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Gandaberunda

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Interesting did they abandon that torched APC?
Looks like one of vehicle was somewhat captured by satellite pic. In subsequent satellite pic, it was moved. #PangongTso

 

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I have the closed ones. Which won't do any good either ways. Rest is something that a thorough analysis of open sourced information, including and not limited to the Raksha Mantri's interview, will make self apparent rather quickly.



Sigh. The redacted portion.

I pose questions so that members think for themselves. A contrarian post is meant to try and evoke a thought out response, as opposed to a jingoistic irrationality covered in garb of 'patriotism'. Contrarian view point is not always necessary meant to oppose.

Somebody rightly defined it - I play the devil's advocate.
Verbose eloquence doesn't sheath 'mischievous concernment' as playing the devils advocate dear friend. You are most welcome to present OSINT or any similar or dissimilar datum as proof of our arguments. Jingoism for the red shirts, here we weaponize that for use against our enemies.

Cheers Mate! :india2:
 

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Chinese military expands high-altitude arsenal to address threat on China-India border
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/5/31 18:28:41
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China reveals its new long range multiple rocket launcher at the National Day parade on October 1. Photo: IC



Since the Doklam standoff with India in 2017, the Chinese military has expanded its arsenal with weapons like the Type 15 tank, Z-20 helicopter and GJ-2 drone that should give China the advantage in high-altitude conflicts should they arise, Chinese analysts said on Sunday.

China's Type 15 tank made its public debut at the National Day military parade on October 1 last year.

With a powerful engine, the Type 15 lightweight main battle tank can effectively operate in plateau regions difficult for heavier tanks, and with its advanced fire control systems and 105 millimeter caliber armor-piercing main gun, it can outgun any other light armored vehicles at high elevations, the experts told the Global Times on Sunday.

China's most advanced vehicle-mounted howitzer, the PCL-181, also debuted at the parade.

At 25 tons, the PCL-181 is lighter, faster and can endure longer than the previous 40-ton self-propelled howitzer on crawler tracks.

It can digitally deploy its gun at the press of a button, with automatic calibration and semi-automatic reloading.

Both the Type 15 tank and the PCL-181 howitzer were displayed in the high-elevation plateau region of Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region in a China Central Television report on military exercises in January.

Another new weapon which debuted at the parade was a multiple-rocket launcher system, which uses an 8x8 wheeled high-mobility chassis and carries two sets of four 370-millimeter rockets, making it viable for high-altitude deployment, according to publicly available reports.

In the air, China unveiled the Z-20 utility helicopter at the parade. This medium-lift helicopter can adapt to all kinds of terrain and weather and can be used on missions including personnel and cargo transport, search and rescue and reconnaissance.

The Z-20 can operate in oxygen-depleted plateaus thanks to its powerful homemade engine, Chen Guang, vice general manager of Avicopter, the helicopter branch of Aviation Industry Corporation of China that developed the helicopter, told the Global Times previously.

Joining the Z-20 is the modified Z-8G large transport helicopter displayed at the Fifth China Helicopter Exposition held in Tianjin in October.

Focusing on plateau operations, the Z-8G is the first of its kind in China and can take off from 4,500 meters above sea level with a ceiling higher than 6,000 meters.

At Airshow China 2018, the Chinese Air Force unveiled the GJ-2 armed reconnaissance drone, which has a higher ceiling and can carry more payload than the previous GJ-1. Reports said it can be used to patrol the long border in high-altitude areas like Tibet.

These specially designed weapons have boosted the Chinese military's combat capabilities in high-altitude regions, enabling it to better safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity, Chinese analysts said.

Border incidents have recently occurred between troops of China and India.

Chinese border defense troops have bolstered border control measures and made necessary moves in response to India's recent, illegal construction of defense facilities across the border into Chinese territory in the Galwan Valley region in May.

Indian media reports said China recently deployed 5,000 more troops to the border area with India, and diplomats of the two countries have started talks on a peaceful resolution.

Chinese Defense Ministry spokesperson Ren Guoqiang said Friday at a regular press conference that the Chinese border defense troops are devoted to safeguarding peace and stability in the border regions and that the overall situation along China-India border was stable and under control.

The two countries are capable of resolving border issues through dialogue and negotiations, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said on Wednesday.



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So the message has arrived folks.
1. Armor: Pl-15 Light tank, PCL-181 howitzer.
2. MBRL: As we anticipated, PLH-16 (300mm) guided rockets.
3. Chinese copy of Blackhawk (Z20) ... man they are fond of western warfare equipment's.
4. Drone recon. (anticipated) (will be dropped like a fly later using EW)
5. They will deploy J10 and J11s too there... soon (anticipated)

Double standards again by CCP, claiming now Galwan valley is there's. :facepalm:
Man they need to be taught a lesson big time by IA.
 

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It doesn't make sense.

Major Chinese news outlets is still silent about what's going on along the border, it's clear that a military conflict with India is not something to be expected and to be made public soon.

It's something that India forced on China, just like what happened in 2017, and just like in 2017 PLA can't stand down.

I guess India picked China because Modi figures that China is mature and more restraint in using military force, no surprise to be expected even if a war breaks out, hence things won't get out of control.
Since when China has started doing a favor to others.... :pound: :pound: :pound:

Making a virtue out of your sins.....

Come any day... we are waiting since a long time...
 

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So the message has arrived folks.
1. Armor: Pl-15 Light tank, PCL-181 howitzer.
2. MBRL: As we anticipated, PLH-16 (300mm) guided rockets.
3. Chinese copy of Blackhawk (Z20) ... man they are fond of western warfare equipment's.
4. Drone recon. (anticipated) (will be dropped like a fly later using EW)
5. They will deploy J10 and J11s too there... soon (anticipated)

Double standards again by CCP, claiming now Galwan valley is there's. :facepalm:
Man they need to be taught a lesson big time by IA.
So Chinese are blinking first after PLA got thrashed and humiliation video leaked....
GoI and Army has played it smart deliberately or unintentional ( video leak ) to extract CCP cards next they start overtly threatening if stand off continues...
Also forget to highlight Indian side. Has
inducted Chinook, Apache & M 777 ultra light howitzer and 2 whole regiment divisons just for mountainous warfare! Arunachal scouts.
 

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i request to every one , its time when we need to keep ready and make sure our all indian must be ready for few things .

blood donation
money donation
youth must be ready to join forces

mother india is calling , rakth se sanan karne ka time kabhi bhi aa sakta hai .

Be ready it may in 48 hours or 4 months but be ready .

desh ko tyar karo yudh ke liya
 

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Chinese nibbas are crying that this conflict is created by mudi
Looks like next time Chinese will say that hindu extremist are fighting to give freedom to tibet.
Chinese and Pakistan are mentally equal to each other both are blocked to the world now Chinese only need one Djispr type identity so that we can troll them daily.
 

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i request to every one , its time when we need to keep ready and make sure our all indian must be ready for few things .

blood donation
money donation
youth must be ready to join forces

mother india is calling , rakth se sanan karne ka time kabhi bhi aa sakta hai .

Be ready it may in 48 hours or 4 months but be ready .

desh ko tyar karo yudh ke liya
If we manage to drag the battle deep into Aksai Chin & end up cutting that road I hope GOI inducts youth soldiers with basic AK 47 knowledge (Train them for 7 days max) & push them in Xinjiang & liberate it. While main forces push towards Lhasa. Damn what a sight it would be.
 

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Type 15 helicopter
Harbin Z-20, complete ripoff of the UH-60 Black Hawk.
The story behind this is quite interesting, back in the 80s when US-China relations were good, the Chinese conducted high altitude tests of several western helicopters including this one, the UH-60 Black Hawk emerged as the winner and PLA bought 24 UH-60 Black Hawk from them.
Later they reverse engineered them to make the Harbin Z-20
 

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Harbin Z-20, complete ripoff of the UH-60 Black Hawk.
The story behind this is quite interesting, back in the 80s when US-China relations were good, the Chinese conducted high altitude tests of several western helicopters including this one, the UH-60 Black Hawk emerged as the winner and PLA bought 24 UH-60 Black Hawk from them.
Later they reverse engineered them to make the Harbin Z-20
Typo I was going write Type 15 light tank😜
 

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The bold. Not likely.
I have seen you advocating the doom of IAF in hands of PLAAF more than once. Although I don't completely buy the high-altitude-takeoff-disadvantage of PLAAF, yet I don't see any reason for complete PLAAF superiority vis-a-vis IAF.


Yes, I understand we might not be able to take on complete PLAAF, or maintaining air-superiority over Xinjiang because of the same limitations faced by PLAAF itself (stretched far away from the friendly territory, AD/Jamming rich environment + fuel issues).
What my current analysis and understanding tells me unless PAF also joins the game, we will be able to maintain superiority over ladakh & eastern sector.

Will like to know your views.
 
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