India China LAC & International Border Discussions

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Behind China’s Aggressive Moves Along The LAC

 

[IndianHawk]

Please read the entire satellite imagery thread. Chinese positions aren't all that it is cracked up to be :

Interesting sat imagery analysis - India's hardly turning the other cheek. Key pts:
1. India constructs a fwd road (not Chinese)
2. China sets up a blocking troop (not India)
3. Permanent structures r by India (not China)

But 9 feet chinaman syndrome

Hehe . I have been saying this all along.
Chinese are out of their depth here. They are not very strong along Indian border . Our build up has put them on defensive.

Remember china can't even take over Taiwan !! To think they have guts to fight India is pure comedy . Lol.

 

[IndianHawk]

Lot of news heard about tawang, is india well gaurding tawang ?

Tawang is a fortess. We have thousands of troops around it. We have bramhos deployed in arunachal and we have sukhoi stationed in tejpur.

Unless Chinese are ready for 1lakh + casualties they won't dare look at tawang. They couldn't even stand at doklam and now we have ultra light howitzer at heights . Lol.

 

[fire starter]

communist scums started supporting China that's why we should we aware of all the fake news that are coming.

 

[IndianHawk]

communist scums started supporting China that's why we should we aware of all the fake news that are coming.

Good it will backfire. When the reality will come forward people will think that modi defeated china again .

 

[fire starter]

This could be one of the reason.

 

[Bhadra]

communist scums started supporting China that's why we should we aware of all the fake news that are coming.

If one looks at the domestic politics of India, resurgent Hinduism coupled with Nationalism as the central narrative is very harmful to Congress. The Left Libarts, The Muslim sucking politicians and corrupted bureaucratic cultures of India. They are not only fighting Modi who has emerged as an icon of Nationalist resurgence not only domestically but internationally too.

Pakistan, China, Nepal, Western press like Newyork times of Liberals in London, Jakir Hussian in Malesia. fake twitters in Arab countries - all are working to defeat the present resurgent Hindu nationalism in India which is obviously a threat to all of them.. many others are quite and just waiting to jump into ant Modi bandwagon depending on the situation...

No one should have any doubt that the NCP and Communist of all shades are anti-Hindu forces to the core in Nepal and worked very hard in making Nepal a "Secular" country...

Answer to this coalition of establishing forces lies in the consolidation of pro-nationalist forces .....

 

[Hiranyaksha]

To my mind Chinese are playing game of Go. India should refrain from firing any bullets. If Chinese are occupying our territory then we should also reciprocate by capturing equal or more landmass somewhere else and then let them fire the first bullet. And keep building up the pressure in the Strait.
This is the battle of patience and perseverance.
We should not involve international community (US) in this. China is the Baniya , remember that.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

To my mind Chinese are playing game of Go. India should refrain from firing any bullets. If Chinese are occupying our territory then we should also reciprocate by capturing equal or more landmass somewhere else and then let them fire the first bullet. And keep building up the pressure in the Strait.
This is the battle of patience and perseverance.
We should not involve international community (US) in this. China is the Baniya , remember that.

I suspect game is completely different than what's shown to be.

It seems like we/India saw an opportunity during Covid-19 crisis and started to build roads aggressively on border areas in calculated move as China is under worldwide pressure.

Obviously China doesn't want India to increase its footprint near border areas.

That may be the reason for China's furor, first got booted from Dokhlam and now India is trying to outsmart them again.

 

[IndianHawk]

 

[Bhadra]

I wish to remind the well informed and discerning members of this forum about one of the strategic objectives of 1962 military aggression that China launched. China had already secured Tibet militarily and obtained Nehrus recognition for Tibet to be part of China. There was nothing much to achieve there. Nehru also worked hard to get China permanent seat of the Security Counsil.

However, under Nehru's larger than life image India was emerging as the key player in international politics in putting together a coalition of leaders for Non-aligned Movement. China was also joining the nonalignment movement to begin with. With the famous Colombo Conference and Wangdung Conference, It was the Nehru along with leader like Bhandarnaike, Suharto, Nasar, Marshal Tito that were emerging as a force to reckon with. Nehru was assuming the stature of the leader of this movement and China was relegated to no position.

It was necessary for China at that moment to demolish Nehru and emerging India. This strategic aim was achieved by the willy Mao and Cho En Lai with a single masterstroke - Military defeat of India with humiliation imposed and forces retreating back. No major chunks of territory held.

With that single masterstroke- Nehru was gone, Non- alignment movement as a force was almost gone and China started emerging as the leader of the third world. USA and USSR could not save India...

I only wish our Nation is able to rise up and face the Chinese bully post-Corona epidemic and not allow China to demolish the image of India.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

To my mind Chinese are playing game of Go. India should refrain from firing any bullets. If Chinese are occupying our territory then we should also reciprocate by capturing equal or more landmass somewhere else and then let them fire the first bullet. And keep building up the pressure in the Strait.
This is the battle of patience and perseverance.
We should not involve international community (US) in this. China is the Baniya , remember that.

If you involve the US, it is the US and China who would gain at India's expense... China would like it too, as that would further establish China as the unchallenged power in Asia, since India had to involve the US on its behalf... and move an increasingly non-polar world, to a truly bipolar format. This would drastically reduce India's choices..

 

[IndianHawk]

I wish to remind the well informed and discerning members of this forum about one of the strategic objectives of 1962 military aggression that China launched. China had already secured Tibet militarily and obtained Nehrus recognition for Tibet to be part of China. There was nothing much to achieve there. Nehru also worked hard to get China permanent seat of the Security Counsil.

However, under Nehru's larger than life image India was emerging as the key player in international politics in putting together a coalition of leaders for Non-aligned Movement. China was also joining the nonalignment movement to begin with. With the famous Colombo Conference and Wangdung Conference, It was the Nehru along with leader like Bhandarnaike, Suharto, Nasar, Marshal Tito that were emerging as a force to reckon with. Nehru was assuming the stature of the leader of this movement and China was relegated to no position.

It was necessary for China at that moment to demolish Nehru and emerging India. This strategic aim was achieved by the willy Mao and Cho En Lai with a single masterstroke - Military defeat of India with humiliation imposed and forces retreating back. No major chunks of territory held.

With that single masterstroke- Nehru was gone, Non- alignment movement as a force was almost gone and China started emerging as the leader of the third world. USA and USSR could not save India...

I only wish our Nation is able to rise up and face the Chinese bully post-Corona epidemic and not allow China to demolish the image of India.

Nehru was a passive fool. But we woke up pretty fast. We defeated pak in 1965 and china in 1967 .

Then we merged Sikkim into India despite Chinese resistance. Then we again nuetered Pak in 1971 while putting Chinese on defensive successfully.

And we tested nuke in 74 purely against china.

We again clobbered Chinese in 1986 -87.

Regarding tibet . Tibet is never secure. A strong India will always be able to disrupt tibet as Chinese landmass is 1500km away from china.

This is why china supports Pak in it's hope to weaken India and keep India focused on western front.

That's why china wants tawang and laddakh so that it can permanently block Indian access to tibet.

All Chinese strategy is rooted in to keep India as away from tibet as possible.

But we are getting more and more dominant on western front every day. Chinese bluff has been called.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

I also suspect China knows India wont do anything drastic until the endless stream of shramik boiz reaches their destination..( 35 lakhs have been transported against an initial estimate of 24 lakh lakh.. and still more than 50 percent of them are still left to be transported to their destinations.. ). An article by Global times had a picture of these migrants walking.. and mocked India to concentrate on lockdown related issues, and not create trouble on the border..

 

[IndianHawk]

I also suspect China knows India wont do anything drastic until the endless stream of shramik boiz..( 35 lakhs have been transported against an initial estimate of 24 lakh lakh.. and still more than 50 percent of them are still left to be transported to their destinations.. ). An article by Global times had a picture of these migrants walking.. and mocked India to concentrate on lockdown related issues, and not create trouble on the border..

China doesn't know shit. Over 200 million chinese are unemployed and begging for food. Global times is a joke. Lol.

It is clearly china which is distracting world from it's corona spreading crimes.

 

[Bhadra]

This already is third week of May and is said to be favorable campaign season though snows finally melt at higher reaches in July - Aug. However this is not the very unfavorable time for OP ALERT which generally takes place every year. Troops and equipment moving forward thus would be achieved without any extra efforts or expenditure.

General all out and all front military confrontations can not be undertaken by any side. What, however, can not be ruled out is a specific point or single place medium density military confrontation which can be sudden, precise, violent and swift. For a defender, that possibility necessitates strong defensive postures all across while concentrating forces at the Chinese week spots to deliver quick, intense, violent, and significant losses on them as part of military response.

All depends on what OFB and DPSUs have delivered to the forces and whether they all have been able to make up the previous twenty years' deficiencies after "Kadi Ninda". Or would they again prove to be the biggest stumbling block in India's military preparedness like always before? After all how many fronts can the IA fight on?

 

[IndianHawk]

This already third week of May and said to favorable campaign season though snows finally met at higher reaches in July - Aug. However this is not the very unfavorable time for OP ALERT which generally takes place every year. Trrops and equipment moving forward thus would be achieved with any extra efforts or expenditure.

General all out and all front military confrontations can not be undertaken by any side. What, however, can not be ruled out is a specific point or single place medium density military confrontation which can be sudden, precise, violent and swift. For a defender, that possibility necessitates strong defensive postures all across while concentrating forces at the Chinese week spots to deliver quick, intense, violent, and significant losses on them as part of military response.

All depends on what OFB and DPSUs have delivered to the forces and whether they all have been able to make up the previous twenty years' deficiencies. Or they again prove to be the biggest stumbling block in India's military preparedness like always before. After all how many fronts can the IA fight on?

Our resereves for 10-15 days warfare are ready . We also have tremendous lifting capability in c17 and c130 to move men and material to leh.

Remember c17 routenly land at doulat beg oldie.

We are more than ready.

 

[IndianHawk]

 

[Shashank Nayak]

All depends on what OFB and DPSUs have delivered to the forces and whether they all have been able to make up the previous twenty years' deficiencies after "Kadi Ninda". Or would they again prove to be the biggest stumbling block in India's military preparedness like always before? After all how many fronts can the IA fight on?

I think OFB stocks are Ok.. Army would have tested them on Paki hordes at the loc extensively..

 

[Bhadra]

Our resereves for 10-15 days warfare are ready . We also have tremendous lifting capability in c17 and c130 to move men and material to leh.

Remember c17 routenly land at doulat beg oldie.

We are more than ready.

That is very good..

I was trying to point out the cost of this effort which would be within allotted budget as the roads are opening...

We know five divisions in ALP can not be air maintained nor about three-division force in Ladakh.
At this juncture of Corona damages, costs would impact the nation...

I can guess that this is going to be hectic summer of for our boys and our engineers and logistics.... That may provide some impetus to the steel and cement industry. God is great that at least there is no food crisis and there is no fuel crisis in the country.. IA is all poised to inch forward...

I expect IA responding very aggressively in ALP and Sikkim to give some pain to the Chinese..