India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[SavageKing456]

But Ajai Shukla (Congressi by Marriage ) was saying 5000 chinese troops are on Indian side of the chinese claim line in Galwan valley.. Satellite pics and OS INT guy say.. only one enampment of 10 tents is situated almost exactly on LAC...

He even exaggerated on dokhlam issue

 

[Mikesingh]

Feb 27 was highly embarrassing seeing media specualtion and coverage without any official narrative from GoI. When we will start being proactive in information warfare! Atleast set a narrative whenever tension brew up Politicians only care to do political propaganda briskly to score points over rivals but when it comes to Army/GoI they go into hibernation. I&B ministry is waste of time and space and resources!

I have written about this aspect in other threads here. We have given no importance to this important aspect of 5th gen warfare that relates to propaganda and information warfare to accomplish geopolitical, diplomatic, strategic, operational, and tactical objectives.

We sorely need a wing within the I&B Ministry that deals with it on a holistic basis. It's beyond comprehension as to why we are still not according priority to this in spite of the PR disaster post 27th Feb. We need to learn from the Pakis who are past masters in propaganda and 5th generation warfare.

The role, or rather the potential, of the ISPR has been severely underestimated in the Indian strategic circles. It is the crucial pivot of conflict escalation and de-escalation and is tasked to undertake information operations, military deception and strategic communications. We don't have anything even coming close to this setup.

We are going round in circles trying to counter Pak's propaganda which has resulted in our getting a bad press from leading media houses like The Washington Post, Reuters, NW Times, Al Jazeera, BBC and so on. And a bad press means a falling reputation around the world. The PTB may not take much heed of the press but the people who are impressionable do become opinionated.

 

[captscooby81]

There were images from PLA theatre level firing exercise they conducted in April in Tibet region not the latest for sure

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Someone posted this as CCTV footage of Chinese Army moving towards Aksaichin . Not sure about the Authenticity. Chinkies are scared now trying to do some propoganda and pys operations. And for credibility they used CCTV camera, poor piece of PR work

 

[Gshvar]

China is in no condition to begin a long and vast scale skirmish. The rest of the world is already pissed off with China.

What China is doing is

1. Taking preemptive measures by sounding alert at all borders due to whatever they have done in the last 6 months.

2. Telling India to stay out of Hong Kong and Taiwan at the same time claiming all disputed territory and showing might that they are ready and no military action will be tolerated.

3. After this there will be strong support to include India in UNSC, and before that happens, China would want to show India as a weak nation and downgrade Modi's image.

4. Playing diplomatic game on the other hand to expand its soft image, when later today their Foreign Minster made statement of collaborating in finding Covid 19 origin.

At most there could be small skirmish and local area and local command level, series of intrusions , physical scuffle among troops.

China has since decades eyes India's water resources. They want to secure all glaciers and lakes in Himalayas. And towards Indian ocean they want secure all the routes which ensures their goods supply.

Coming to large scale skirmish which is not possible. They might use Pakistan and use Pakistan as buffer to put pressure on India while giving a little squeeze in Aksai Chin. But major scale confrontation with China today is not possible. They will have badly from Indians. Their supplies and logistics can easily be cut by Indian strike and offensive across LAC. In majority of the places, Indians hold the heights and Chinese are sitting ducks.
India needs to go for more heights across Aksai Chin and Chinese will be under constant watch. They won't be able to mount a strike later no matter even if they deploy their J10s. They will be flying ducks against India's SPYDER.

But India needs to remain vigil at both military, cyber and diplomatic fronts from now on.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Here is Snehesh alex Phillips saying that No intrusion into Indian side (as per Chinese claim line) has occurred in Galwan valley.. so.. it was OSINT and publicly available satellite data, not GOI that put paid to Ajai Shukla's lies..

But it looks like he is still trying to save Ajai Shukla's ass, in that he begins the article by saying "The Chinese troops crossed 3 km into what India perceives to be its territory South East of the Galwan Valley in eastern Ladakh."
As if Galwan valley and Hot Spring area .. which is in Chang Chenmo valley at the other end of the LAC, are nearby.

Chinese troops challenge India at multiple locations in eastern Ladakh, standoff continues

The Chinese troops crossed 3 km into what India perceives to be its territory South East of the Galwan Valley in eastern Ladakh.

theprint.in

 

[ezsasa]

I have written about this aspect in other threads here. We have given no importance to this important aspect of 5th gen warfare that relates to propaganda and information warfare to accomplish geopolitical, diplomatic, strategic, operational, and tactical objectives.

We sorely need a wing within the I&B Ministry that deals with it on a holistic basis. It's beyond comprehension as to why we are still not according priority to this in spite of the PR disaster post 27th Feb. We need to learn from the Pakis who are past masters in propaganda and 5th generation warfare.

The role, or rather the potential, of the ISPR has been severely underestimated in the Indian strategic circles. It is the crucial pivot of conflict escalation and de-escalation and is tasked to undertake information operations, military deception and strategic communications. We don't have anything even coming close to this setup.

We are going round in circles trying to counter Pak's propaganda which has resulted in our getting a bad press from leading media houses like The Washington Post, Reuters, NW Times, Al Jazeera, BBC and so on. And a bad press means a falling reputation around the world. The PTB may not take much heed of the press but the people who are impressionable do become opinionated.

there should be opeds after opeds on this topic, it would be favour that Indian civilians would be doing to their future self.

pressuring the Indian security establishment into creating a well funded strategic propaganda department, will reduce a lot of high BP’s that millions of Indian public are going to get for the rest of the decade. when both our neighbours have dedicated propaganda Divisions & we don’t, that is strategic mistake.

India needs to start planning for post Chinese virus world. Making the assumption that rest of century will be similar to post WW2 would be the most irresponsible mistake that indian establishment can ever make.

 

[airtel]

 

[Shashank Nayak]

there should be opeds after opeds on this topic, it would be favour that Indian civilians would be doing to their future self.

pressuring the Indian security establishment into creating a well funded strategic propaganda department, will reduce a lot of high BP’s that millions of Indian public are going to get for the rest of the decade. when both our neighbours have dedicated propaganda Divisions & we don’t, that is strategic mistake.

India needs to start planning for post Chinese virus world. Making the assumption that rest of century will be similar to post WW2 would be the most irresponsible mistake that indian establishment can ever make.

After balakot GOI did approve Information warfare branch of Army.. DG IW .. Dont know what happened.. it seems comatose

Defence ministry approves information warfare branch for Indian army - The Economic Times

The decision taken recently by the ministry is amid fake news being spread on several military matters.

m.economictimes.com

 

[BangaliBabu]

After balakot GOI did approve Information warfare branch of Army.. DG IW .. Dont know what happened.. it seems comatose

Defence ministry approves information warfare branch for Indian army - The Economic Times

The decision taken recently by the ministry is amid fake news being spread on several military matters.

m.economictimes.com

they removed Goat P**n from Pakistani proxy sites of P**nHub

 

[ezsasa]

After balakot GOI did approve Information warfare branch of Army.. DG IW .. Dont know what happened.. it seems comatose

Defence ministry approves information warfare branch for Indian army - The Economic Times

The decision taken recently by the ministry is amid fake news being spread on several military matters.

m.economictimes.com

they did, that’s how the rebuttals are coming about in media in recent years. recent one is the rebuttal to the NDTV news.

but that is still a defensive, we need offence and narratives that are ahead of the game. can’t keep chasing narratives.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

China is in no condition to begin a long and vast scale skirmish. The rest of the world is already pissed off with China.

What China is doing is

1. Taking preemptive measures by sounding alert at all borders due to whatever they have done in the last 6 months.

2. Telling India to stay out of Hong Kong and Taiwan at the same time claiming all disputed territory and showing might that they are ready and no military action will be tolerated.

3. After this there will be strong support to include India in UNSC, and before that happens, China would want to show India as a weak nation and downgrade Modi's image.

4. Playing diplomatic game on the other hand to expand its soft image, when later today their Foreign Minster made statement of collaborating in finding Covid 19 origin.

At most there could be small skirmish and local area and local command level, series of intrusions , physical scuffle among troops.

China has since decades eyes India's water resources. They want to secure all glaciers and lakes in Himalayas. And towards Indian ocean they want secure all the routes which ensures their goods supply.

Coming to large scale skirmish which is not possible. They might use Pakistan and use Pakistan as buffer to put pressure on India while giving a little squeeze in Aksai Chin. But major scale confrontation with China today is not possible. They will have badly from Indians. Their supplies and logistics can easily be cut by Indian strike and offensive across LAC. In majority of the places, Indians hold the heights and Chinese are sitting ducks.
India needs to go for more heights across Aksai Chin and Chinese will be under constant watch. They won't be able to mount a strike later no matter even if they deploy their J10s. They will be flying ducks against India's SPYDER.

But India needs to remain vigil at both military, cyber and diplomatic fronts from now on.

Even if China attacks India and thrashes us..and proves that we are a very weak nation also then also it doesnt help china in any case.

The world will go more against china and these are the times that a war will be the final nail on the coffin of china.

I highly doubt china would do that.

 

[tarunraju]

If India Conduct a MIRV Test in agni 5 this year It Will strategically impact Chinese
this is a Perfect time
DRDO & Isro should collaborate

There's nothing Chinese fear more from India than an Indian SSBN fleet and SLBM tests. I guess much of the Wuhan-Mahabalipuram shitshow was a Chinese attempt to get India to go slow on its SSN/SSBN fleet-building, in return for peace, trade, and diplomatic dog-biscuits such as Chinese approval for blacklisting paki terrorists, etc.

Although we have the range, the most we can pull off is hitting Kunming or Chengdu from a missile launched from land. Hitting Beijing and Shanghai are only a theoretical possibility due to the response time chicoms have.

On the other hand, a volley from even four Indian SSBNs in the East- and South China Seas spells doom for Shanghai, Tianjin, Xiamen, Guangzhou, and Beijing.

Just as Pakis decided in the 1980s that "we must eat grass but have the ability to nuke even far-off Tamil Nadu," India must build an SSBN fleet, event if it causes a major economic crisis.

 

[The Ultranationalist]

Govt should act against the whore of a news channel like rndtv for spreading fake news and propaganda.

 

[muralidon924]

After balakot GOI did approve Information warfare branch of Army.. DG IW .. Dont know what happened.. it seems comatose

Defence ministry approves information warfare branch for Indian army - The Economic Times

The decision taken recently by the ministry is amid fake news being spread on several military matters.

m.economictimes.com

Why declare publicly you have a branch to propagate your propaganda

 

[ezsasa]

Why declare publicly you have a branch to propagate your propaganda

firstly we are a democracy, so everything is public information. Secondly it was not a propaganda division, it was a more like media & SM watch Cell.

 

[Mikesingh]

Why the government is not taking any action against NDTV and India Today which spread the same fake news is because the govt needs a 112 inch chest to do that. The Lutyens media headed by the dynasty still has a lot of sway. These media houses are being funded by them in crores. So it's but natural that they will lick ass to further the Cong agenda by spreading fakery.

 

[ezsasa]

There's nothing Chinese fear more from India than an Indian SSBN fleet and SLBM tests. I guess much of the Wuhan-Mahabalipuram shitshow was a Chinese attempt to get India to go slow on its SSN/SSBN fleet-building, in return for peace, trade, and diplomatic dog-biscuits such as Chinese approval for blacklisting paki terrorists, etc.

Although we have the range, the most we can pull off is hitting Kunming or Chengdu from a missile launched from land. Hitting Beijing and Shanghai are only a theoretical possibility due to the response time chicoms have.

On the other hand, a volley from even four Indian SSBNs in the East- and South China Seas spells doom for Shanghai, Tianjin, Xiamen, Guangzhou, and Beijing.

Just as Pakis decided in the 1980s that "we must eat grass but have the ability to nuke even far-off Tamil Nadu," India must build an SSBN fleet, event if it causes a major economic crisis.

on the wuhan & maha balipuram informal talks, don’t underestimate them.

I think you are looking at the wrong direction, the real message was towards the west. The fact that two Asian giants can talk with each other in an informal setting is a nightmare for the west.

these LAC confrontations & informal summits should not be mixed up. These informal summits are for a different purpose all together.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Why the government is not taking any action against NDTV and India Today which spread the same fake news is because the govt needs a 112 inch chest to do that. The Lutyens media headed by the dynasty still has a lot of sway. These media houses are being funded by them in crores. So it's but natural that they will lick ass to further the Cong agenda by spreading fakery.

I have lost hope now.

Taking preemptive measures by sounding alert at all borders due to whatever they have done in the last 6 months.

Whatever they do, India will not get pressured into halting its infra push in LAC

Telling India to stay out of Hong Kong and Taiwan at the same time claiming all disputed territory and showing might that they are ready and no military action will be tolerated.

We should definitely interfere in SCS, Hong Kong and Taiwan.
We would stay neutral only and only if they cease all support to Pakistan.
Monetary support to Pakistan will mean monetary support to Taiwan.
Militray support to Pakistan will mean Militray support to Taiwan.
Diplomatic support to Pakistan will mean diplomatic support to Taiwan

After this there will be strong support to include India in UNSC, and before that happens, China would want to show India as a weak nation and downgrade Modi's image.

India will never get UNSC, if it ever did I will cut off my dic*
screenshots this

 

[tarunraju]

I think you are looking at the wrong direction, the real message was towards the west. The fact that two Asian giants can talk with each other in an informal setting is a nightmare for the west.

And what was the follow up? "Howdy Modi" and "Kemcho Trump" being media spectacles. The west knows how to restore its writ in the hearts and minds of Indians.

There are really two key triggers to the current pissing-contest and potential moshpit, rock-war, whatever.

1. India cock-blocked predatory Chinese investments into Indian firms as markets tanked due to COVID-19. Chicoms would've mopped up at least $100 billion in assets (which would have generated $1 trillion in value by 2025-2030), and Delhi probably got whiff of the Chinese enticing RIL. In the weeks following the cock-block, RIL sold $10 billion worth stakes to various American firms. And I wouldn't be surprised if the west mopped up tens of billions of dollars worth stakes in just the past couple of months.

2. India echoed the Australian call for the NCoV origin probe.

Chicoms knew of our construction activities in Ladakh for years.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

That shameless P swine even went on tweet saying take back abborgation of Art 370 before Xi ping lands in india or else China will unleash hell . don't know how this guy served in our armed forces and how shamelessly he is tweeting like that on behalf of our biggest enemy . jaichand and Ettaiyapans are very much still walking on this land

I have always wondered why Indians even listen to these idiots. They are a threat to India and very dangerous Anti-Nationals. Just because these Anti-Nationals served in the Military at one point in there life doesn’t make them immune to Criticism, Questioning or even mockery when they themselves are trying to undermine the institution that worked for and got support from. Indian Citizens need to step up and stop propaganda against our miltary forces not just sit in the sidelines.