India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[ezsasa]

GOI should strictly give instructions to channels like NDTV that any such thing won't be tolerated. Besides other hardcore right wing channels & journalists should refrain from chest thumping & all. Instead show stories of Indian soldiers bravery in 1967 that many Indians still don't know. Ask people to remain strong & don't show weakness like what happened in Abhi's case. Back your forces till the bitter end. Support the government moves in such case.

I’ll put it this way, Indian TV news media is not setup to assist India Progress, they are designed to slow us down or maintain status quo.

might as well skip them all together and use Social media to spread the message.,

 

[Karthi]

 

[Bhadra]

I had said yesterday in this forum that our internal forces are getting more active and begging for a confrontation wishing an adverse outcome for India so that they could bring down Modi. They wish to change the narrative of 1962 basically to exonerate Nehru for the national humiliation. Such efforts though also have been attempted many times including by MoD Babus of IDSA.

Here is the Congressi Press with a Congressi Journalist Manoj Joshi. He has come out with an article to exonerate Nehru in Quint ;

Why Only Blame Nehru For India’s Defeat in 1962 War With China?

Nehru Death Anniversary: In assessing the Nehru era, Srinath Raghavan has said that Nehru well understood the “nature and the limits of power,” and that “moral and political legitimacy was as important as economic and military resources.”

www.thequint.com

The main questions remain to be unanswered.

1. If India was militarily weakened due to division of Army between India and Pakistan and then the Indian Army was fully stretched in J&K due to Pakistani aggression etc, instead of strengthening it why reduction of the strength of IA by 50,000 between 1950 and 1954 was carried out? Why another further reduction of 50,000 was ordered?

2. When PLA militarily annexed Tibet and marching towards Indian frontiers, It was a foregone conclusion that there is going to be military conflict on borders and frontiers as admitted by Nehru. Under such circumstances instead of consolidating the Indian Military, why was it being employed as labor to build residential accommodations instead of preparing for impending wars on borders?

3. After 1950, the Western world and Amerca had already brought Cold War to the subcontinent by bringing CEATO and CENTO on Indian borders in Pakistan. Nehru was pussy faking with Nonalignment to build his personal image. What efforts did Nehru make to counter Cold war military block CENTO.

4. In the heightened Coldwar scenario India not having joined the Western bloc and considered closer to USSR why were CIA activities to liberate Tibet being allowed by Nehru and his coterie? Why was director IB BN Mullik, being allowed to act like super lord of India Tibet border activities? Why did Nehru play a game of double-edged sword placating China as also USA about Tibet?

5. Why Nehru and his lapdog Krishna Menon deliberately and in a planned manner destroyed Indian Military leadership, bullick and downgrade the generals, play favorites and interfere in planning and executions of military operations?

There are many more questions that can never be answered by the Nehru apologists no matter how hard they may try...India China Tibet affairs were personal fiefdoms of a few like Nehru, Menon Bhatia and Mullik - the guilty Men of 1962, The is the truth and truth shall prevail.

 

[doreamon]

Cut the long story short what are the conclusion... ??

Chinese will outnumber and outgun you any day and any time... What matters in air combat superiority ultimately is numbers. Do we have those....

no they ll no be able to .. thats the whole point of that analysis. They ll deploy as many aircraft which can be handled by 5 airbases which does nt provide blast protection fr aircrafts.. All these aircraft ll be performing at 50% capacity .

 

[Gandaberunda]

I’ll put it this way, Indian TV news media is not setup to assist India Progress, they are designed to slow us down or maintain status quo.

might as well skip them all together and use Social media to spread the message.,

Wrong! Indian TV media is setup for TRP race. No matter what they telecast news/ entertainment they run on basis of TRP. Defence news hysteria will fetch them highest TRP for news channels...
A small Face- off at border news channels will make a mountain of a mole, anchors will be standing on Border ( green screen visuals from studio) demonstrating skirmish troops movement n aircrafts and whole scenario to fetch more TRP and this will be shown whole day followed by a debate at night ( debate will be like few mad dogs taking jibe at each other).
Rahul kanwal was prime example how he telecasted imaginary Su-30 downing on Feb 27 with graphics...
TV is business and channels try to fetch lot of money in sensitive times...

 

[Bhadra]

India Tibet LAC Disputed Areas

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[ezsasa]

Wrong! Indian TV media is setup for TRP race. No matter what they telecast news/ entertainment they run on basis of TRP. Defence news hysteria will fetch them highest TRP for news channels...
A small Face- off at border news channels will make a mountain of a mole, anchors will be standing on Border ( green screen visuals from studio) demonstrating skirmish troops movement n aircrafts and whole scenario to fetch more TRP and this will be shown whole day followed by a debate at night ( debate will be like few mad dogs taking jibe at each other).
Rahul kanwal was prime example how he telecasted imaginary Su-30 downing on Feb 27 with graphics...
TV is business and channels try to fetch lot of money in sensitive times...

If it was indeed TRP race, how come They hardly focus on local industry, local jobs & the usual aspects of life that increase prosperity. They just focus on a few industries like automobiles, mobiles and film industry. But we have lots of other industries that need attention.

Hindi channels do it once in a while, english news are worse.

I would argue that while TRP race is obvious, Indian news media has no intention on assisting in India progress. And I say it is by design.

so if and when things get serious on any of our borders, news media should be trusted the least. Might as well depend on SM for authentic information.

 

[Bhadra]

no they ll no be able to .. thats the whole point of that analysis. They ll deploy as many aircraft which can be handled by 5 airbases which does nt provide blast protection fr aircrafts.. All these aircraft ll be performing at 50% capacity .

Chinese will be able to concentrate all air efforts at the place and point of decision. Will IAF able to do that. Can Ambala support Dichu - Kibithu or Can Tejpur support operations at the Karakoram ?
The same is applicable to PLA ground forces who can concentrate on ten divisions at the given place without much notice to be followed by another ten in 72 hours.

Do whatever you may IAF will also not be able to achieve more than 50% serviceability with their aging fleet.

 

[ezsasa]

Chinese will be able to concentrate all air efforts at the place and point of decision. Will IAF able to do that. Can Ambala support Dichu - Kibithu or Can Tejpur support operations at the Karakoram ?
The same is applicable to PLA ground forces who can concentrate on ten divisions at the given place without much notice to be followed by another ten in 72 hours.

Do whatever you may IAF will also not be able to achieve more than 50% serviceability with their aging fleet.

Are you saying you are betting on a neighbouring army who haven’t fought a war in over 50 years?

An army who capabilities are largely promoted by their State propaganda Division, and nobody outside had a chance to evaluate outside of china.

 

[Jor_Se_Bolo_PKMKB]

Chinese will be able to concentrate all air efforts at the place and point of decision. Will IAF able to do that. Can Ambala support Dichu - Kibithu or Can Tejpur support operations at the Karakoram ?
The same is applicable to PLA ground forces who can concentrate on ten divisions at the given place without much notice to be followed by another ten in 72 hours.

Do whatever you may IAF will also not be able to achieve more than 50% serviceability with their aging fleet.

USSR also seemed invincible and pretended to be an economic superhorse till the time it broke apart. China also seems invincible and pretends to be an economic superhorse (although they are much much better off than USSR economically) but the problem with commies is you never know the true reality and if history has ever taught us something it is that the only person who hides is someone who has a lot to hide.

China maybe a Dragon - but for all intents and purpose it can turn out to be a mere paper dragon if push comes to shove. Millions of Indians will line up to sign up for fighting if needed but can you say the same for oppressed Chinese for whom it may be a once in a lifetime opportunity to break free of the oppressive CCP regime

 

[tarunraju]

Under pressure Modi is dangerous too. He will not make idiot moves like Nehru, or retreat. He's very good with resource utilization, and will tap into India's strategic depth to the fullest, even in a limited conflict.

 

[Karthi]

I had said yesterday in this forum that our internal forces are getting more active and begging for a confrontation wishing an adverse outcome for India so that they could bring down Modi. They wish to change the narrative of 1962 basically to exonerate Nehru for the national humiliation. Such efforts though also have been attempted many times including by MoD Babus of IDSA.

Here is the Congressi Press with a Congressi Journalist Manoj Joshi. He has come out with an article to exonerate Nehru in Quint ;

Why Only Blame Nehru For India’s Defeat in 1962 War With China?

Nehru Death Anniversary: In assessing the Nehru era, Srinath Raghavan has said that Nehru well understood the “nature and the limits of power,” and that “moral and political legitimacy was as important as economic and military resources.”

www.thequint.com

The main questions remain to be unanswered.

1. If India was militarily weakened due to division of Army between India and Pakistan and then the Indian Army was fully stretched in J&K due to Pakistani aggression etc, instead of strengthening it why reduction of the strength of IA by 50,000 between 1950 and 1954 was carried out? Why another further reduction of 50,000 was ordered?

2. When PLA militarily annexed Tibet and marching towards Indian frontiers, It was a foregone conclusion that there is going to be military conflict on borders and frontiers as admitted by Nehru. Under such circumstances instead of consolidating the Indian Military, why was it being employed as labor to build residential accommodations instead of preparing for impending wars on borders?

3. After 1950, the Western world and Amerca had already brought Cold War to the subcontinent by bringing CEATO and CENTO on Indian borders in Pakistan. Nehru was pussy faking with Nonalignment to build his personal image. What efforts did Nehru make to counter Cold war military block CENTO.

4. In the heightened Coldwar scenario India not having joined the Western bloc and considered closer to USSR why were CIA activities to liberate Tibet being allowed by Nehru and his coterie? Why was director IB BN Mullik, being allowed to act like super lord of India Tibet border activities? Why did Nehru play a game of double-edged sword placating China as also USA about Tibet?

5. Why Nehru and his lapdog Krishna Menon deliberately and in a planned manner destroyed Indian Military leadership, bullick and downgrade the generals, play favorites and interfere in planning and executions of military operations?

There are many more questions that can never be answered by the Nehru apologists no matter how hard they may try...India China Tibet affairs were personal fiefdoms of a few like Nehru, Menon Bhatia and Mullik - the guilty Men of 1962, The is the truth and truth shall prevail.

Can I copy this @Bhadra

 

[ezsasa]

China is too might.
No one can defeat China.
China has great economic might
China has best Navy.
China will best country.

You all are selectively bombarded with such articles by Left leaning press across the world. This small dose of communism regularly cause fear of China in U

 

[Karthi]

China is too might.
No one can defeat China.
China has great economic might
China has best Navy.
China will best country.

You all are selectively bombarded with such articles by Left leaning press across the world. This small dose of communism regularly cause fear of China in U

A top Kerala Commie leader said India is joined with American Capitalism and Attacking China for no reason .you can't expect much from them

 

[Karthi]

 

[Bhadra]

Are you saying you are betting on a neighbouring army who haven’t fought a war in over 50 years?

An army who capabilities are largely promoted by their State propaganda Division, and nobody outside had a chance to evaluate outside of china.

Well, that is but only a single factor out of thousands that makes the application of military power effective.

By now their Army is of "single child" legacy thanks to Mao and CCP, grown in a protective environment... but all these are minor factors.

One can not calculate on such factor and assume victory by sitting in Delhi... fight we must and in fighting comparative strength of quantities does matter.

 

[Gingo12345]

what is up with the people in this forum and their chest thumping like we're going to march through Lhasa and free Tibet. A lot of people are completely underestimating the strength of the Chinese forces and over hyping both our capability and their economic downturn. People need to analyse this situation with a clear head and not some hot headed ultra nationalist perspective.

 

[IndiaRising]

Chinese ambassador to India..

 

[Butter Chicken]

I guess China has been taken by surprise by rapid deployment of our forces.Thry ordered their slaves to do the same along LoC but it didn't work...de escalation until next opportunity

 

[IndiaRising]

My guess is there is an internal power struggle going on in the CCP. Xi is being cornered by his detractors for failures in the past year that go beyond Covid-19. Currently, the National people’s congress is in session and Xi is stoking flames of war on multiple fronts to save his position otherwise who knows he might just not get a third term as General Secretary.