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Bhadra

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From the words used, Gen Hooda appears to be concerned about the situation which would mean he sees a real cause for worry and it’s isnt as simple as some are making it out to be.

On a related note, I would hope that we stop asking for the LAC to be demarcated etc except at closed doors official talks where such discussions may be pertinent. Otherwise, it looks like us whining. If the Chinese don’t want it, no reason to let on that we want it any more than they do. Senior military officers, retired or otherwise also should not be saying “diplomacy is the only thing that will work...” even if that was true. Leave that to the diplomats, unless military diplomacy is what is being spoken of. Worrying about Chinese belligerence is pointless, they will only stop when that no longer works for them. Some Indian belligerence may well be necessary.
Chinese have secured the territory they consider necessary for their national security. Under present circumstances, when they do not perceive a major threat to China- India LC and Tibet why should they recognize and formalize any border? China by national character is Asiatic Despot. By Civilisational values, they are expansionists and Imperialistic. They believe in Mainland and outer periphery... Hence they would not like to bind themselves against futuristic expansion particularly when they have very grand dreams and ideas about themselves. Their ambitions are very clear and they do work towards realizing those ambitions.

Out of their 14 land border neighbors, India is the largest having the largest Army, with capable national resources, and capable of giving them competition in all fields. Why should then they loosen their grip on the insecurity of India caused by instability of borders? They laid quite for a century on the issue of Tibet with the British, They ignored and remained unresponsive to their proposals to settle boundaries of Tibet with India. They consider India as the successor of the British Empire and Imperialism and must attempt to take back their perceived losses from Inda. That is their national perspective and narrative.

India thus has no choice but to consolidate their military position on LAC and remain ready to strike at the opportune time.India should also a long term perspective on Our country and take back what Chinese have taken from us by military aggression = First Aksaichin and second- Liberation of Tibet. The former is a constitutional position of India and hence part of our stated national interests. We have promised that land to our country and no one can surrender that except the Communists in India. Let it be another fifty years but we can not let it go.

The question of LAC is but a temporary settlement that would benefit India. We should not hesitate and keep pricking Chinese on that issue as a step towards realizing our final national interests. We must insist on other relations with China being linked to it. India must use the issue of LAC settlement as a coercive diplomatic tool against China but for that the diplomats and the Indian Army will have to work hand in gloves with each other. Indian Army's stance along LAC must become a coercive and an effective tool of diplomacy.
 
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Sorry Bhai log, got a call, have to leave.
Our forces be it ITBP, IA, IAF or Navy are well trained to tackle and defend our borders. Cheeni *will* blink and move back.
Will definitely come back to DFI, may take a longer time this time, may be a year or 2. Till then bye, love u all.
Jai Hind:india:
Wait are you active duty? Good luck dude! God speed.
 

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sir,

The ego of Punjabi army is bigger than whole nation for them every pakistani is just a means to achieve there ego satisfaction. They have gone 10 plus times to world bank. They say look at iran even they are fatf black list they are living. They dnt care about economy.The only dream that they have is of 1000 cuts.

Remember there statement.

Ghass kha lenge par bomb banayenge.

Even they deliberately delayed lockdown to spread COVID and get there loans written off.

Imran khan begged on TV with an old coat to show how much poor they are.

They just want money for army folks. Economy jiye ya mare they never cared and they will never ever.

They have just one thought Break INDIA.

Last year they were caught mixing frog meat into real. Now imagine the situation.

EGO of Punjabi army is hurt since 1971
He(Imran Khan) also was saying owing to the covid 19 situation, the world should write off debts to countries like Pakistan, India etc...LOL!! He used Pakistan and India in the same sentence. I was like what the F? They really think they are similar to us economically.
How does the world treat these guys remotely seriously? Their FM tweets pics of porn stars as victims. Their science and technology minister makes fun of Indian projects like a nursery kid. Every time they feel cornered, they start shouting ‘bumb’, ‘bumb hai humare pass’🤦🏽‍♂️
 

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Chinese have put pakis in deep debt projects finish or not pakis have to pay with interest.
will be really interesting to see how pakis can fool their way out of this??
And there's another coming up. In May 2020, the Pakistani government signed a $14 billion joint venture contract with China Power and Frontier Works Organisation (FWO) for the construction of the Daimer Basha dam in KPK/GB. That dam is going to be owned by the Chinese as Paki's will never be able to pay the loan back. $14 billion estimate in 2013. About $20 billion at today's estimates and approx $25 billion by the PDC! Meaning Rs 250,000 crores PKR by the time it's complete!! Now that's more zeros than those in Imran's head!

So obviously the dam will belong to China provided the Chinese can dish out this enormous amount too for completing the construction! If they cannot due to paucity of funds then it's going to be a white elephant - a massive non performing asset!!
 

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Reports of heavy artillery and armoured units from the PLA side. I’m sure we have some aromered units set up there too. In response. Saw some videos by baba of IA t90s at LAC.

 

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And there's another coming up. In May 2020, the Pakistani government signed a $14 billion joint venture contract with China Power and Frontier Works Organisation (FWO) for the construction of the Daimer Basha dam in KPK/GB. That dam is going to be owned by the Chinese as Paki's will never be able to pay the loan back. $14 billion estimate in 2013. About $20 billion at today's estimates and approx $25 billion by the PDC! Meaning Rs 250,000 crores PKR by the time it's complete!! Now that's more zeros than those in Imran's head!

So obviously the dam will belong to China provided the Chinese can dish out this enormous amount too for completing the construction! If they cannot due to paucity of funds then it's going to be a white elephant - a massive non performing asset!!
The Pakistanis will some how back stab the Chinese just like they did the US in Afghanistan .

The Chinese are never getting that money back. :rofl:
 

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The Pakistanis will some how back stab the Chinese just like they did the US in Afghanistan .

The Chinese are never getting that money back. :rofl:
Will then Chinkis will own Pakistan. And Pakistan will be a colony of CCP. Which is a bad thing for India.
 

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I guess Porkies will backstab chinkies in future. China ain't getting nothing from porkies. China can't do shit.
Eventually they will look upto India to liberate them after being mercilessly treated by the Chinkis.

Meanwhile the top generals and rich people (including the mullas) will already been have fled to other countries, leaving the poor to suffer.
 

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Eventually they will look upto India to liberate them after being mercilessly treated by the Chinkis.

Meanwhile the top generals and rich people (including the mullas) will already been have fled to other countries, leaving the poor to suffer.
Aaand we should care why? They chose this. Not us. This will eventually happen, it’s already happening. Most of the paki elite are either in London or the US.
 

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Will then Chinkis will own Pakistan. And Pakistan will be a colony of CCP. Which is a bad thing for India.
They first went to world bank for loan but was refused because we objected.

I am no expert on international finance and law, but short of arbitration, sanctions and confiscating international Pakistani property, what really can the Chinese do? .

The US will happily side with the Pakistanis.

They could still lease out port like SriLanka did , but i think they are too clever for that.I think they will extract as much military/financial value as possible , while keeping the Chinese at a distance.
 
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