India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[here2where]

with all this men and equipment it is more than testing either way they are invaders that have to be remover

Agree they should be removed, but we should start irritating them more which we have never done historically.

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

Wish Dhanush was there!!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Agree they should be removed, but we should start irritating them more which we have never done historically.

we can do a lot more to irritate :
Make alliance with the west
Abandon one China policy recognize tibet and taiwan
Demand CPEC stop in UN

 

[Bhadra]

How did Chinese block off Galwan river flow so fast without our side being aware of this???? Claim the river was blocked off after skirmish can’t be true?

Our side was aware of it when water levels down stream reduced considerably.

The PLA is a peasant Force and like in any mountain river water can be easily blocked and diverted. That is how water is blocked and canals are constructed from there in mountainous regions. One bulldozer and JCB will do the trick.

Not very large amount of water can be stored but sufficient enough to cause a flood for a few minutes down the stream. Flow of the water down the stream will depend on river slope.

 

[Dharmocrat]

I have been watching this thread and read almost every post here since the All Party Meeting. Saw two midnight meltdowns, and a lot of cryptic one liner condescending

 

[garg_bharat]

How did Chinese block off Galwan river flow so fast without our side being aware of this???? Claim the river was blocked off after skirmish can’t be true?

Why is it such a big deal? It is not a big river. You put rocks and dirt with bulldozers and can block the stream.
But it does not create a big dam.

Seems to be some sort of trick to wash away soldiers coming from downstream.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Why is it such a big deal? It is not a big river. You put rocks and dirt with bulldozers and can block the stream.
But it does not create a big dam.

Seems to be some sort of trick to wash away soldiers coming from downstream.

the claim was it was blocked after skirmish ( I don’t believe). If blocked earlier it means Chinese planned all this in advance and provoked this

 

[Tuco]

Why is it such a big deal? It is not a big river. You put rocks and dirt with bulldozers and can block the stream.
But it does not create a big dam.

Seems to be some sort of trick to wash away soldiers coming from downstream.

Even ice melting will not increase the flow? Can the flood threaten the road parallel to Shyok at the mouth of Galwan?

 

[garg_bharat]

Every weapons has its counter including for artillery.

Artillery is an area weapon. Unless of course they uses smart munitions such as excaliber. That would also require someone to climb those heights at many points and designate the bombs.

Comparatively, strafing , rocketing and bombing will be much accurate... and effective. Missile will hit point targets.

One has to establish favorable air situation and cater to enemy AD weapons before undertaking such a task... that is given.

Sure. But I think these guys must be sitting there with a lot of manpads. What else they have is a matter of recon. I would definitely not send a helicopter there.

 

[garg_bharat]

Even ice melting will not increase the flow? Can the flood threaten the road parallel to Shyok at the mouth of Galwan?

Damming the river Seems like a pedestrian trick but only military minds can analyze the significance.

 

[Mikesingh]

 

[here2where]

we can do a lot more to irritate :
Make alliance with the west
Abandon one China policy recognize tibet and taiwan
Demand CPEC stop in UN

We should show we are serious by either going to war or start doing the steps i had posted. Till then everything is mere posturing.

 

[JBH22]

Our side was aware of it when water levels down stream reduced considerably.

The PLA is a peasant Force and like in any mountain river water can be easily blocked and diverted. That is how water is blocked and canals are constructed from there in mountainous regions. One bulldozer and JCB will do the trick.

Not very large amount of water can be stored but sufficient enough to cause a flood for a few minutes down the stream. Flow of the water down the stream will depend on river slope.

Never underestimate the opponent, let's not fall into paki mindset one mard e momin equals ten soldiers.
A cold calculated approach to evaluate chances should always remain the basis of any strategy.
The slur let's leave it for the public

 

[AmitG]

Why is it such a big deal? It is not a big river. You put rocks and dirt with bulldozers and can block the stream.
But it does not create a big dam.

Seems to be some sort of trick to wash away soldiers coming from downstream.

Or to wash away the new Indian bridge....

 

[Indrajit]

the claim was it was blocked after skirmish ( I don’t believe). If blocked earlier it means Chinese planned all this in advance and provoked this

No, it was blocked before. Abhijit Iyer Mitra had pointed this out earlier when analysing satellite images though he thought that it might be diversion of the water.

3) However, a serious situation has arisen due to China cutting off the waters of the Galwan river, which amounts to a weaponisation of China’s upper riparian rights. If not challenged immediately, this could lead to cutting off of waters to other rivers with serious consequences for agriculture and potable water in India.

Chinese intrusion in Galwan lasted for two weeks before it was cleared by Indian troops

China has stopped or diverted the flow of Galwan waters, an action contrary to its assurance that it would not block waters of south and westward flowing rivers.

www.google.com

 

[Sridhar_TN]

When I come to this forum, I’m looking for educated comments and information from reliable sources/analysts that are willing to communicate real strategies and real information. so far, that expectation has fallen short...

 

[another_armchair]

Why is it such a big deal? It is not a big river. You put rocks and dirt with bulldozers and can block the stream.
But it does not create a big dam.

Seems to be some sort of trick to wash away soldiers coming from downstream.

Absolutely.

So what do they fear? IA pulling up 105's and firing air burst rounds into the valley?

Yeahhhh baby.. someone is thinking straight!

Now now, if you are the Army General tasked with frustrating the Chinese and tying them down, what would you do Sir?

 

[AmitG]

Maybe payment installment not received.

More likely the US bringing pressure to bear. The Paki generals are still shit scared of the US. Remember a lot of them retire to the US, have children and families studying and settled there.

 

[Dharmocrat]

I have been watching this thread and read almost every post here since the All Party Meeting. Saw two midnight meltdowns, and a lot of cryptic one liner condescending posts.

I am actually amazed at how everybody missed a MOMENTOUS Strategic signalling that Modi did while he was giving the closing remarks in the APM. ( And this is a defence forum !!)

When he was mentioning the weapons systems that the Govt has given on priority to the Armed forces, he mentioned Helicopters, Fighter planes and ... wait for it.. Missile Defense system !!

Guys, dont you get it ? Indian BMD is operational and the PM has given China a warning. A STRATEGIC shot across the bow.

If we monitor the chatter coming from multiple sources, including Chinese, we can construct a lot from scattered pieces, and a picture begins to form of what happened on 15 June night.

1. Chinese attack our CO and his aides of 16 Bihar, when he was verifying Compliance. (It is because of this that he was himself at the frontlines). Chinks intentionally target our CO in the initial assault, grievously wounding him and other two aides, who died on the way to HQ.

2. Our guys inflicted some casualties, But because the Chinese were having the higher ground, they could not do much and retreated with the bodies of the Fallen.

3. When the Battalion came to know, they immediately arm up with whatever they can get other than guns, ( Remember the other officers leading them would inform them that the Chinese target would be to get them to fire first to play victim, so to kill them and at the same time deny them the outcome they want, their best option would be to fight with Improvised weapons and hand to hand combat.) They split into multiple war parties and CROSSED the LAC into the Chinese base and wreaked absolute havoc.

4. Some of our guys are overwhelmed with numbers and taken down, some fell with enemies into the ridge and the river, where they died of drowning and hypothermia. Some are captured by the Enemy because of sheer numbers advantage.

5. Our guys retreat after having their fill of death and destruction. The guys captured by Chinese are left behind as there us no realistic hope of rescue then, and the Survivors inform the Div HQ about what transpired.

6. The Chinese casualties are in three figures and they are furious and threaten to execute our boys. It is then that the IA immediately surrounds and traps a Chinese position. Chinese bat munchers are informed that if anything happens to our boys, then these rats are fried. Hence, the Chinese FMs impotent statement of asking India to discipline and restrain their frontline troops.

7. After two days of negotiations, our boys and Chink rats are silently exchanged without the spectacle that the Chinks wanted.

8. Now Enter the internal dynamics of the CCP. Xitler has alienated the old guard and the next generation of leaders by appointing himself Chairman for life. There is a lot of internal dissent against him with Li Keqiang as the Focus. Now, as long as the PLA keeps the casualties under wraps, its smooth sailing for Xi, as lying is second nature for Commie dogs. But what if the faction against Xi ( Jiang Zemin comes to mind ), is planning to leak the visuals of the aftermath of the Indian Counterattack to Chinki SM to inflame Chinese passions and force Xi into a destructive and unwinnable war with India ? How do our guys react ? Exactly the way you saw the MEA react. Restate our priorities and redlines and emphasize who was the one who actually wanted to change the Status quo.

9. Now, the reason Modi called the APM , is to give a strategic signal to the Enemy ( both the Xi faction and anti-Xi faction ) that the Indian political class is one and stands behind the armed forces in any eventuality along with Indian public. He also sent two Strategic messages. That I am restraining my people here, who are clamoring for revenge. If there is any further action from your side, then all bets are off. Which in fact leads us to the second strategic message, regarding BMD.

10. The PM was sending a message to the Anti-Xi faction to not play any games by leaking the Chinese casualties and visuals of the attack. Because if things do really go out of control and SHTF, then we have BMD, Do you ? All your Chinese Miracles will be radioactive ash. So shut up and take your losses.

So, guys please analyse calmly and rationally. Dont take any info at face value and in isolation. Try to combine multiple pieces of info and build a picture to understand that there are Wheels within Wheels.

 

[Holy Triad]

Ladakh: ITBP (Indo-Tibetan Border Police) personnel perform yoga at an altitude of 18000 feet, in sub-zero temperatures, on #InternationalYogaDay today.