India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Suryavanshi]

U buy 200 artillery from Kalyani worth 1 billion.

Here is what u are contributing.

>Kalyani sources steel, titanium, carbon fibre, wires, Paint, Electronics, Computers, Machinery. We Indirectly give money to these people, they also increase their production and set up new plants since a new constant demand is created.
U essentially helped these Industries grow.

>Now suppose raw material and machine cost combined it costed Kalyani 750 million and their profit margin is 250 million.
Kalyani has 250 worker's in s single factory and their average salary is Rs. 120,000 a month total salary per annum for these workers will be 5 million dollars.
U fill the stomachs of 250 workers and their familes.
Now these 250 workers will buy land, house, go to restaurant, buy car, invest in market, keep in bank, but life insurance, buy fancy clothes, shoes, toys for their kids.
Those 3 million also get redistributed into 1000 more workers and their familied who will further distribute it.

>Now after Paying the 5 million yearly salary and baba keeps a 20 million profit for himself, Kalyani still has 225 million left. What do they do with it.
They invest.
They Invest invest 25 million in R&D into researching.
They Invest 100 million into setting up a new plane manufacturing factory.
More jobs are created, more money is redistributed.

>We still have 100 million left well what does Kalyani do with that.
Well more investment.
They Invest 25 million in Paytm.
They Invedt 25 million in Haldiram Bhujia
They invest 25 million in Peter England
They Invest 25 milion in multiple promising startups.
They diversify their portfolio.

>They Invite Kids for Internship at their Factories. Skill is redistributed among local youth.

>Also all of Kalyani and its workers pay taxes on their Profit govemenet gets money back.




Now what happens when u buy Artillery from Elbit system Israel.

>well all the points I mention still stands true but in their country. We just get the wepaon they get everything else.

Basic Economics and money flow in the system.

Now u will be Rambling why the capitalistic pig Baba kalyani takes 20 million to his bank account.
Well there ain't anything wrong with Rich people keeping money in bank it is a problem when they hide it in sacks or send it overseas.
The money in Banks is used to issue debit and credit.
The banks give 2% interest on the amount to the owner and give loans at 7 to 10 %.
For them to issue loans they must have Amount deposited in their banks.
So if the Capitalist Pig pull out all the money from the bank u may not get the home loans or eduaction loans.

Remember Jan Dhan Yojana.
It was a master stroke from Modi.
The people who kept Money oustide banks in their houses started keeping it in banks
Result huge amount pooled into government treasury which they used to issue loans.

 

[Sehwag213]

There is a guy Sameet Thakkar. He regularly posts insider news on Twitter about BJP. He is predicting war in August.

 

[utubekhiladi]

There is a guy Sameet Thakkar. He regularly posts insider news on Twitter about BJP. He is predicting war in August.

link?

 

[Sehwag213]

link?

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

leasing platforms and getting USA involved

If only things were that simple.

 

[Sehwag213]

If Biden comes to power , we should forget about Quad.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Redirect Notice

How USA plans to help India, corner China and the real story of Tibet`s repression

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Flashpoint Galwan: 'Y Nalla' turns new frontier as Chinese sever PP-14 access


Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

is this article accurate?

 

[utubekhiladi]

is this article accurate?

i have my doubts, thats why i want to refer to PP14 in maps at galwan

 

[utubekhiladi]

Amid pandemic, SE Asian nations warn of 'alarming' South China Sea incidents

HANOI (Reuters) - Vietnam and the Philippines warned of growing insecurity in Southeast Asia at a regional summit on Friday amid concerns that China was stepping up its activity in the disputed South China Sea during the coronavirus pandemic.

Both Hanoi and Manila lodged protests with China in April after Beijing unilaterally declared the creation of new administrative districts on islands in the troubled waterways to which Vietnam and the Philippines also have competing claims.

“We call on parties to refrain from escalating tensions and abide by responsibilities under international law,” he said.

China has been pushing its presence in the Exclusive Economic Zones of other countries while claimants are preoccupied tackling the COVID-19 pandemic, prompting the United States to call on China to stop its “bullying behaviour” there.

Amid pandemic, SE Asian nations warn of 'alarming' South China Sea incidents

Vietnam and the Philippines warned of growing insecurity in Southeast Asia at a regional summit on Friday amid concerns that China was stepping up its activity in the disputed South China Sea during the coronavirus pandemic.

www.reuters.com

 

[utubekhiladi]

Explained Ideas: Why India can’t depend on US & EU to counter China

Pratap Bhanu Mehta on India-China border dispute: The Xi regime's unprecedented global alienation notwithstanding, no other country has a serious stake in the fate of the terrain India and China are disputing.

The border stand-off with China has made it crucial for India to rethink all its strategic options. Can it use the growing anti-China sentiment across the world to its advantage? The moment seems ripe, writes Pratap Bhanu Mehta, contributing editor, The Indian Express, in his latest column. “The degree of global alienation with the Xi Jinping regime is unprecedented. But can this be translated into concerted global action to exert real pressure on China?”

Look at the global response to China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). “Many countries are struggling to meet their BRI debt obligations. Many Chinese loans have become a millstone around the debtor countries’ necks. But it is difficult to see the rest of the international community helping all these countries to wean their regimes away from dependence on Chinese finance. Similarly, there are now great concerns over frontier areas of conflict like cyber security and space, ​

interesting read with different perspective.. please read full article at

Amid pandemic, SE Asian nations warn of 'alarming' South China Sea incidents

Vietnam and the Philippines warned of growing insecurity in Southeast Asia at a regional summit on Friday amid concerns that China was stepping up its activity in the disputed South China Sea during the coronavirus pandemic.

www.reuters.com

 

[utubekhiladi]

How USA plans to help India, corner China and the real story of Tibet's repression

How USA plans to help India, corner China and the real story of Tibets repression

In order to counter Chinas Peoples Liberation Army (PLA), the US is reviewing its global deployment of forces in Asia by reducing them from Europe

zeenews.india.com

 

[garg_bharat]

If Biden comes to power , we should forget about Quad.

In fact Trump is more anti-war despite being Republican.
Trump has been forced by Pentagon otherwise American troops would have been withdrawn from Afghan and Iraq completely by now.

Americans have been moving away from China in the last ten years. The process started under Obama.

I think no change is expected if Trump goes. It may actually be better since Trump is so indecisive.

 

[Bhadra]

In India-China Conflict, Which Intel Lapses Could We Have Avoided?​

LT GEN KAMAL DAVAR (RETD)PUBLISHED: 26 JUN 2020, 10:12 PM IST

In India-China Conflict, Which Intel Lapses Could We Have Avoided?

As the tactical situation appears to heat up in the Ladakh sector, India must remain in full preparedness to counter Chinese expansionist tendencies. If we do not do so now, then it will be woefully late, writes an Indian Army veteran.

www.thequint.com

As one of the significant principles of war remains the element of surprise, the art and science of Intelligence gathering and analysis has been, down the ages, a vital ingredient of a nation’s state-craft.
During the current India-China face-off in Eastern Ladakh, India’s strategic adversary in Asia – an expansionist and a revisionist ambitious power – China has indeed surprised India’s political and security establishments by transgressing across the Line of Actual Control (LAC) at four points in Eastern Ladakh on or before 5 May 2020.
Notwithstanding the violent clashes between the Indian and Chinese troops in the Galwan Valley on the intervening night of 15/16 June, and later some form of agreement reached between the two senior commanders of the opposing forces to disengage, the Chinese, according to unconfirmed media reports, are in no mood to relent with their incursions in these undefined border areas . On the other hand, they have continued to build additional fortifications, improve roads, induct tanks and artillery guns, and amassed additional troops at various places along the LAC.
Also Read : India-China ‘Bottleneck’: Are Indian Patrols Limited Since March?

 

[Bhadra]

India Should’ve Been More Cautious Along LAC​

Regrettably, the Chinese continue to scoff at the five comprehensive border management protocols signed between the two nations from 1993 onwards to date. But then, the Chinese, in their arrogance, have an aversion towards any rules-based arrangements governing the conduct of affairs between nations. Thus, China’s standard playbook conveniently has been blaming India over the last few weeks for the tensions in Eastern Ladakh – ridiculous accusations by any standards.
The victim of these audacious incursions, India, appears to have faulted somewhere in the monitoring of its borders. Is the current standoff between the two Asian giants another Kargil in the offing – remains to be seen.

Why does India, stabbed in the back on numerous occasions by the wily Chinese, continue to display a propensity for being surprised over and over again? Is there something wrong with our DNA? Why do we persist in being naïve, over-trusting and overly kind to our erring neighbours?

 

[Bhadra]

Why India Must Defend Darbuk-Shyok-DBO Road At All Cost​

Mercifully, after a long break, India’s MEA has finally issued a statement criticising China for reneging on the 1993 protocol regarding peaceful management of the LAC. Presumably, EAM S Jaishankar’s virtual conference with his Chinese counterpart the other day appears to have fallen on deaf ears, and the tensions persist.
The tactical situation on the ground appears to be getting more tense by the day, with both nations deploying additional troops and combat equipment at many places along the LAC. How the volatile situation will shape up will only be known in the coming weeks. However, what is of concern for the Indian troops on the ground is that China has commenced making manoeuvres close to Depsang, near Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) – in areas where all these years they have not shown much interest. Both in this region and in the earlier undisputed Galwan Valley, the Chinese are surely looking for features from where they could dominate by observation, and fire India’s strategic 255 kms just-completed road, which runs from Darbuk-Shyok-DBO.

 

[garg_bharat]

Explained Ideas: Why India can’t depend on US & EU to counter China

Pratap Bhanu Mehta on India-China border dispute: The Xi regime's unprecedented global alienation notwithstanding, no other country has a serious stake in the fate of the terrain India and China are disputing.

The border stand-off with China has made it crucial for India to rethink all its strategic options. Can it use the growing anti-China sentiment across the world to its advantage? The moment seems ripe, writes Pratap Bhanu Mehta, contributing editor, The Indian Express, in his latest column. “The degree of global alienation with the Xi Jinping regime is unprecedented. But can this be translated into concerted global action to exert real pressure on China?”

Look at the global response to China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). “Many countries are struggling to meet their BRI debt obligations. Many Chinese loans have become a millstone around the debtor countries’ necks. But it is difficult to see the rest of the international community helping all these countries to wean their regimes away from dependence on Chinese finance. Similarly, there are now great concerns over frontier areas of conflict like cyber security and space, ​

interesting read with different perspective.. please read full article at

Amid pandemic, SE Asian nations warn of 'alarming' South China Sea incidents

Vietnam and the Philippines warned of growing insecurity in Southeast Asia at a regional summit on Friday amid concerns that China was stepping up its activity in the disputed South China Sea during the coronavirus pandemic.

www.reuters.com

There are all kind of views on China. China is our neighborhood bully. As was mafia in Mumbai, most 'businessmen' Indians want to pay hafta to China and thus save their business.

But all people are not businessmen. The common man resents paying to a bully. A common man is now prime minister.

Methinks India does not want war. The very fact nothing has been done from India's side in 6 weeks of Chinese deployment (except counter deployment) shows that India does not want war. But does India have a choice?

 

[Bhadra]

Gaps In India’s Intel-Gathering​

Though the stand-off continues and the contours it will take will emerge shortly, there are gaps in India’s Intelligence gathering which have clearly emerged.

• Firstly, it must be enquired as to whether adequate intelligence inputs were given by our external intelligence agency, R&AW, to the Army or not?
• Secondly, what inputs by the technical intelligence agencies of our security establishment (both civil and military) were administered to the Army and our higher security structures?
• Thirdly, what is the efficacy of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police in manning borders which are operationally live all throughout the year?

Importantly, when we know that the Chinese were carrying out their annual exercises in areas east of their Western Highway, were we not keeping their movements westwards under aerial and signals surveillance as is the normal customary procedure? India has more than adequate aerial and other forms of TECHINT capabilities, and thus, to be surprised by a massive Chinese build-up all along the LAC is indeed inexplicable and unpardonable.
It is worth recalling that after the Kargil War, the NDA-I government had done a wonderful job with the Kargil Review Committee (KRC) and the Group of Ministers’ recommendations regarding the streamlining of the higher defence management mechanisms of the nation. One of their recommendations was granting in peacetime one para-military force/ central police organisation to one specific geographical border.
Thus, the ITBP was given the task to police the India-Tibet borders in their entirety during peacetime. However it has been observed that both during the Chumar, Depsang crises in 2013 and 2014 respectively, there were many deficiencies.

 

[Bhadra]

What Will See Us Through Border Conflict With China?​

It is a simple yet profound truism that duality in responsibility and command is always fraught with danger. After the current crisis is over, both the MOD and MHA must, once again, go into the aspect of this recommendation of the KRC, and take action as deemed fit, based on experiences in manning the borders since the last 18 years or so.

As the tactical situation appears to heat up in the Ladakh sector, India must remain in full preparedness to counter Chinese expansionist tendencies. If we do not do so now, then it will be woefully late. Thus, India has to galvanise international opinion also whilst it gears up to confront the dangers knocking at its doors.

The Indian Armed Forces will, as always, rise to the occasion, and bring glory to the nation. God bless the Republic.

(Lt Gen (Retd) Kamal Davar raised the Defence Intelligence Agency, was Deputy Chief of the Integrated Defence Staff and is one of India’s leading military thinkers. This is an opinion piece and the views expressed are the author’s own. The Quint neither endorses nor is responsible for them.)

 

[Anandhu Krishna]