India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[LETHALFORCE]

max to max, any indo China cannot be prolonged into the winter.

-50 dec c mein kaun sa stand off, that too in peace times.

china has opened may points of conflict that is just one area (that is hot right now)

 

[IndiaRising]

 

[Vishal reddy]

These are the recent camps by the Chinese near LaC.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

 

[Bhadra]

Salary difference between a regular secretary and a chief secretary is miniscule in overall state expenditure.

Your complaints will be valid if posts keep multiplying within a single state and bureaucracy keeps reaching into more and more fields.

But in context of states division extra expenditure on few new posts and higher salary is far negligible compared to overall benefit of state creation.

32crore people in USA are governed by 50 states. While 1360 crore people in India are governed by just 28 states and 9 UTs.( This after laddakh separation).

For This threads context laddakh separation was necessary for national security and minimizing Kashmir area and implications. Some more revenve expenditure is irrelevant in this case.

But even otherwise India needs far more states and far more district units to be Better governed.

UP has more population now then Brazil. MP is as big as Germany in both geography and population.

We are running huge countries as giant states. This is opposite of democracy as local people are neglected. MP capital Bhopal is 500km away from remote districts of MP . It takes over a day for them to even reach capital. It is lucky for a district to be able to see chief minister once in few years as there are 54 districts.

Compare that to Goa or uttarakhand where chief minister most probably lives within 100-150km from you and you might directly know a lot of ministers or through family and friends because they are selected form area very near you.

This makes day to day life governance far better and far more accountable.

This is not germane to this thread but I firmly believe no state should have more than 20 districts so that each district has a minister in state cabinet and no state capital should be more than 200km away from it's borders. So that citizens can reach it within few hours.

Do not change track like a runaway train....
Making administration and governance so costly is no one's case. You are presenting a case as if CM or Secretaries come free and the governed havenots do not foot the bill by their taxes. More the parasites better the health is the only thing you are trying to profess...

There is something called staffing table which lays down what is the optimum size of Bureaucracy for a set of organizations but your IAS, IPS and Other cadres are above the norms.. they excel in creating sets to suit them.

Whatever may be your case .... my point was that bureaucracy of higher ranks increases or is bound to increase which benefits only the cadre.. ,,, not Bhoop Singh on the streets who pays for their salaries and perks...

 

[muralidon924]

Does anybody know where can we view live satellite imagery

 

[IndianHawk]

Do not change track like a runaway train....
Making administration and governance so costly is no one's case. You are presenting a case as if CM or Secretaries come free and the governed havenots do not foot the bill by their taxes. More the parasites better the health is the only thing you are trying to profess...

There is something called staffing table which lays down what is the optimum size of Bureaucracy for a set of organizations but your IAS, IPS and Other cadres are above the norms.. they excel in creating sets to suit them.

Whatever may be your case .... my point was that bureaucracy of higher ranks increases or is bound to increase which benefits only the cadre.. ,,, not Bhoop Singh on the streets who pays for their salaries and perks...

Ok I'll debate it in detail but first take the discussion to any relevant thread. As this has nothing to do with china.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

Does anybody know where can we view live satellite imagery

Try zoom.earth

Its more or less accurate (for free). And for more accurate you have to look for paid solutions.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Heavy movement of Pak Army along the LoC and IB in UT J&K. Heavy movement of PLA along the LAC in Ladakh. IA is ready to create a new history on both front.

We must prepare to support our army and repeat 1965, 1971, 1967, 1984 and 1999.

Now time to use ammun¡t¡0n before expiry

 

[IndianHawk]

Heavy movement of Pak Army along the LoC and IB in UT J&K. Heavy movement of PLA along the LAC in Ladakh. IA is ready to create a new history on both front.

We must prepare to support our army and repeat 1965, 1971, 1967, 1984 and 1999.

Now time to use ammun¡t¡0n before expiry

If this is even remotely true then I can guess what is happening.

Pok is going to be captured. Sacred porkies ran to china and china did this stunt to distract us and buy time for porkies.

But it could just be babaji trolling. BTW. Babaji is singularly focused on pok since weather reporting started there.

 

[cereal killer]

Unprofessional’ Chinese Army used sticks, clubs with barbed wires and stones in face-off near Pangong Tso



Published May 26, 2020 | By admin SOURCE: ANI Even though the Chinese Army claims itself to be a professional force, its soldiers in a recent stand-off with the Indian forces in the Pangosg Tso lake area in Eastern Ladakh sector used sticks, clubs with barbed wires and stones to target Indian security forces’ soldiers there. “The behaviour of the Chinese has been like the Pakistan-backed stone-pelters who use stones and sticks to target Indian security forces in the Kashmir valley. The Chinese troops came armed with sticks, clubs with barbed wires and stones in an area near the Pangong Tso lake during a face-off with Indian troops there,” sources told ANI here. The sources said that during the face-off, the Chinese troops had numerical advantage but behaved like an “unprofessional Army” while showing undue aggression there towards the Indian troops there.Despite the fact that both the Indian and Chinese troops are equipped with assault rifles all along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) from Ladakh to Arunachal Pradesh, bullets have not been fired in the Ladakh region since 1967 to maintain peace and tranquillity in the region. Sources said during the recent face-off, the Chinese troops behaved like “typical bullies” as they surrounded the Indian troops from all sides with the ratio being heavily in their favour and arrived in the particular area like “locust swarms” using the better infrastructure on their side of the boundary. “Contrary to the Chinese behaviour, the Indian side never uses such tactics to push back the Chinese from the areas under us except for the minor shoving and pushing incidents that keep taking place almost round the year,” they said. The Chinese have come to the LAC with more than 5,000 troops in the current stand-off which started around May 5-6 earlier this month and has been there all along up to Sikkim. The Chinese side used the garb of an exercise to amass troops on their side of the LAC and then quickly diverted them towards the Indian side. The Indian side has matched the troop levels of the Chinese side and is not allowing them to carry out any movement in multiple areas. The Indian forces used their heavy-lift transport aircraft to transport troops from other high altitude areas to position troops in the Eastern Ladakh sector. The stand-off is likely to continue as the continuous efforts on the ground are not yielding much.

Huh if that's the case then at least arm the ITBP with these street weapons like Trench raiding clubs & all if no bullets are being fired. ITBP is like a peace keeping force f**k the ethics. These 5 footers have no morals they attack you behind your backs. F**k these chinkies.

 

[Gandaberunda]

If this is even remotely true then I can guess what is happening.

Pok is going to be captured. Sacred porkies ran to china and china did this stunt to distract us and buy time for porkies.

But it could just be babaji trolling. BTW. Babaji is singularly focused on pok since weather reporting started there.

Few more tweets from Baba...
Take the screen shot of this tweet. May be at that time I will not be available here.If armed clashes limited till Ladakh & J&K

"Red M0nkeys" will be on knees within 72 hours.

"S|a√es of Red M0nkeys" will be on knees within 48 hours.

Then ceasefire on intervention of UN.

 

[lcafanboy]

I suppose, first shot fired by Chinese. Flooding of Brahmaputra river......

We need to go for preemptive strikes...

 

[doreamon]

I suppose, first shot fired by Chinese. Flooding of Brahmaputra river......

We need to go for preemptive strikes...

There was a heavy rain following cyclone amphan in brahmaputra valley . dnt sensationalize .. share source

 

[nrj]

In face of startling move by a known aggressor, usually a swift payback on strictly bilateral terms does the trick.

Let's hope this is just another timely due posturing by our bat-soup connoisseurs.

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Not sure if posted before.

After changing Galwan claim line thrice, PLA now claims entire valley.

 

[nrj]

--duplicate--

 

[hammer head]

Heavy movement of Pak Army along the LoC and IB in UT J&K. Heavy movement of PLA along the LAC in Ladakh. IA is ready to create a new history on both front.

We must prepare to support our army and repeat 1965, 1971, 1967, 1984 and 1999.

Now time to use ammun¡t¡0n before expiry

Man the kind of crap such handles are writing these days is just too much to bear!! Firstly nothing is moving across the IB the area is peaceful and only routine movements have been observed. Now coming on to the Chinese side the situation is surely tense and the buildup is huge on both sides, but not to the proportion as being told by some vets with vested interests. 5000 troops on the Chinese side means a Division minus strength. You need proper Key defended localities for such a force level which in times of a skirmish is not possible. which means that they are in tents. The same is true on our side also. Both sides are sitting ducks for long-range vectors and are aware.

 

[Bhadra]

I suppose, first shot fired by Chinese. Flooding of Brahmaputra river......

We need to go for preemptive strikes...

Is Bangladesh going to sink.... That is bad .....

 

[Gandaberunda]

In face of startling move by a known aggressor, usually a swift payback on strictly bilateral terms does the trick.

Let's hope this is just another timely due posturing by our bat-soup connoisseurs.

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Not sure if posted before.

After changing Galwan claim line thrice, PLA now claims entire valley.

This is Chinese art of grabbing territory without firing bullet. They don't want to solve border or demarcate LAC, then keep on changing claims from period to period and slowly encroach territory build infrastructure.
We left it unopposed whenever they tried these tactics over years... After Doklam we aren't going to sit idle to these tactics and Chinese feeling heat

 

[Gandaberunda]

Man the kind of crap such handles are writing these days is just too much to bear!! Firstly nothing is moving across the IB the area is peaceful and only routine movements have been observed. Now coming on to the Chinese side the situation is surely tense and the buildup is huge on both sides, but not to the proportion as being told by some vets with vested interests. 5000 troops on the Chinese side means a Division minus strength. You need proper Key defended localities for such a force level which in times of a skirmish is not possible. which means that they are in tents. The same is true on our side also. Both sides are sitting ducks for long-range vectors and are aware.

Obviously these kind of news is not reliable but neither ajai Shukla. So what are the 80 odd tents Chinese has if there are no personnel in them? They have built Infra for swift transport of troops! The stand off is serious but numbers may be exaggerated!