used our ancient knowledge in great way to produce superior Weapons latter these tech gone into Various western countries .

And they have discipline and work culture
 

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Ok. So what do you think we do after their annexation? Integrate that entire population With India ? Is that what we plan to do?

Annexing pok will gave us more headache . More Money need. Spend on them . Annexing pok is not profitable for us now .
 
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