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[Sanglamorre]

India, China agree to restart Galwan, Hot Springs pullback

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What's the source for this screenshot?

 

[TheMayank]

What's the source for this screenshot?

Times of India

 

[Sanglamorre]

Times of India

Well, shit.

I really really hope Hellfire's prediction doesn't come to fruition.

 

[utubekhiladi]

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India, China agree to restart Galwan, Hot Springs pullback

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What's the source for this screenshot?

Times of India

Well, shit.

I really really hope Hellfire's prediction doesn't come to fruition.

the answer is in the news itself

both side emphasized the need for an expeditious.... de-escalation as priority.
emphasized is the word here; but in reality they didn't agree to de-escalate.

it's like china saying "yes, we both need to understand that we need to de-escalate this quickly. its good for both of us. so why don't you go back to finger 2?"

there is no de-escalation happing at ground level. china just brought additional 20,000 troups today

 

[mist_consecutive]

Well, shit.

I really really hope Hellfire's prediction doesn't come to fruition.

Could be false information fed by our strategists to throw off snooping enemy intel for a surprise attack run
But I know I am floating in dreams, Babus like Samosas and big bungalows, why care for a piece of barren land in Ladakh.

Also, ground dynamics are changing every day. Remember Galwan clash was also one of those one-off "deescalations" taking place.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

Well, shit.

I really really hope Hellfire's prediction doesn't come to fruition.

What /Which prediction.

 

[rock127]

After China got bitchslapped by WTO recently, China again gets slapped by a much smaller and less known org called Global Environment Facility


China has gone mad like a rabid dog after it's Han Chinese Ego is hurt at Galwan losing ~50 soldiers and the world is laughing at them. Now China wants to open another front by bullying Bhutan. Last time China had to back off at Doklam. Bhutan has no representative so India took the case and won.

China forgot that India has the responsibility of external security of Bhutan. No wonder if Bhutan chose to be in Indian Union in future just like Arunachal did in 87 due to constant bullying and threats of annexation by CCP Land Mafia UnLtd. We can have 7+1=8 sisters in our beautiful North-East then.

Hindustan 1-July-2020

China now claims Bhutan's territory, Bhutan rejects Chinese claims

Bhutan rejected China's claims and the council adopted the funding for Sakteng Wildlife Sanctuary.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[sydsnyper]

No wonder if Bhutan chose to be in Indian Union in future just like Arunachal did in 87 due to constant bullying and threats of annexation by CCP Land Mafia UnLtd. We can have 7+1=8 sisters in our beautiful North-East then.

Arre nahi sahab, let Bhutan remain Bhutan.

 

[prasadr14]

Arre nahi sahab, let Bhutan remain Bhutan.

Second that,

Our liberals will destroy it in 6 months if they join India.

 

[tarunraju]

Did ccp and PLA miscalculate the response of countries to a foreign invasion during Covid?

Did they expect that countries will just roll over under the stress of an epidemic?

They miscalculated Trump enabling the travel ban as early as he did. Without that, US infections would have easily been 4-fold, and that would have thrown US strategic calculus off balance, so Beijing could pull its gandmasti on neighbors.

The second blunder Xi made is to go ahead with his menopause behavior knowing well that the US isn't as crippled as it should be. Even domestic politics against Trump can't throw the American strategic apparatus off gear.

Right now you see Trump having offloaded the entire Xi situation onto Pompeo (who is a cerebral schoolyard bully); and he's doing a decent job stitching together an undeclared military alliance of China's large democratic neighbors. QUAD's declaration is only a formality now. It's already in effect. Just look at the military pacts and exercises that happened in the past month.

In just the past 9 months, Xi cost China close to $2 trillion in world trade, which balloons to $5 trillion if you hold him culpable for COVID-19.

 

[rock127]

Posting Psy-Ops by NDTV and Ajai Shukla will get you undue attention of Moderators including demerit points. Trade carefully.
War is a pilgrimage. Like we offer offering to our Ishwara when we visit him or her, we offer our lives to the motherland when visit the borders.
Jai Hind.

Agree, enough of Shukla/Panag/Jha type commi supported by anti-nationals who are getting undue attention with their fear mongering and incorrect/misleading tweets. They are also giving crucial info to enemies. They SHOULD be booked and thrown in jail as per NSA law, imagine if they leak info in war time like Burqa Dutt Khan did leading to few soldier's death.

Anyways... can't get what out Southy bros are singing but here is one of my favs. These songs uplift the mood anytime.

 

[ewok.sama.ji]

That's exactly what i had in mind, given the chinese recon mission in and around taiwan.. and US carriers being moved near taiwan...... but if that goes down, it would be a good opportunity for us to escalate in ladakh and give a little breath to Taiwan other ASEAN nations, would forge a stronger alliance.

2024 is the 75th anniversary of the founding of PRC, so CCP wants to deliver something special by then to enhance their prestige and legitimacy in the eyes of the populace. Since the economy of China is trending downwards, and Xi is gaining enemies, reunification is a major objective in the 5-year period 2020-2025. People might think it's impossible, but don't forget PLA's massive stockpile of small & medium range ballistic missiles. The actual flight time to Taiwan is only 10 minutes!

 

[sydsnyper]

I notice a big part of your objection is NDTV types kya kahenge. We aren't going to win any wars with moral high ground. That's the first thing you need to let go. Controlling media is an internal job and that wasn't part of our little thought experiment so I didn't insert that.

Again, we'll see what happens with Tibetans. I don't know why you're discounting them, but I will not. Yes, if we fail we have consequences. That's the end result to everything. If we lose the war, we face consequences, if we cede territory, we have to explain it like fools. That's a risk you have to run or you'll end up looking like the paralyzed past GoI in face of Chinese aggression.

? Our armed forces weren't allowed to fire bullets while they were attacked with iron rods. What I'm proposing is a step up to that. And don't for a moment think this right to fire comes without caveats. Especially after what I heard the COAS say praising the decision not to fire on 15th. This clearance to fire without Repurcussions from GoI is for public consumption, not a reality.

And, let's say we have clearance to fire and we are willing to take it. The Chinese will be looking for that opportunity. They'll come at you with cold weapons again to provoke you to use hot weapons. I'm not sure what the embarrassment is in using trebuchets. It's light, easily produced, cheap as fuck, the ammo is boulders nearby, or dumb iron balls and above all, can break encampments from a distance all without using hot weapons. They were used to break castles, you think the Chinese camps can withstand these?

We'll see who fires hot weapons first when is raining boulders and spears the size of men ripping into camps.

Sir, rather than going back and forth about fighting with sticks and stones and how we sharpen our sticks vis-a-vis the PLA, lets go back to how this back and forth started - https://defenceforumindia.com/threa...ational-border-discussions.82172/post-1710035

My point was that there is nothing to be gained from ranting and raving about what the GOI or the military should do. Neither you nor me are in the shoes of the people who are taking the decision and we have some capable people managing the front for us.

Now, I probably would have been in agreement with your angst if it had been the tattu congressi government, who ended up giving away over 600 sq. km. to the chinis in their 10 year tenure, but this time it is different. Our civilian central government and the military have worked through Doklam, its subsequent conflicts, the surgical strikes, hits on the naxalites and more. This gives me confidence in their ability to counter the current conflict and they are much better prepared than the congressi dog poops ever were.

I do not wish to continue this back and forth anymore, lets shift our discussion to something constructive.

However there are some constructive elements that we touched on in this back and forth and I'll list them below:
1. Anti-China Propaganda (my position is to avoid racism at all costs)
2. Strategy to hold chini side of the LAC and use it to barter our positions back.
3. No catapults or trebuchets, we are 500-600 years past the validity of their use in warfare.

 

[ewok.sama.ji]

Oh yes, definitely. A couple of apps even got caught for having one. I think the most recent was some popular Chinese app that was copying contents of texts, clipboards from iphones.

Heck, even the hardwares sometimes have been found to have backdoors.

That popular app was none other than TikTok lol...

 

[Bhadra]

Denied by his own daughter

Gaurav Arya’s Claims About Army, Sam Manekshaw’s Pensions Are Fake

Gaurav Arya’s Claims About Army Fact Check: Major Gaurav Arya said that after the 1971 war, Sam Manekshaw’s pension was stopped and that he was only given his complete pension on his deathbed. Secondly,Arya also claimed that the pensions of the Armed

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But, what can we say about a member who proudly lies behind his professional badge.

We shouldn't take cover of lies to propagate one's views.

But, in this forum even lying is kosher if it comes from certain posters.

Hare Ram Hare Ram...

Beinf forced to reply in he morning ...

It is a fact that Congress government reduced the pension of Service personals from 70 percent of last pay drawn to 50 percent of last pay drawn thereby making it at par with civilians in 1973 through 3rd CPC.

It is also a fact the Sam was not given his dues of full pay as Army Filed Marshall being entailed to him. That was granted to him with dues after intervention of President Abdul kalam when he was virtually on death bed.

Both instances of the slight delivered to the Forces was at the mechanization and treachery of bureaucracy is but well known to all.

People who were not fit to talk to a Havildar of the Army at independence have been elevated to be modern day Kings and they now claim it as their birth right through SC.

But mongrels need to be reminded time and again that the house belongs to all and not only to them... but mongrels are mongrels who can not resist the itch....

 

[garg_bharat]

Well Chinese may 'pull back' a little for show. Move their temporary huts a few km. But I expect them to stay put close to the border. They are not going to their barracks.

Something is spooking the Chinese. Hard to understand it but it is definitely not roads being built by India.

India is no longer an island. India is integrating with rest of the world. India has realized the value of its own democracy as well as democracies around it. I think China's fight is ideological fight. China wants to see its mirror images on its borders. India is an exception. India under Modi has been hard to manipulate.

I do not see any peace. There may be a ceasefire which may again evolve into a war.

 

[prasadr14]

But mongrels need to be reminded time and again that the house belongs to all and not only to them... but mongrels are mongrels who can not resist the itch....

This is the most surprising aspect..

a lot of ex-military guys are openly hostile to india.
a lot of military kids are also openly hostile to india.

Wonder what the reason it!

 

[ewok.sama.ji]

Indian, Chinese armies identify expeditious and phased de-escalation as priority: Sources

Indian, Chinese armies identify expeditious and phased de-escalation as priority: Sources

The sources said the process of disengagement along the LAC is "complex" and in such a context, speculative and unsubstantiated reports need to be avoided.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

"identify as a priority" so basically nothing happened.

 

[Kumata]

Hare Ram Hare Ram...

Beinf forced to reply in he morning ...

It is a fact that Congress government reduced the pension of Service personals from 70 percent of last pay drawn to 50 percent of last pay drawn thereby making it at par with civilians in 1973 through 3rd CPC.

It is also a fact the Sam was not given his dues of full pay as Army Filed Marshall being entailed to him. That was granted to him with dues after intervention of President Abdul kalam when he was virtually on death bed.

Both instances of the slight delivered to the Forces was at the mechanization and treachery of bureaucracy is but well known to all.

People who were not fit to talk to a Havildar of the Army at independence have been elevated to be modern day Kings and they now claim it as their birth right through SC.

But mongrels need to be reminded time and again that the house belongs to all and not only to them... but mongrels are mongrels who can not resist the itch....

NO comments but just to backup with evidence and news at the time of settlement.

quint- less said than better. i don;t want to waste my time

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[Kumata]

Denied by his own daughter

Gaurav Arya’s Claims About Army, Sam Manekshaw’s Pensions Are Fake

Gaurav Arya’s Claims About Army Fact Check: Major Gaurav Arya said that after the 1971 war, Sam Manekshaw’s pension was stopped and that he was only given his complete pension on his deathbed. Secondly,Arya also claimed that the pensions of the Armed

www.thequint.com

-----
But, what can we say about a member who proudly lies behind his professional badge.

We shouldn't take cover of lies to propagate one's views.

But, in this forum even lying is kosher if it comes from certain posters.

you should investigate a bit before passing in a opinion IMO.