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utubekhiladi

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This is saddest part about my countrymen. My youth.
I am sure you are younger than me. We thought you guys will be better version.
Why are u stuck to pappu or feku. There are many more people infect more tha 130 crore.
We should find more leader.why boot licking. What has your modi done for nation which deva pakoda , man gohan sing or gurjaal didn't .

Just keep defence away. You guys can sing songs of praise. Let the professional handle it. Ye hawai pakode aur jhoole aur laal ankh politics is joke to our nation.
boomers!. we will stick to either papu or feku. because thats our choice and its our decision. you don't have to like our decision. if you are really interested please initiate a new thread like i asked u in previous post and we will be happy to discuss what modi have done vs what others have done.

unlike yesterdays boomers, todays millennial are professionals and you can't keep them away from defense. its you who needs to sing song of praise
 

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@duhastmish Ever heard of a word called "clueless"? You are expressing same vague statements of those of WhatsApp level, better interpretation may be after being throughout forum.

Criticism with real points rather than thin air blabs is there from better members. Just comment if you know anything, if you don't, not needed at all.

Reason being that's going to irritate many members to jump on you.
@utubekhiladi better stop feeding him now.
 

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You think before 2015 our defence was nothing we never raided . We had banana army.
Truth is right now we have most dark stage of defence forces . If you are here you must already know we lost some land to Chinese.
We had problem replying even paki. We have lost Russia and American can never be ours.
Tum log karo boot licking. I am going off. Ciao bhai.
Refer to Indian military procurement threads. Might have a better insight.
 

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Too much nonsense is being talked about Indian response, the recent moves of Nepalese actions are to target a irrational response from India.
The larger picture is totally different.

India will not compromise on its territories , we will claim our territories at the time of our choosing.
Chinese are making themselves as fools infront of the world with their moves in the Himalayas.
Militarily we are matching man to man and equipment to equipment. The confrontation suits us as we decrease the imports and restructure our economy as the world responds to the Covid biowar from Wuhan.
The idea is to restructure the economy and restart the economic engine by forming partnerships. India is doing it as we speak.

Nepal is seen as little brother from India perspective. Nepalese communists will be exposed and will be dealt by their own people.
 

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So, they think like Sawhney guy.. And that Modi and BJP are eager to commit political suicide..
Modi, Shah & Doval have repeatedly proved themselves to get things done quietly.
Even with China, that will be case.

All will be quiet & these guys will do what needs to be done.

I trust these 3 to handle this than anyone alive in India.
 

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So chicoms are either using Ladakh as a diversion to strike Taiwan, or vice versa (Taiwan as a diversion to strike Ladakh). If striking Taiwan becomes tactically unfeasible, pooh would want a consolation prize (Ladakh). So India needs to scale up its deployment across the entire frontier.

By Taiwan, if not the main island, at least Kinmen (ROC-controlled island a stone's throw away from PRC-controlled Xiamen).

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just curious, i know we will and continue to build 2xlane road near oldie area. are there any plans for railway link? a toy train as that of ooty and shimla will ferry tourist and also cargo and passenger loads for armed forces
Actually The Koi Hai Tomy boys left India in 1947. The Italian are yet to fully take over. Summer resorts now popularised by Indian brats have Royal Enfield. Pulsar and other fancy toys such as Stanley - no toy trains because Kalu Mem Sahabs still value their virginity. Khardungla. Rohtang, Harsil, Har Ki Dun. Kinnaur have become new summer resorts. Sela and Lachen / Lachung are just waking up.. Darjiling is passe...

Indian Railways has been to the Valley. will soon take you to Rajouri. Karnaprayag and Bilaspur. HP has emerged as the main link to Ladakh. Some mercy to that willy Musharraf. The Nehru appointed Royal Family of Seikh can keep waiting in Kashmir for the Chinese to come and give them 5G. Chinese by now must have developed taste for Kashmiri things being in POK. They can take and will take that route kind courtesy The Indian Czar named Red Jawahar.

Toy train background and Bhatiyali composition songs of Aaradhan are a thing of past.... I hope you live in this era.
 
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So chicoms are either using Ladakh as a diversion to strike Taiwan, or vice versa (Taiwan as a diversion to strike Ladakh). If striking Taiwan becomes tactically unfeasible, pooh would want a consolation prize (Ladakh). So India needs to scale up its deployment across the entire frontier.

By Taiwan, if not the main island, at least Kinmen (ROC-controlled island a stone's throw away from PRC-controlled Xiamen).

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Well, a diversionary Pepe of the morning..

Diversionary for ether or Ladak - Taiwan... ??

I thought diversion is directed at one force .. unless you mean USPACOM will be directed to Ladakh instead of Taiwan..
Only Chinese can think so....:pound:
 

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China is going the way of Germany in second world war. It may fight on multiple fronts simultaneously.

All events around China are linked by one thread - China going in for coveted superpower status in a time of pandemic as it perceives USA as compromised.
 

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So chicoms are either using Ladakh as a diversion to strike Taiwan, or vice versa (Taiwan as a diversion to strike Ladakh). If striking Taiwan becomes tactically unfeasible, pooh would want a consolation prize (Ladakh). So India needs to scale up its deployment across the entire frontier.

By Taiwan, if not the main island, at least Kinmen (ROC-controlled island a stone's throw away from PRC-controlled Xiamen).

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Plus we see some movement on japanese side and Tajikistan too
Too much expansionist behaviour dragon has sought to have beyond its fengshui
 

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About 198 ITBP constables turn Corona positive .... Chinese effects on ITBP from all sides..
 

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China is going the way of Germany in second world war. It may fight on multiple fronts simultaneously.

All events around China are linked by one thread - China going in for coveted superpower status in a time of pandemic as it perceives USA as compromised.
Nah, the Chinese have no such capacity. The threat to India was/is real...take on a large nation and put it in its place and the rest will pipe down. A short conflict with India, geographically limited , suits the Chinese. Which is Why not preparing for this situation borders on criminal negligence.
 
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In crisis, military capability of the two sides drives policy choices
14, 2020, 8:48 PM IST Lt Gen DS Hooda


The India-China standoff has entered its second month, and it appears that we are in for a period of protracted and tough negotiations before we see some real progress. While it is hoped that the crisis can be resolved peacefully, there have also been some discussions on the war fighting strategies and capabilities of the two militaries in the event of a conventional war.

These discussions range from a two-front threat in Ladakh, leading to a loss of areas in northern Ladakh and the Siachen Glacier to raising doubts on the ability of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to conduct successful operations owing to a lack of combat experience. This piece attempts a realistic assessment of the development of India’s military strategy and future prospects.

India’s strategy against China has been based on a realistic appraisal of China’s capability to conduct offensive operations along the forbidding terrain of the northern borders. After the 1962 war, India remained defensive against China, and the Line of Actual Control (LAC) was thinly held to guard against any surprise attack. It was only after the Wangdung incident of 1986 that the Indian Army carried out a significant increase in the Indian deployment along the border with China.

One consequence of the Wangdung incident was that it triggered a period of diplomatic rapprochement with the visit of the Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi to Beijing in 1988 and the subsequent signing of various border agreements. However, this period of calm also had an unintended effect. While the Indian soldiers remained deployed along the LAC, infrastructure development was neglected.

In contrast, China carried out massive infrastructure improvements in Tibet, including the operationalisation of the Qinghai-Tibet railway in 2006. It was only in the mid-2000s that India took serious note of the growing mismatch between the two militaries, and a decision was taken to build 73 strategic roads along the LAC. In 2010, two new divisions were raised to strengthen the deployment in Arunachal Pradesh, followed by the raising of the Mountain Strike Corps.

Although shortfalls remain, there has been a change in strategic thinking. Two noted experts, Anit Mukherjee and Yogesh Joshi, have pointed out that the new Indian Army strategy has shifted from “deterrence by denial” to “deterrence by punishment”.

The India Air Force (IAF) has traditionally held an edge over PLA Air Force (PLAAF) as its airfields are located in the plains enabling air operations with full payloads.

PLAAF, operating from high altitude airfields with rudimentary facilities, is forced to operate with reduced payloads. In the last decade, the IAF has shifted its attention to the northern borders. Su-30 aircraft were deployed at the Tezpur airbase in 2009, and Hasimara, in West Bengal, is being readied for Rafale aircraft. There has also been a significant increase in strategic airlift capability with the induction of the C-130, the C-17, and the Chinook helicopters.

The Indian Navy (IN) currently enjoys a huge geographical advantage, and, in conflict, will seek to block the entry of PLA Navy through the narrow straits leading from the South China Sea into the Indian Ocean, and engage in commerce warfare by interdicting Chinese trade. The IN has a good maritime domain awareness capability through its P-8I Poseidons that is now supplemented by Su-30 aircraft armed with the BrahMos missiles in the newly set up squadron based at Thanjavur in Tamil Nadu.
 

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In crisis, military capability of the two sides drives policy choices

If a conventional conflict were to take place today, it would be a realistic assessment that India would hold its own and may even enjoy an edge in the air and maritime domain. However, as we look at the future, two sobering realities confront us. First, the balance of conventional forces is speedily shifting in China’s favour, and second, China’s military capability development is highly focused while India is yet to articulate a national defence strategy.

Backed up by an impressive indigenous industry, China continues to add to its growing inventory of modern aircraft and ships. The PLA Navy has already surpassed the US Navy in the number of battle force ships. It is estimated that a majority of fighter aircraft in the PLAAF will be fourth-generation within the next several years.

Apart from conventional weapons, the PLA created the Strategic Support Force (SSF) in 2016 to centralise cyber, space, electronic, and psychological warfare. The SSF would lead China’s information warfare operations that are considered essential for strategic dominance.

The Indian military is also engaged in a restructuring exercise, but this is driven primarily by the constraints of an inadequate defence budget. As the Air Force struggles with dwindling squadrons and the Navy downsizes its future plans, the Army seems obsessively focused on finding ways to reduce military pensions. Military restructuring decisions are often announced in the media before they have even been internally debated by the service headquarters.

The shape and size of military forces are driven by a realistic evaluation of the threats that nations face and the resolve to meet them. Unfortunately, the government has not undertaken a serious assessment of how future wars will be fought and the force structures required to win. The absence of such an assessment enables the ad hoc allocation of defence budgets without a long-term focus.

The PLA could disengage from the standoff at Ladakh, but that does not signal an end to the India-China strategic rivalry. And it is an unpleasant truth that in a crisis, it is ultimately the military capability of the two sides that drives policy choices. As John. J Mearsheimer, the architect of the ‘offensive realism’ theory, writes, “In international politics, a state’s power is ultimately a function of its military forces and how they compare with the military forces of rival states.” (The writer is former Army Commander, Northern Command
 
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