India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[right wing]

General medical question, does rope work for a fractured foot? Wouldn't you put support plates or even tree branch to displace off the load to the muscle fiber? What does ties rope does?

Although as docs we don't do it regularly,but fixation of foot can be achieved via ropes and if you wish to lift then a branch would be needed.

 

[IndianHawk]

Oh look now reports are leaking our of ccp. And Hindu is writing against communists.

What is happening

 

[IndianHawk]

Bloody chinkies are now writing made in PRC instead of made in China to fool people.

They are rattled loosing billions everyday and millions of their people are job less.

 

[IndianHawk]

we will do to china worse then Japs and viet's.
Now I am worried for our ladyboys in china.

 

[ninja hattori]

Baggers of porkistan need another 15B usd loan to pay off old loan an avoid bankruptcy.

Those who are thinking about two front war pay attention . Prokies don't have money to eat forget about fuel and ammunition. Lol.

sir,

The ego of Punjabi army is bigger than whole nation for them every pakistani is just a means to achieve there ego satisfaction. They have gone 10 plus times to world bank. They say look at iran even they are fatf black list they are living. They dnt care about economy.The only dream that they have is of 1000 cuts.

Remember there statement.

Ghass kha lenge par bomb banayenge.

Even they deliberately delayed lockdown to spread COVID and get there loans written off.

Imran khan begged on TV with an old coat to show how much poor they are.

They just want money for army folks. Economy jiye ya mare they never cared and they will never ever.

They have just one thought Break INDIA.

Last year they were caught mixing frog meat into real. Now imagine the situation.

EGO of Punjabi army is hurt since 1971

 

[freethinker777]

Baggers of porkistan need another 15B usd loan to pay off old loan an avoid bankruptcy.

Those who are thinking about two front war pay attention . Prokies don't have money to eat forget about fuel and ammunition. Lol.

Lol China must have demanded installment for cpec loan. China knows deep down they are never going to get their money back. It's got in the drain. The begger pakis were planning to buy new bomber jets on PDF ystday.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Lol China must have demanded installment for cpec loan. China knows deep down they are never going to get their money back. It's got in the drain. The begger pakis were planning to buy new bomber jets on PDF ystday.

Chinese think they are taking Pakistanis for a ride... but ultimately it is Pakistanis who will take China for a ride...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese think they are taking Pakistanis for a ride... but ultimately it is Pakistanis who will take China for a ride...

Chinese have put pakis in deep debt projects finish or not pakis have to pay with interest.
will be really interesting to see how pakis can fool their way out of this??

 

[Gandaberunda]

Bloody chinkies are now writing made in PRC instead of made in China to fool people.

They are rattled loosing billions everyday and millions of their people are job less.

Yawn. They have started this from 2014 only.

 

[Tanmay]

Just for fun.
Watch 21:00 till 22:30
He comes across aprrox 4-5 BMP-2 armored vehicles passing by

 

[Akshay Fenix]

The thing is I have a flat foot so a lot is dependent on luck here.

Will take my sad emote back and reiterate, there is no such thing as luck. You take what you want, just like how the China man does it.

*Damn you auto correct!!!

 

[Srinivas_K]

sir,

The ego of Punjabi army is bigger than whole nation for them every pakistani is just a means to achieve there ego satisfaction. They have gone 10 plus times to world bank. They say look at iran even they are fatf black list they are living. They dnt care about economy.The only dream that they have is of 1000 cuts.

Remember there statement.

Ghass kha lenge par bomb banayenge.

Even they deliberately delayed lockdown to spread COVID and get there loans written off.

Imran khan begged on TV with an old coat to show how much poor they are.

They just want money for army folks. Economy jiye ya mare they never cared and they will never ever.

They have just one thought Break INDIA.

Last year they were caught mixing frog meat into real. Now imagine the situation.

EGO of Punjabi army is hurt since 1971

Pakistans project is islamization not Bangladesh revenge.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Snake lobby
Check the person who Rt this
These Chinese paid snakes are working to spread havoc in india.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Maleeha Lodhi, Pakistan’s former Permanent Representative to
@UN
& LSE alumni didn’t hesitate for a second while sharing a fake picture on the floor of the UN, just to malign India.

Do you think a Madrasa educated Pak troll will hesitate in sharing fake Ladakh pics?

 

[ezsasa]

Now i'm confused. if all the fuss is about road being completed from DBO to karakoram, then why are their bikes stuck in "deep slush and mud traps, interlaced with fesh-fesh – the dreaded talcum powder-like sand of the cold desert" on the same road.
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True North: The motorcycle expedition to Daulat Beg Oldie

We rode to Gapshen, skirting the Depsang Plain since the international border disputes and incidents of 2013, have the Chinese Observation Posts in sight, and we did not want to be the cause for yet another border patrol meeting! The road now went on to the crest of the mountain. Putting on the studded tyres and even the ice-cleats on riding boots exhausted everyone as the altitude was well over 17,000ft! The next 60km to DBO turned to pure hell. Snow and ice, followed by deep slush and mud traps, interlaced with fesh-fesh – the dreaded talcum powder-like sand of the cold desert, made up the torture test for the next five hours. Blood pressure readings went off the scale. Mine went up to 160/110 with a pulse rate of 150! Survival is the key here.

True North: The motorcycle expedition to Daulat Beg Oldie

Daulat Beg of Yarkand was worried. The supply of jade that was to form a part of the treasure on his last caravan of the season had arrived finally, after an un

www.fastbikesindia.com

 

[Bhadra]

Chinese actions are extremely risky … If they adopt a more belligerent stance it could complicate a resolution’​

‘Chinese actions are extremely risky … If they adopt a more belligerent stance it could complicate a resolution’

Incursions by Chinese troops in the unsettled boundary zone with India are not unusual. But the recent incursion in Ladakh is widely regarded as extraordinary. DS Hooda, who headed the strategically important Northern command of Indian Army...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

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A few days back we read a hit piece by one former Army Commander. Northern Command, Gen Panag about the military situation in Ladakh. TOI has now published an interview of another former Army Commander Northern Command, Gen HS hood. He very tactfully remained away from any controversy and also remained absolutely non -committal.
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How different is the present situation from the 73 days Doklam standoff of 2017?

To me, it is significantly different. Doklam was a localised crisis, and we were aware of the demands of the two sides; the Chinese wanted to build the road and we did not want that. The red lines were clear. In the current situation, there is no such clarity. There are multiple intrusions, some in areas like Galwan, where there has never been a dispute about the alignment of the LAC. The Chinese intentions also seem opaque, although I must admit that those involved in the diplomatic negotiations would perhaps have a more complete picture.

Last month saw confrontations in Ladakh and Sikkim. What’s China up to, especially near the Ladakh region?

The Chinese motive is obviously to pressurise India. We could speculate on whether it is linked to local tensions along the LAC in eastern Ladakh or to the larger geopolitical power play in which China finds itself under tremendous international pressure. I think the more critical issue is the consequences of Chinese actions. And I think the Chinese actions are extremely risky considering that military pressure by them on the LAC in the past (Chumar, Doklam etc) has not really succeeded. If they adopt a more belligerent stance this time, it could complicate a resolution of the crisis.

Is the construction of the road in Galwan valley, that connects to Daulat Beg Oldi airbase, the trigger for the current standoff?

There is a lot of talk about this road being the trigger for the current standoff. The fact is that this road is not new and has been in existence for a long time. Improvements have been made on the road and a new bridge inaugurated by the raksha mantri last year, but the road was always there. Similarly, there has been a lot of infrastructure development taking place all along the India-China LAC. These objections by the Chinese are just excuses that are given when it suits them to justify their aggressive behaviour.

Do you think diplomacy will work in this situation?

Diplomacy is perhaps the only thing that will work in the current situation. When soldiers face off against each other in a territorial contest, there is very little give on the ground, and therefore meetings between opposing military commanders will yield limited results. It is heartening to read about the recent conciliatory statements of the Chinese ambassador and let us hope that diplomatic negotiations can find a path out of the current standoff. However, I do think that it could be a long haul.

What, according to you, is the permanent solution to the standoffs?

The permanent solution is obviously to come to a common understanding of the LAC by demarcating it on maps that can be ratified by both sides. If that happens, there will be no ‘differing perceptions’ of the LAC that result in faceoffs and transgressions. This will require a little give and take by both sides but will result in an immediate calming of the borders. Unfortunately, there has been some reluctance on the Chinese side, and this gives rise to a suspicion that they wish to continue using the border as a pressure point on India.

President Xi Jinping has ordered the PLA to scale up its battle preparedness. At the same time, China has cited Covid-19 for its decision to evacuate its citizens from India. What is your assessment?

I don’t think that President Xi’s address to the PLA or the decision to evacuate its citizens is a message directed explicitly towards India. I think it is a message that conveys to the world that there are rising geopolitical tensions, in particular the US-China cold war and that Beijing is fully prepared to meet what the president called “worst case scenarios”.

What’s your assessment of the Nepal government’s aggressive posture towards India?

Any differences that India has with its neighbours will undoubtedly be exploited by China, and so it is for us to bridge those differences directly with our neighbours. The border issue with Nepal in the Kalapani area is not new, and both countries should look to resolve this mutually without bickering and ascribing motives. India and Nepal have very strong social and cultural linkages and a very special relationship that can provide the basis for an acceptable resolution of the problem.

 

[Bhadra]

Now i'm confused. if all the fuss is about road being completed from DBO to karakoram, then why are their bikes stuck in "deep slush and mud traps, interlaced with fesh-fesh – the dreaded talcum powder-like sand of the cold desert" on the same road.
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The story is at least four years old.

The earlier road alignment in Shyok used to follow river bed which used to be washed off due to floods and cloud bursts in Shyok river and avalanches in winter. Now a new alignment has been laid on the Western slopes of the river.

Slush etc are due to blacktopping not completed as yet. Only formation cutting and dirt roads exist at higher reaches.

The white soil or soda is actually salt ash, the reminder that Ladakh once was a sea bed due to which there is a lot of salt or Soda ash on the upper soil layer. In fact if one goes towards East of Depsand plains towards Kunlun there is large flat plate plains called Soda Plains as white as Run of Kuchh.

 

[Indrajit]

From the words used, Gen Hooda appears to be concerned about the situation which would mean he sees a real cause for worry and it’s isnt as simple as some are making it out to be.

On a related note, I would hope that we stop asking for the LAC to be demarcated etc except at closed doors official talks where such discussions may be pertinent. Otherwise, it looks like us whining. If the Chinese don’t want it, no reason to let on that we want it any more than they do. Senior military officers, retired or otherwise also should not be saying “diplomacy is the only thing that will work...” even if that was true. Leave that to the diplomats, unless military diplomacy is what is being spoken of. Worrying about Chinese belligerence is pointless, they will only stop when that no longer works for them. Some Indian belligerence may well be necessary.

 

[Sanatani]

The thing is I have a flat foot so a lot is dependent on luck here.

See a good PM&R doctor. If it's flexible flat foot , something can be done but if it's rigid flat foot then leave it on luck.

 

[Kharavela]

What transgression ? That's our territory, entire Aksai Chin. Plain & Simple.
If not today, tomorrow or any day we will take our land into rightful possession.