India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[IndianHawk]

You sure?.. Almost all satellite depictions show Chinky claim line passing through finger 4. But whike Chinks have secured one operating base & another forward party camped right at their claim line, I have disappointingly found ZERO evidence of Indian forces having any permanent asset out there (like the orange ones as example).
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We used to patrol out, but now Indian are barely keeping them out of our undisputed area at Finger4. It is possible they did this to successfully stop any future Indian presence in the grey area.


HIGHLY unlikely... They will not want to fight a war when they've just secured all of the disputed area to their control, with permanent military bases & pushed Indian presence back to Chink LAC claim-line. All. Achieved. Without. Firing. A. Single. Bullet.

They have achieved shit. These positions are there since 1962 barring one new blue dot temporary base. Which we are not tolerating that's why there is standoff.

 

[Suryavanshi]

An update on US riots. Sharing here coz it has something to do with CCP. For me it goes like this- 2019HK protest, Covid cooled down the erupting volcano. Now coz its settled in Cheen n HK, its again boiling due to Sec. Bill. US pulling down sp. status n now UNSC meet. Criminal Floyd's event gave CCP their chance to ablaze US.


India may be the next..

George Soros
CCP
Leftist
Russia

Everyone is involved in this

Also this Chincom know how to egg Murica

Chinese state media says US demonstrations are ‘beautiful’ as it hits back at American support for Hong Kong protests

Chinese state media uses US protests to hit back at Hong Kong supporters

Official news outlets offer blanket coverage of anti-police protests and target politicians who backed city’s anti-government demonstrations.

amp.scmp.com

This is fifth generation warfare right here.

 

[Bleh]

They have achieved shit. These positions are there since 1962 barring one new blue dot temporary base. Which we are not tolerating that's why there is standoff.

Ok. That... makes things less frustrating.

 

[IndianHawk]

Ok. That... makes things less frustrating.

Chinese almost reached their claim line in 1962. That's why lac is too close to Chinese claim line. It's a historical problem.

But I think we have ingressed into chinese side of lac too otherwise what is Chinese crying for?.

 

[captonjohn]

You sure?.. Almost all satellite depictions show Chinky claim line passing through finger 4. But whike Chinks have secured one operating base & another forward party camped right at their claim line, I have disappointingly found ZERO evidence of Indian forces having any permanent asset out there (like the orange ones as example).
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It is possible Chinks did this to eradicate any future Indian presence in the grey area. Just look... We used to patrol out, but now Indians are struggling keeping them out of our undisputed area before Finger4!


HIGHLY unlikely... They will not want to fight a war when they've just secured all of the disputed area to their control, with permanent military bases & pushed Indian presence back to Chinky LAC claim-line. All. Achieved. Without. Firing. A. Single. Bullet.

Claiming or capturing territory is not the main objective of China. Understand that, China needs to stop companies to go to India, this would make India stronger and China cannot afford a stronger country challenging him. India is the only country that USA can rely on and put pressure on China by putting India against China.

 

[Waanar]

Ok. That... makes things less frustrating.

I did not know enough to make remarks on your comment but DUDE, I was getting so pissed for naught!
Cross check before posting or else I'll tie myself to a missile and lauch at China.

George Soros
CCP
Leftist
Russia

Everyone is involved in this

Also this Chincom know how to egg Murica

Chinese state media says US demonstrations are ‘beautiful’ as it hits back at American support for Hong Kong protests

Chinese state media uses US protests to hit back at Hong Kong supporters

Official news outlets offer blanket coverage of anti-police protests and target politicians who backed city’s anti-government demonstrations.

amp.scmp.com

This is fifth generation warfare right here.

I really hope our intelligence agencies are strapping up. It will be so easy to tear India apart from within if we're not up to mark. It's still impressive how few people have pulled out guns in a country like America till now.

 

[Bhadra]

I have been consistently calling them out by taking their names on this forum.

I can not cover all of them one post.

When I called out Panag you demanded respect for him because he an ex military. Now for AS you are dissociating him from the army? Why there is contradiction is your statements?

I never demanded respect forthem, I only objected to insults being heaped on them. I did insist that the rubbish they are presenting has to refuted with reasonable arguments and facts. I only picked up two questions from Generals Panag's arguments and even after twenty posts on the subject no one has any answer to those. Let me assure you those are the question Army would like to ask the govt of the day and those are not Gen Panag's question . Those were :

* If LAC is so sensitive why ITBP is not under the Operational Command of Army?
* Was the Army provided adequate timely intelligence about the Chinse move?

Any Common citizen has got the right to ask such simple rudimentary questions. The crux on the Security of our borders particularly with China lies in answer to these questions. Please do not trivialize those.


However, I still humbly request that a man must be condemned for his views and not for being an Ex fauzi. By calling some idiot ex Fauzi names means bad stereotyping and condemning a fine community. The same applies to Shukla. It is my fortune or misfortune to have served with them and known them as close as friends - not only them but many others. I am much more critic of both than you as would be evident from my expressed views many times, However, I consider it bad to resort to condemning Ex-Servicemen community taking their names.

I hope It would be considered that way and appropriately.
Thanks.

 

[Bleh]

But I think we have ingressed into chinese side of lac too otherwise what is Chinese crying for?.

I did not know enough to make remarks on your comment but DUDE, I was getting so pissed for naught!
Cross check before posting or else I'll tie myself to a missile and lauch at China.

Don't, you have a jihadan to marry... and I'm still not wrong about the final relative situation between our countries.

There are basically two claim lines upto which both patrol & other party screams "incursion". One we claim (line dividing the forces before '62), one they claim (line they reached during' 62). Chinks later pulled back on both fronts, after the nominal victory.

But even if the base was made after driving Indian Army out of the "grey area" in '62, we should still take the opportunity & pitch permanent camps in grey area as retaliatory transgression.

What are the gonna do?.. other than what's already going on? They can't open fire. We could have undid some of the '62 damage.

Claiming or capturing territory is not the main objective of China. Understand that, China needs to stop companies to go to India, this would make India stronger and China cannot afford a stronger country challenging him. India is the only country that USA can rely on and put pressure on China by putting India against China.

I doubt a border skirmish would do any longterm economic damage... Win or lose.

 

[IndianHawk]

I have found no evidence... and there are basically two conceptual LACs. One we claim (line dividing the forces before '62), one they claim (line they reached during' 62). They later pulled back on both fronts, after the nominal victory.
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But even if the base was made after driving Indian Army out of the "grey area" in '62?.. In which case we should still take the opportunity & pitch permanent camps in grey area as retaliatory transgression.

What are the gonna do, other than what's already going on? They can't fire. We could have undid some of the '62 damage.

I doubt a border skirmish would do any longterm economic damage... Win or lose.

Claim lines are different from lac . Lac is near Chinese claim line than Indian because of 1962.

If the conflict breaks out lac will have no meaning. And both will rush for their claim line. We will gain more area as we will simply overrun Chinese this time.

 

[Gshvar]

Chinese fighters flying 30-35 kms from Eastern Ladakh, India watching closely

New Delhi [India], June 1 (ANI): Amid the ongoing tensions over People's Liberation Army (PLA) build up along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, India is keeping a close eye on the movement of Chinese fighter aircraft stationed around 100-150 kms at their bases in Hotan and Gargunsa.

aninews.in

I think this is normal

 

[captonjohn]

Chinese fighters flying 30-35 kms from Eastern Ladakh, India watching closely

New Delhi [India], June 1 (ANI): Amid the ongoing tensions over People's Liberation Army (PLA) build up along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, India is keeping a close eye on the movement of Chinese fighter aircraft stationed around 100-150 kms at their bases in Hotan and Gargunsa.

aninews.in

I think this is normal

No, it's not normal. China is using its tactics from their book 'Art of War' and thinks only they have read that book. They haven't seen India's Art of War yet.

 

[Bleh]

Claim lines are different from lac . Lac is near Chinese claim line than Indian because of 1962.

Can't be dude. That makes the old Chinese permanent base within our side of LAC. It doesn't exist other than the two claim lines & a grey area as "both man's land".

Anyways, I'm still completely accurate about the present (& possibly future) situation.
They have us bottled up on this side of their claim line, we busy in barely keeping them out... If this goes on then in future, at won't be patrolling upto our claim line anymore but standoffing with them at Finger4. They'd have secured the whole gray area for themselves & eliminated all Indian presence from there.

 

[IndianHawk]

No, it's not normal. China is using its tactics from their book 'Art of War' and thinks only they have read that book. They haven't seen India's Art of War yet.

True Chinese want too win without fighting . India has called that bluff already in doklam.

Now either Chinese actually die fighting or India won't budge.

 

[Suryavanshi]

I did not know enough to make remarks on your comment but DUDE, I was getting so pissed for naught!
Cross check before posting or else I'll tie myself to a missile and lauch at China.

I really hope our intelligence agencies are strapping up. It will be so easy to tear India apart from within if we're not up to mark. It's still impressive how few people have pulled out guns in a country like America till now.

We have CRPF, NIA, CBI, IB, Police for that exact purpose but all are incompetent so LMAO.

 

[freethinker777]

One can worry about losses in a war only to a certain degree. India is a large country and can muster big resources. If war has to come, all citizens must be ready to contribute.

There will not be shortage of manpower in case of war. We are a young nation. People will enlist enmass. Chinese must be really foolish people to go to war with India for sake of pakistan.if the war breaks it won't be limited only to border. The world is pissed off with China. Stupid ccp will cause Beijing and Shanghai to burn. First they made friends with wrong countries like nk and Pak who only bring bad name to China and spoil their reputation world over. The defend terrorist in UN and use veto to save Pak from blacklist. Chinese companies get exploited in Pak in the name of cpec. Chinese youth are duped by pakis using fake marriage agencies. Chinese are laughed over and ridiculed in Pak for their physical appearance and food habits. Yet stupid China wants to defend Pak and fight war for it's sake bringing fire to hitherto peaceful Beijing and Shanghai. Pak is not going to pay back Chinese loans and ccp wants Chinese people to die for sake of Pakistan. Chinese roads and investment in Pak occupied territory are always at risk of attack given the nature of security in the region. Instead China can align with India , help India retrieve pok, gb from Pak. India can give safe transit to China from there. Like China resolved dispute with Russian border and bought long term peace there, they can do same with India. In turn India will not interfere in HK , Taiwan , scan and Tibet. But stupid ccp wants Chinese army to lay lives for sake of Pak and bring fire to Beijing and Shanghai. Pak and nk will indeed prove to be nemesis of China.

 

[IndianHawk]

Can't be dude. That makes the old Chinese permanent base within our side of LAC. It doesn't exist other than the two claim lines & a grey area as "both man's land".

Anyways, I'm still completely accurate about the present (& possibly future) situation.
They have us bottled up on this side of their claim line, we busy in barely keeping them out... If this goes on then in future, at won't be patrolling upto our claim line anymore but standoffing with them at Finger4. They'd have secured the whole gray area for themselves & eliminated all Indian presence from there.

Nope lac is where both forces have no permanent presence beyond that line. Then they patrol in grey area without establishing permanent presence.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

You sure?.. Almost all satellite depictions show Chinky claim line passing through finger 4. But whike Chinks have secured one operating base & another forward party camped right at their claim line, I have disappointingly found ZERO evidence of Indian forces having any permanent asset out there (like the orange ones as example).
View attachment 49087
It is possible Chinks did this to eradicate any future Indian presence in the grey area. Just look... We used to patrol out, but now Indians are struggling keeping them out of our undisputed area before Finger4!


HIGHLY unlikely... They will not want to fight a war when they've just secured all of the disputed area to their control, with permanent military bases & pushed Indian presence back to Chinky LAC claim-line. All. Achieved. Without. Firing. A. Single. Bullet.

Below are 2 articles that say.. Chinese claim line passes through Finger 2

Chinese troops blacktopping track in disputed ‘finger’ area in Ladakh amid border tensions

The fresh Chinese construction activity is happening around Finger 4 in Pangong lake area. China also blocked the route of Indian patrol teams in the disputed region.

theprint.in

India-China conflict in Ladakh: What is the importance of Pangong Tso lake?

India-China border dispute: The LAC mostly passes on the land, but Pangong Tso is a unique case where it passes through the water as well.

indianexpress.com

 

[Bleh]

Below are 2 articles that say.. Chinese claim line passes through Finger 2

Chinese troops blacktopping track in disputed ‘finger’ area in Ladakh amid border tensions

The fresh Chinese construction activity is happening around Finger 4 in Pangong lake area. China also blocked the route of Indian patrol teams in the disputed region.

theprint.in

India-China conflict in Ladakh: What is the importance of Pangong Tso lake?

India-China border dispute: The LAC mostly passes on the land, but Pangong Tso is a unique case where it passes through the water as well.

indianexpress.com

Ok. So that's why they claim the ITBP fortifications to be illegal. Thanks. Waaaaaay too much contradictory info everywhere.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

. Russian DCM in India, Roman Babushkin tells
@CNNnews18
that Russia is worried about the current situation on #LAC btwn #India & #China. Despite being good friends w/ both will not intervene but hope that established mechanisms will help "find a way out for mutual satisfaction."

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Completed in barely 3 weeks, road is just under 4 kilometres long and connects to a larger network that China has built along the LAC.

Satellite images show that less than 10 km away on the same road, the Chinese side has deployed heavy artillery and an armoured unit.