India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[ninja hattori]

dnt we have the Imran khans statement clip in parliament or gif or meme where he said waha missile laga rakhi hai?

as what paki trolls have got only one statement tea is fantastic.. and his interview..

 

[Assassin 2.0]

 

[another_armchair]

paramilitaries have been created because they are cheaper.

instead how about, creating a brigade sizes rapid action contingent with in ITBP, train these chaps on par with IA. so that they can hold fort till IA comes in.

ITBP is not a paramilitary force.

Babudom will never trust its IPS peers with heavy weaponry. What if there is a small revolt, hain?

Then they will have to call in the Army to deal with the 'mutiny (CISF Bokaro conflict) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CISF_conflict_at_Bokaro

Good number of IA officers joined CISF, ITBP and became its very foundation the forces stand on to this day.

Going forward, it is better to entirely disband ITBP and hand over LAC responsibility to IA. Let them decide what they do with the lay of the land and the situation. ITBP surplus can be absorbed in CRPF, NDRF etc or retired.

Why raise a force only to be humiliated repeatedly by the PLA and for regular internal policing roles? In its present form, ITBP is merely a CRPF++ with additional policing role at LAC.

This buffoonery needs to end and GoI needs to take a call. It is about b****y time.

 

[Bhadra]

paramilitaries have been created because they are cheaper.

instead how about, creating a brigade sizes rapid action contingent with in ITBP, train these chaps on par with IA. so that they can hold fort till IA comes in.

First of all. the post you quoted is not (Not) the role of ITBP but tasks of ITBP. The role of ITBP is the management of LAC along the India China border.

Secondly, they are not Paramilitary they are simply armed police called CAPF.

Thirdly, they are not cheap at all. The cost of maintaining one battalion CAPF is many-fold than the cost of an Infantry battalion. Their Pay. perks and allowances are much better than Army. Most of them are of Bahdur Singh Yadav type who make videos of patali Dal and send those to the PM.

Fourthly, from their recruitment days itself they are never taught to undertake any offensive operations. They are unfit for that task. It would not be fair to ask a 50 year old constable to go and attack and held of them are at 50 plus farting around on posts.

There were even proposals to transfer ITBP personnel of age above 45 to transfer to other CAPFs but the same does not seem to get implemented..

So this force is only a social justice employment scheme...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

wouldn't ITBP involvement in any skirmish/ attacks mean chinese are attacking civilians????

 

[Bhadra]

Additional three divisions means what...

In addition to 12 Divisions that are supposed to go to LAC ??

Ye Bab bhi Na.... Churli Chhodata hai...

 

[Suryavanshi]

wouldn't ITBP involvement in any skirmish/ attacks mean chinese are attacking civilians????

Civilians with militray grade guns?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Civilians with militray grade guns?

are they a military branch?? Even US police force has military grade weaponry but they are
considered civilians not Military. Even reserves ( until activated)are civilians and they have top of the line
weaponry.

 

[fire starter]

 

[Suryavanshi]

are they a military branch?? Even US police force has military grade weaponry but they are
considered civilians not Military.

There us no logic in equating Civilians and Paramilitaries. Anyone that shows up with a gun during war time will get shot even one without any weapons will get shot.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

There us no logic in equating Civilians and Paramilitaries. Anyone that shows up with a gun during war time will get shot even one without any weapons will get shot.

then some voluntary forces can also be utilizied.

 

[hit&run]

This debate has gone past the role and management of ITBP. They did great job protecting our borders and sticking by their duty of care which was guided by the security establishment’s doctrine and threat perception.

No border guard force with any management template can stop a quixotic army on suicidal mission.

Now it is over to Army which has categorically told China-man that they will have to throw them out.

Any discussion on ITBP is futile and waste of thread space.

Again great job ITBP, we are proud of you.

 

[Suryavanshi]

TBH I dont get it why does China want to start shit now of all times when the world is pissed out on them.
Is it the infrastructure development that's bothering them? Maybe they think such war hawk posturings will force the government to move back. If that's what they think then they have failed to understand this government.

 

[Bhadra]

wouldn't ITBP involvement in any skirmish/ attacks mean chinese are attacking civilians????

When you create a force - they create a task for themselves.

I have almost seen the entire stretch of LAC and there is hardly any civilian within 20km of LAC except for a few places such as Chumar. Dumchile, Demchok in Ladakh and Tawang , Dichu -kibithu in Arunachal or Kupup in Sikkim.

However, the graziers do reach LAC even in Uttarakhand and Himachal and when near the LAC or across LAC the PLA drives them out. There hardly any skirmish but both sides uses grazing rights as claims to territory.

Dumchele and Demchok were the only two places in the 60 years of history LAC where civilian affair was a matter of dispute.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

TBH I dont get it why does China want to start shit now of all times when the world is pissed out on them.
Is it the infrastructure development that's bothering them? Maybe they think such war hawk posturings will force the government to move back. If that's what they think then they have failed to understand this government.

many reasons the main one they don't want India to rise. They know their
story is over and they cannot accept it. They have been doing everything they can
for decades to prevent investments in India and humiliate India in all the
different international arenas. They don't feel the world is big enough for two
big economic centers and military powers in Asia .

 

[ezsasa]

First of all. the post you quoted is not (Not) the role of ITBP but tasks of ITBP. The role of ITBP is the management of LAC along the India China border.
Secondly, they are not Paramilitary they are simply armed police called CAPF.
Thirdly, they are not cheap at all. The cost of maintaining one battalion CAPF is many-fold than the cost of an Infantry battalion. Their Pay. perks and allowances are much better than Army. Most of them are of Bahdur Singh Yadav type who make videos of patali Dal and send those to the PM.

From their recruitment days itself they are never taught to undertake any offensive operations. They are unfit for that task. It would not be fair to ask a 50 year old constable to go and attack and held of them are at 50 plus farting around on posts.

There were even proposals to transfer ITBP personnel of age above 45 to transfer to other CAPFs but the same does not seem to get implemented..

So this force is only a social justice employment scheme...

these are the budget numbers I could find.

ITBP -~90000 posts - ~ 6500 Crores
CRPF-~313000 posts - ~26000 Crores
Indian army -~1230000 - ~179000 Crores

Please share Salary cost comparison data across ITBP/CRPF/IA, if you have any. want to check if indeed cost of deployment of ITBP is higher.

 

[Bhadra]

This debate has gone past the role and management of ITBP. They did great job protecting our borders and sticking by their duty of care which was guided by the security establishment’s doctrine and threat perception.

No border guard force with any management template can stop a quixotic army on suicidal mission.

Now it is over to Army which has categorically told China-man that they will have to throw them out.

Any discussion on ITBP is futile and waste of thread space.

Again great job ITBP, we are proud of you.

Yes why not ... great job.. keep gifting our territory to the Chinese and keep getting our great army soldiers killed ...
If that was the job ... it is well done....
Those who get killed have all rights to speak about it... you can go to hell..

 

[Suryavanshi]

these are the budget numbers I could find.

ITBP -~90000 posts - ~ 6500 Crores
CRPF-~313000 posts - ~26000 Crores
Indian army -~1230000 - ~179000 Crores

Please share Salary cost comparison data across ITBP/CRPF/IA, if you have any. want to check if indeed cost of deployment of ITBP is higher.

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[Suryavanshi]

Source please....

I don't have the latest figure but this is 2015 to 2016
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/AAG%2015-16_02052017_0.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjj-KiK-fnpAhVR4jgGHbPND-4QFjAIegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0uEqOnC0MOY_UIAkQ2q1h3


@Bhadra found 2018-19
Here it is

https://mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/AnnualReport_English_01102019.pdf

 

[Varun2002]

Yes! The only problem is this guy thinks he's cat's whiskers or a Liddell Hart and he surely ain't one seeing the rubbish he dishes out.

Pravin Sawhney is about the worst. Other pretty bad ones are Prasun Sengupta and Vishal Thapar. Nothing much has been heard too publicly from Thapar for a while, whereas he used to be pretty high profile on anything to do with the Agni missiles.