India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[cyclops]

I & @detresfa_ write today using #OSINT imagery in the first of a 3 part series on #LadakhTension focussing on #pangongtso. There is NO OCCUPATION, just a series of deep drive throughs by the Chinese and some retaliatory drive throughs by India. Alls well

No Chinese ‘occupation’. Geolocated images show fast in-and-out intrusions by India and China

Using a video and image of alleged India-China scuffles, we were able to locate the exact place of the fracas and show Army pushed back Chinese intrusion.

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[Bleh]

...and some retaliatory drive throughs by India.

Finally done good news! Hope they elaborate on this part... Haven't found anything concrete but hollow boasts.

 

[Major Sahab RR]

Do not laugh.... Gangotri temple has a tradion of calling foerign Generals to its door, get them bowed down and then get them extinguished within Garhwal hills.

China even claims Nelang valley on Jadh Ganga. For me this region is more picturesque than Ladakh.

 

[Bhadra]

Not only Ajai Shukla the fauji families have many gaddars to their name like Bhaskar and Panag family.

As a fauji brat it was hard for me to accept this as i thought fauji families are the most patriotic..but i was wrong.

What a losers attitude...
The Cadre strength of Indian Army officers and Defence Services in about 35000, one of highest amongst any other service but the due structure of the forces not even 5% of them make it to a colonel and not even 1% of them makes it to Generals. Life as it is very harsh for their families and children. Problems of housing, schooling education and opportunities are almost scarce.

How does one expect someone from those families to carry very pleasant and sweet memorise of their lives and the lives of their parents? On top of that they rightly think their father did not make it due to the Organisation. They know the reality and how can one expect them to be solely front line soldiers and patriots particularly when they look around them. which is not so inspiring..

Still, I would say do not malign them due to some bad apples like Tarun Tejpal. They are much better than that Om Puri who said fauji.s get paid to die on the border. There are great names amongst the Army brats who are shining examples in the society...

Gul Panag never spoke and wrote against Army and Swara Bahskar is not Services Background... Do not throw names.. I love them and regard them patriots to the core...

 

[hit&run]

Retired ... retired military man.... retired ...oh yeh.

What about retired men like Panag, Huda, Harwnt Singh, Kadyaan, Bishmabar Dayal ..so on and so on ... including that Maj Gen of OROP type. What about a volley of retired IPS officers. I used to see a retired Cabinet Secretary daily on TV show till a few years ago,,, so many retired RAW directors like Daulata...

Why are you singling out a retired Army Colonel.. unless you have a motive in doing so... you should be fair in your judgment,

Right, so he no longer is a fauzi. And he is not the only one to carry his patriotic liabilities post-retirement. All kinds of people go to Pak embassy including some retired generals or air marshalls, retired IAS, Foreign Service and even R&AW men. Some of them are even caught selling themselves for a long thick instrument of pleasure. There are many aunties too. Then why single out a retired military man...

There are great people in that Aman Ka Tamasha brigade too ....

I have been consistently calling them out by taking their names on this forum.

I can not cover all of them one post.

When I called out Panag you demanded respect for him because he an ex military. Now for AS you are dissociating him from the army? Why there is contradiction is your statements?

 

[Gshvar]

Tiet is elsewhere for China and so is Pakistan elsewhere for China. This basic understanding should be there.

But both Tibet and Pakistan is immediate neighbourhood of India or extension of India - that is why it hurts India more than the Imperialist China.

To my best understanding there won't be any skirmish between India and China. The avtar of skirmish will be different. It will be more strategic oriented. And will be fought like cold war.

So now India's primary aim could be to divert it into some third country to avoid direct confrontation. Neither China wants to lose territory and neither India. Nor they want to lose men nor India, and under such recession no one can afford war.

The only bankrupt country is Pakistan, Afghanistan and best suitable for such confrontation.

Engage China in Pakistan, expand ties with Vietnam and Taiwan, that's what in short seems could be the way to avoid unnecessary headache.

Xi wants to speak to Modi but it seems Modi is pissed hence pressure tactics at LAC. Nothing else.

 

[Bhadra]

China even claims Nelang valley on Jadh Ganga. For me this region is more picturesque than Ladakh.

No they do not, They Claim the pasturage of Barahoti which on top of Neleng of Uttarkashi and Chamoli (Niti - Mana) which a very wide and deep flat platue / pasturage. If India hold that Indians can interdict Chinese road -G219.

 

[hit&run]

Families of traitors are legitimate target. The possibility of them benefiting from the treachery of either member can not be ruled out. Their demeanour also give clue what transcribes in their living rooms and what kind of conditioning or brain washing these people have invested that they come out in public and speak against the nation.

Bhaskar, Panag, Shukla and all others are national security threat and their access to information or key institutes must be checked or monitored with great scrutiny.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

What a losers attitude...
The Cadre strength of Indian Army officers and Defence Services in about 35000, one of highest amongst any other service but the due structure of the forces not even 5% of them make it to a colonel and not even 1% of them makes it to Generals. Life as it is very harsh for their families and children. Problems of housing, schooling education and opportunities are almost scarce.

How does one expect someone from those families to carry very pleasant and sweet memorise of their lives and the lives of their parents? On top of that they rightly think their father did not make it due to the Organisation. They know the reality and how can one expect them to be solely front line soldiers and patriots particularly when they look around them. which is not so inspiring..

Still, I would say do not malign them due to some bad apples like Tarun Tejpal. They are much better than that Om Puri who said fauji.s get paid to die on the border. There are great names amongst the Army brats who are shining examples in the society...

Gul Panag never spoke and wrote against Army and Swara Bahskar is not Services Background... Do not throw names.. I love them and regard them patriots to the core...

Its not a loser attitude.

The same Army pays for their house.Water and electricity is at a cheap price.

Accommodation is safe from burglary.

Vehicles are provided for kids to go to Army school and KV.

Fauj is not a fucking free for all mela.Jo banta he fauj karti he.

My old man also had to face politics and died wearing a HMT watch and Bata shoes.

But boss that is how soldiers are.

I cannot turn a gaddar coz my friends from Pakistan whose father is Pak Army officer wears Rolex and drives Toyota.



Swara Bhaskars father is from the Navy.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Not enough. Why downplay? Show the world that we made some gains in the conflict.
Two things come out of such a confrontation. Establishing India’s authority as a budding super powah and the world realizes nobody fucks with the quiet dude anymore. Especially Nepal, Bangladesh etc.
number two, ccp rhetoric becomes less important and is viewed with lethargy. Just like the world views Pakistan’s rhetoric.

All these people asking us Indian SM guys to calm down need to introspect. It's the same media that is constantly trying to show the Indian army as weak, that our soldiers are being captured, that the Chinese have moved 10km, 35km, into Indian territory and camped down, that GOI is downplaying the losses etc. They are directly helping Chinese and paki information war, and when a strong Indian response disproving this nonsense comes, they talk about keeping it peaceful and "deescalating" the situation.

 

[Gshvar]

Bhaskar, Panag, Shukla and all others are national security threat and their access to information or key institutes must be checked or monitored with great scrutiny.

There is a way to identify a disease, give diagnostic medication, if the symptoms come out you have identified the disease and then give the curative dose. Suppressing any disease symptoms causes organ failure in long term. Let it come out

 

[Poseidon]

We should not stop Shukla or Sawhney or others from criticizing army. They have Freedom of expression. But they should be told to stop from sharing info or claims without any evidence based on anonymous sources.

 

[Major Sahab RR]

Families of traitors are legitimate target. The possibility of them benefiting from the treachery of either member can not be ruled out. Their demeanour also give clue what transcribes in their living rooms and what kind of conditioning or brain washing these people have invested that they come out in public and speak against the nation.

Bhaskar, Panag, Shukla and all others are national security threat and their access to information or key institutes must be checked or monitored with great scrutiny.

This reminds me my colleague, a brat, son of AIRCDRE. His hatred for current govt can not be scaled. Some times its so confusing if its against the govt or country. After Feb 14 attack, he didnt even want us to retaliate. Arguments: eye to eye bulshit, Pak is Atami shakti seems he dont know about Kargil, life is not like Border movie, means no idea about Longewala n Kuldeep Chandpuri, MVC.
Its nowadays normal to see such examples, dont want to go in details about Gurmehar Kaur, Pak didnt kill my father...
No offence but there are 2 compartments- son/daughter of Officers and Jawans,JCOs.

 

[IndianHawk]

Now Republican conservatives are trolling china.
That video has become major source of humiliation for xi and china.

 

[IndianHawk]

This reminds me my colleague, a brat, son of AIRCDRE. His hatred for current govt can not be scaled. Some times its so confusing if its against the govt or country. After Feb 14 attack, he didnt even want us to retaliate. Arguments: eye to eye bulshit, Pak is Atami shakti seems he dodnt know about Kargil, life is not like Border movie, means no idea about Longewala n Kuldeep Chandpuri, MVC.
Its nowadays normal to see such examples, dont want to go in details about Gurmehar Kaur, Pak didnt kill my father...
No offence but there are 2 compartments- son/daughter of Officers and Jawans,JCOs.

It's called cognitive dissonance.
It's common in people with leftist ideology .

That's why white feminist support Islam and that's why secular Hindus support Muslims killing Hindus.

That's why leftsim is mental disored . America is now burning because of this. If we don't check it now our nation will burn too.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Finally done good news! Hope they elaborate on this part... Haven't found anything concrete but hollow boasts.

Hi ... In the satellite images by Abhijit you can see that ITBP base is at finger 4 which is contested / grey area, because, China claims until Finger 2. So, Indian army too is building infrastructure in the gray area, although not as robustly as China

 

[captonjohn]

I think China is planning a short scale conflict as that would be in their interest. There are many reasons why China can launch small scale attacks in LAC.

1. The ideal case to hurt India would have been to use Pakistan to attack India but fortunately, Pakistan has no capability nor dare to attack India. Pakistan clearly knows that any aggression would lead disintegration of Pakistan. Hence, they are not listening to China.
2. The whole world is against China and accusing him of spreading COVID 19 virus and illegally using WHO for their interest. Now China cannot threaten any country as all are the superpower say it USA, EU but the only country he can threaten is India.
3. China also wants to divert the world's attention from viruses to the Indo-China conflict. If China engages with India then this war would make headlines and focus will be shifted from virus to this conflict.
4. China also lost its image as a tough, strong nation. By creating conflicts short but intense enough would send a message to others especially China to not to mess with China. However, it doesn't work as the USA is old player and won't back off.
5. The world has also understood how dependent they are for supplies of many things. China as a sole source of manufacture is not a good idea. They need someone reliable and more friendly, where rules are not weird, and doing business won't be difficult. Fortunately, India is the best option for them and due to this many companies are planning to shift their operations to India. This is a big change and China knows that this made their economy strong and if India becomes the next manufacturing hub then no one can stop India to be a superpower in future.
6. A short scale war would hurt Indian economy but also make investors, and other companies hesitate to continue on their plans to shift to India. By doing this China would buy some time to work on improving their manufacturing capabilities to convince those companies to stay back.

In short, I see a lot of benefits for China in a small price, and war is itself a business. There are ways and opportunities that can help India to deter China in an effective manner and foil their plans.

 

[Major Sahab RR]

An update on US riots. Sharing here coz it has something to do with CCP. For me it goes like this- 2019HK protest, Covid cooled down the erupting volcano. Now coz its settled in Cheen n HK, its again boiling due to Sec. Bill. US pulling down sp. status n now UNSC meet. Criminal Floyd's event gave CCP their chance to ablaze US.


India may be the next..

 

[Bleh]

Hi ... In the satellite images by Abhijit you can see that ITBP base is at finger 4 which is contested / grey area, because, China claims until Finger 2. So, Indian army too is building infrastructure in the gray area, although not as robustly as China

You sure?.. Almost all satellite depictions show Chinky claim line passing through finger 4. But whike Chinks have secured one operating base & another forward party camped right at their claim line, I have disappointingly found ZERO evidence of Indian forces having any permanent asset out there (like the orange ones as example).

It is possible Chinks did this to eradicate any future Indian presence in the grey area. Just look... We used to patrol out, but now Indians are struggling keeping them out of our undisputed area before Finger4!

I think China is planning a short scale conflict as that would be in their interest. There are many reasons why China can launch small scale attacks in LAC.

1. The ideal case to hurt India would have been to use Pakistan to attack India but fortunately, Pakistan has no capability nor dare to attack India. Pakistan clearly knows that any aggression would lead disintegration of Pakistan. Hence, they are not listening to China.
2. The whole world is against China and accusing him of spreading COVID 19 virus and illegally using WHO for their interest. Now China cannot threaten any country as all are the superpower say it USA, EU but the only country he can threaten is India.
3. China also wants to divert the world's attention from viruses to the Indo-China conflict. If China engages with India then this war would make headlines and focus will be shifted from virus to this conflict.
4. China also lost its image as a tough, strong nation. By creating conflicts short but intense enough would send a message to others especially China to not to mess with China. However, it doesn't work as the USA is old player and won't back off.
5. The world has also understood how dependent they are for supplies of many things. China as a sole source of manufacture is not a good idea. They need someone reliable and more friendly, where rules are not weird, and doing business won't be difficult. Fortunately, India is the best option for them and due to this many companies are planning to shift their operations to India. This is a big change and China knows that this made their economy strong and if India becomes the next manufacturing hub then no one can stop India to be a superpower in future.
6. A short scale war would hurt Indian economy but also make investors, and other companies hesitate to continue on their plans to shift to India. By doing this China would buy some time to work on improving their manufacturing capabilities to convince those companies to stay back.

In short, I see a lot of benefits for China in a small price, and war is itself a business. There are ways and opportunities that can help India to deter China in an effective manner and foil their plans.

HIGHLY unlikely... They will not want to fight a war when they've just secured all of the disputed area to their control, with permanent military bases & pushed Indian presence back to Chinky LAC claim-line. All. Achieved. Without. Firing. A. Single. Bullet.

 

[IndianHawk]

I think China is planning a short scale conflict as that would be in their interest. There are many reasons why China can launch small scale attacks in LAC.

1. The ideal case to hurt India would have been to use Pakistan to attack India but fortunately, Pakistan has no capability nor dare to attack India. Pakistan clearly knows that any aggression would lead disintegration of Pakistan. Hence, they are not listening to China.
2. The whole world is against China and accusing him of spreading COVID 19 virus and illegally using WHO for their interest. Now China cannot threaten any country as all are the superpower say it USA, EU but the only country he can threaten is India.
3. China also wants to divert the world's attention from viruses to the Indo-China conflict. If China engages with India then this war would make headlines and focus will be shifted from virus to this conflict.
4. China also lost its image as a tough, strong nation. By creating conflicts short but intense enough would send a message to others especially China to not to mess with China. However, it doesn't work as the USA is old player and won't back off.
5. The world has also understood how dependent they are for supplies of many things. China as a sole source of manufacture is not a good idea. They need someone reliable and more friendly, where rules are not weird, and doing business won't be difficult. Fortunately, India is the best option for them and due to this many companies are planning to shift their operations to India. This is a big change and China knows that this made their economy strong and if India becomes the next manufacturing hub then no one can stop India to be a superpower in future.
6. A short scale war would hurt Indian economy but also make investors, and other companies hesitate to continue on their plans to shift to India. By doing this China would buy some time to work on improving their manufacturing capabilities to convince those companies to stay back.

In short, I see a lot of benefits for China in a small price, and war is itself a business. There are ways and opportunities that can help India to deter China in an effective manner and foil their plans.

Except there is no small price. We overwhelm them along lac . China will lose lakhs of soldier to just hold off Indian forces. Forget about winning.