India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[fire starter]

That's why Chinese are rattled.

The tension along Line of Actual Control nothwithstanding, India is doubling down on infrastructure building in border areas. All roads and tunneling projects in border areas will be resumed in the next few days. They had been scaled down because the Covid-19 pandemic

But as India moves towards lifting the natinwide lockdown, the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) has decided to speed up and resume work on all its important projects in the Himalayan Frontier. Next week it is arranging to transport the all-important work force to various projects.

At least a dozen special trains are scheduled to originate from Jharkhand carrying over 20,000 laborourers to different destinations in J&K, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarkhand and Ladakh. The plan is not to waste the limited working season between April and October, espcially in Ladakh.

Labourers from Assam will be transported to Arunachal Pradesh to resume work there. Some of the important ongoing projects in Ladakh are several strategic roads. One of them is the alternate route to Ladakh: The Nimu-Padam-Darcha road is being undertaken across the Sinkunla Pass.

The main axis from Manali to Leh traverses through Rohtang, Barlachla, Lachungla and Tangdangla Passes. The opening of Atal Tunnel (pix) below Rohtang now provides all weather connectivity to Lahaul & Spiti Valley. However, Ladakh still remains cut off during winter.

The existing Padam-Kargil road has been connected to the Nimu-Padam-Darcha Road providing connectivity along Manali-Atal (Rohtang) Tunnel-Darcha-Padam- Kargil alignment. Once Sinkunla tunnel comes up the road will provide all weather connectivity to Zanskar Valley & Ladakh.

Similarly, work on Sela tunnel (see pix) connecting Tezpur in Assam to Tawang is on in full swing. Once done, it will provide all-weather connectivity to the important frontier with China in the Kameng sector .

 

[AMCA]

Starting 3rd week of April, more than 5,000 Chinese soldiers have intruded into five points in Ladakh. PLA soldiers are digging defences, preparing bunkers, moving in heavy vehicles & have even moved artillery guns to the rear to support the intrusion

This is nothing but Kargil 2.0. Government should come out in open about the current situation at LAC. Playing down such incidents won't work and will further aggravate the situation.

According to Manu Pubby there are no more than 500 Chinese soldiers in Galwan.

galwan region: Chinese bunker in finger area, Galwan build-up raise concern - The Economic Times

The incident has brought back memories from the Kargil war, when the Chinese side used the opportunity to build a five-kilometre-long track along the Pangong Tso lake to step up patrolling. The track was completed in record time after Indian troops were pulled out to counter the Pakistani...

m.economictimes.com

Experts believe that recent incidents along LoC, upswing in terror attacks in Valley and transgressions along LAC are linked. All taking place in the first summer after India revoked the special status of Jammu & Kashmir. I report with
@DipanjanET

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

The tension along Line of Actual Control nothwithstanding, India is doubling down on infrastructure building in border areas. All roads and tunneling projects in border areas will be resumed in the next few days. They had been scaled down because the Covid-19 pandemic


But as India moves towards lifting the natinwide lockdown, the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) has decided to speed up and resume work on all its important projects in the Himalayan Frontier. Next week it is arranging to transport the all-important work force to various projects.


Labourers from Assam will be transported to Arunachal Pradesh to resume work there. Some of the important ongoing projects in Ladakh are several strategic roads. One of them is the alternate route to Ladakh: The Nimu-Padam-Darcha road is being undertaken across the Sinkunla Pass


The existing Padam-Kargil road has been connected to the Nimu-Padam-Darcha Road providing connectivity along Manali-Atal (Rohtang) Tunnel-Darcha-Padam- Kargil alignment. Once Sinkunla tunnel comes up the road will provide all weather connectivity to Zanskar Valley & Ladakh.

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

Well well well this is getting a lot more interesting................

.@MEAIndia on South China Sea: considers it "part of Global Commons"; reiterates support for "freedom of navigation & overflight & unimpeded lawful commerce in these int'l waterways;" differences shld be resolved via "legal and diplomatic processes...w/o...threat or use of force"


New Delhi: “The SCS is a part of global commons & India has an abiding interest in peace & stability in the region...We firmly stand w/ the freedom of navigation & overflight & unimpeded lawful commerce in these int waterways, in accordance with int law.

 

[Karthi]

A new and worrying chapter: Ladakh intrusion by Chinese troops gathers momentum.

For the first time since the Kargil intrusions of 1999, Indian territory is in the hands of foreign soldiers. Starting in the third week of April, more than 5,000 Chinese soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) have intruded into five points in Ladakh – four along the Galwan River, and one near the Pangong Lake.

While patrol intrusions from both sides are routine in areas where the Line of Actual Control (LAC) – the de facto border between India and China – is disputed, the LAC in the Galwan Valley corresponds to China’s official claim line.That means that, in sending thousands of PLA troops three-to-four kilometres into the Galwan Valley, China has violated its own claim line and occupied territory that Beijing itself has traditionally acknowledged to be Indian.

This is not shaping up like a routing patrol confrontation, or even a temporary occupation of disputed territory of the kind that took place in Depsang in 2013, or in Chumar in 2014. This time the PLA soldiers are digging defences, preparing bunkers, moving in heavy vehicles and have reportedly even moved artillery guns to the rear (albeit in their own territory) to support the intruders, say the sources.

The Chinese have pitched close to a hundred tents at four points on the Galwan River between Patrolling Point 14 (PP 14) and another location called Gogra.Indian troops in the area were taken by surprise when a large Chinese force crossed the LAC into the Galwan area in late April. Since then, Indian forces have not challenged or confronted the PLA.

Sources say the PLA is expanding its presence. There are fresh reports that the PLA has already initiated another infiltration into another sector in Southern Ladakh.

The Pangong Lake intrusion has been especially bloody for the Indian soldiers there. Sources say 72 Indian soldiers were injured in the confrontation and some of them needed to be flown to hospitals in Leh, Chandi Mandir and Delhi.The PLA intrusions into Ladakh do not appear to be a localized operation, since they are spread across the area of responsibility of different PLA brigades and division. That suggests centralized coordination from at least the PLA’s theatre command.

Contacted for confirmation, senior officers in the army’s public information directorate declined to comment. Sources say the prime minister’s office (PMO) and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval are overseeing the Indian response.

At the local military level, which falls under the ambit of the Leh Corps Commander, there is little contact with the Chinese. It is learnt that the PLA has stopped responding to Indian requests for flag meetings under the mutual protocol termed the “Border Management Posture” (BMP). “It is a stand-off in which there is presently no communication,” says a senior military officer.

The unusual level of Chinese aggression is illustrated by an incident at the end of April when two Chinese helicopter chased off an Indian helicopter in which the Leh Corps Commander was surveying Indian positions near the Pangong Lake.

The army admits that there was an incident involving helicopters from both sides, but states it was a “coincidence” that the Chinese helicopters were there. The Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria admitted in an interview this week that there was Chinese helicopter activity in the area, but claimed that the IAF was taking “necessary action”.

There is little clarity within government about why the Chinese have triggered this intrusion, along with another simultaneously in Sikkim. Some officials speculate that Beijing is punishing New Delhi for publishing a revised map of the former state of Jammu & Kashmir in November, which showed Aksai Chin – which both countries claim, but China occupies – as a part of India.

Another viewpoint holds that the traditionally peaceful Galwan River has now become a hotspot because it is where the LAC is closest to the new road India has built along the Shyok River to Daulet Beg Oldi (DBO) -- the most remote and vulnerable area along the LAC in Ladakh.

Along the 800 kilometre LAC in Ladakh, there have traditionally been just five trouble spots, where the two sides dispute the LAC. These are Chumar, Demchok, Pangong and two places near DBO. The PLA’s ingress into the Galwan River valley opens up a new and worrying chapter.

Source :- Ajai Shukla

This is not going to end up well

 

[cereal killer]

A new and worrying chapter: Ladakh intrusion by Chinese troops gathers momentum.

For the first time since the Kargil intrusions of 1999, Indian territory is in the hands of foreign soldiers. Starting in the third week of April, more than 5,000 Chinese soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) have intruded into five points in Ladakh – four along the Galwan River, and one near the Pangong Lake.

While patrol intrusions from both sides are routine in areas where the Line of Actual Control (LAC) – the de facto border between India and China – is disputed, the LAC in the Galwan Valley corresponds to China’s official claim line.That means that, in sending thousands of PLA troops three-to-four kilometres into the Galwan Valley, China has violated its own claim line and occupied territory that Beijing itself has traditionally acknowledged to be Indian.

This is not shaping up like a routing patrol confrontation, or even a temporary occupation of disputed territory of the kind that took place in Depsang in 2013, or in Chumar in 2014. This time the PLA soldiers are digging defences, preparing bunkers, moving in heavy vehicles and have reportedly even moved artillery guns to the rear (albeit in their own territory) to support the intruders, say the sources.

The Chinese have pitched close to a hundred tents at four points on the Galwan River between Patrolling Point 14 (PP 14) and another location called Gogra.Indian troops in the area were taken by surprise when a large Chinese force crossed the LAC into the Galwan area in late April. Since then, Indian forces have not challenged or confronted the PLA.

Sources say the PLA is expanding its presence. There are fresh reports that the PLA has already initiated another infiltration into another sector in Southern Ladakh.

The Pangong Lake intrusion has been especially bloody for the Indian soldiers there. Sources say 72 Indian soldiers were injured in the confrontation and some of them needed to be flown to hospitals in Leh, Chandi Mandir and Delhi.The PLA intrusions into Ladakh do not appear to be a localized operation, since they are spread across the area of responsibility of different PLA brigades and division. That suggests centralized coordination from at least the PLA’s theatre command.

Contacted for confirmation, senior officers in the army’s public information directorate declined to comment. Sources say the prime minister’s office (PMO) and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval are overseeing the Indian response.

At the local military level, which falls under the ambit of the Leh Corps Commander, there is little contact with the Chinese. It is learnt that the PLA has stopped responding to Indian requests for flag meetings under the mutual protocol termed the “Border Management Posture” (BMP). “It is a stand-off in which there is presently no communication,” says a senior military officer.

The unusual level of Chinese aggression is illustrated by an incident at the end of April when two Chinese helicopter chased off an Indian helicopter in which the Leh Corps Commander was surveying Indian positions near the Pangong Lake.

The army admits that there was an incident involving helicopters from both sides, but states it was a “coincidence” that the Chinese helicopters were there. The Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria admitted in an interview this week that there was Chinese helicopter activity in the area, but claimed that the IAF was taking “necessary action”.

There is little clarity within government about why the Chinese have triggered this intrusion, along with another simultaneously in Sikkim. Some officials speculate that Beijing is punishing New Delhi for publishing a revised map of the former state of Jammu & Kashmir in November, which showed Aksai Chin – which both countries claim, but China occupies – as a part of India.

Another viewpoint holds that the traditionally peaceful Galwan River has now become a hotspot because it is where the LAC is closest to the new road India has built along the Shyok River to Daulet Beg Oldi (DBO) -- the most remote and vulnerable area along the LAC in Ladakh.

Along the 800 kilometre LAC in Ladakh, there have traditionally been just five trouble spots, where the two sides dispute the LAC. These are Chumar, Demchok, Pangong and two places near DBO. The PLA’s ingress into the Galwan River valley opens up a new and worrying chapter.

Source :- Ajai Shukla

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This is not going to end up well

Hearing Chinese are in Big numbers in Galwan Valley. Any Indian response so far?

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Oh damn, i didn't know about wolf warrior. i just read the synopsis.
funny thing is CCP bought out entire hollywood so that they don't portray chinese as villians, Wolf warrior has ex- US Navy Seal as villian. the irony just shot itself in the foot...

In chinese circles, they refer to this as "Wolf warrior diplomacy".. Diplomats like Lijian Zhao are the lead dogs of the pack...

 

[captscooby81]

So what should we do sir , just keep quiet not build roads or bridges when china is building all weather roads across its border , keep sending troops on foot patrol and supplies on back of mules ? If building infra on our side of LAC is making china nervous and making them do these , Then its time we face it rather simply buckling under diplomatic pressure of peace and tranquillity . China without any hesitation needles in kashmir and also in NE and we cant even build infra on our side

Let it ended how ever bad it wants that doesn't mean we don't stop them at all .

This is not going to end up well

 

[Lancer]

"The time to mince words is over. China’s PLA Ground Force has intruded in force in along the Pangong Tso and towards the Shyok in the Galwan valley sector. While the reported numbers of Chinese troop strength are a bit exaggerated, this is far more serious than Doklam."

 

[cereal killer]

This time situation looks very tense. China seems to building up for a limited war. Reports say troop buildup is going on North Sikkim border too. Something is about to happen. Indian think tank need to prepare quickly.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

 

[Assassin 2.0]

What will happen now?

 

[Lancer]

What will happen now?

Hopefully we evict them. It sounds like a warmongering answer, and I'm aware what it means to take on China. But if we don't even draw the line here...

 

[Assassin 2.0]

It is not this or that. Yes, the Pakistanis are feeling the heat on the LoC, yes we are building arteries on our side in Ladakh, yes India is finally pushing back against China on the geoeconomic front. All that is fine. But there is a much deeper logic to China's LAC strategy.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Operation Chequerboard was a high-altitude military exercise conducted by India along the Chinese border in North East India during autumn of 1987.[when?] The exercise was conducted to test Indian military response in the Northeast Himalayan region and the US and Soviet reaction to potential Sino-Indian tensions in the region. The Chinese and Indian armies nearly went to war as both sides patrolled the desolate frontier and skirmishes were not infrequent.

The exercise involved 10 divisions of the Indian Army and several squadrons of the IAF and a redeployment of troops at several places in North East India. The Indian Army moved 3 divisions to positions around Wangdung,[1] where they were supplied and maintained solely by air. These troop reinforcements were over and above the 50,000 troops already present across Arunachal Pradesh.[2] The military exercise coincided with statements from India's Chief of Army Staff Krishnaswamy Sundarji that India recognizes the major boundary differences with China and Indian deployments are intended to give Beijing the benefit of the doubt.

(Need to do something like this now.)

 

[IndianHawk]

What will happen now?

Nothing much we too regularly cross lac and encamp.
No one is going to fight a war with few hundred soldiers . Its just space marking for future claims.

Chinese are also accusing us of being into there area.
We outnumber Chinese by a lot . If they don't back down like doklam they will be severely beaten.

 

[IndianHawk]

The tension along Line of Actual Control nothwithstanding, India is doubling down on infrastructure building in border areas. All roads and tunneling projects in border areas will be resumed in the next few days. They had been scaled down because the Covid-19 pandemic


But as India moves towards lifting the natinwide lockdown, the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) has decided to speed up and resume work on all its important projects in the Himalayan Frontier. Next week it is arranging to transport the all-important work force to various projects.


Labourers from Assam will be transported to Arunachal Pradesh to resume work there. Some of the important ongoing projects in Ladakh are several strategic roads. One of them is the alternate route to Ladakh: The Nimu-Padam-Darcha road is being undertaken across the Sinkunla Pass


The existing Padam-Kargil road has been connected to the Nimu-Padam-Darcha Road providing connectivity along Manali-Atal (Rohtang) Tunnel-Darcha-Padam- Kargil alignment. Once Sinkunla tunnel comes up the road will provide all weather connectivity to Zanskar Valley & Ladakh.

Chinese are fear full that with our infrastructure buildup tibet xinjiang highway is no longer secure. We can take that out easily. So they are doing antics to get India to slow down on infrastructure buildup not gonna happen though.

Chinese will just humiliate themselves like doklam and will have to go back heads down anyway. Lol.

 

[Hijibiji]

IMO, indian forces should bring one or two chinese choppers down to test their mentality We don't raise an army to play kabadi on the mountains and not to fire a bullet in 50 years etc. Let us give them what they want.

 

[IndianHawk]

I think we need to mass mobilize things.
I think we should take US help privately not in publicly as that will show resolve of india is weaker.

If we are able to hold our ground successfully l India position as reliable power will further increase in the region.

We don't need USA to take down china. Mass mobilisation is required for Chinese we already overwhelm them all across the border.

Our power is already increasing that's why chinkies are rattled. We humiliated them at doklam and we are regularly hitting Pakistan deep.

Chinese just want to add some pressure so they can make us soft at who where we hold the lead right now. Rather then pleading like a good bitch Chinese are barking like a bad bitch and now they will be bitchslaped .