India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[scatterStorm]

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This is more weird pink uniform ?
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And this what is this ?

Maybe, leg day? They all look same to me, its like natural camo.

 

[scatterStorm]

Completely off the topic but how many AMRAAM did the pakis fire at the su30..!?
A link would be appreciated

I do heard our previous air chief marshal saying 10 to 12 amraam to a youtube interview.

 

[Yeloblu]

India’s newest strategic partner – the US – has already been helping out with vital intelligence and satellite imagery that give military planners clarity on the border situation. Sources said that the US has invited India to share a list of all requirements with a commitment to be of assistance at the earliest.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[muralidon924]

Was watching zee news and they compared pictures of 3 gorges dam or what ever chinese build in 2008...

It was straight line in 2008 and 2020 is zig zag....did they compromised on build...

Zee news is fake news stop watching it they reported nano gps in 2000 rupee note. Basically they report whatsapp forwards

 

[scatterStorm]

not so much interested in Rafale as a bomber aircraft(for now) but rather as a ELINT grabber.

Does anyone have any info on ELINT capabilities of Indian rafales?

AFAIK, @BON PLAN know much better about this.

 

[Godhimself]

lol what happened to him seems like he didn't got his payment.

One tweet in favor of bhakts, another one in favor of piddis

*Paisa hi paisa hoga meme*

 

[Blue Water Navy]

This is the problem of gaining knowledge through whatsapp and twitter ! Its always half baked and in some cases outright false.

India at the present moment cannot recognize Taiwan.
Why ? Because Taiwan considers itself as original China. Essentially when the rebels broke away from main land - they established Taiwan on the pretext that mainland was party driven country and that Taiwan represented the true Chinese culture and traditions.
Why is that important ?
Taiwanese claims on Indian land is no different that Chinese claims on Indian land. Even Taiwan claims Arunachal Pradesh to be part of the original China. Till atleast 15-20 years back their envoy used to main the same.

So if we were to recognize Taiwan , essentially it means we are legitimizing claims on our territory. The only way we can recognize Taiwan is if it voluntarily stops making these claims.

Indian diplomats are very good - if India has not moved on a particular direction then there will be some reason.

The thing is we can negotiate for those lands. And if we recognize Taiwan then surely they can come to an understanding as well. And for Taiwan to actually control China for to claim India's land is also far fetched.

 

[ladder]

On the point of hypothermia in galwan area, may be IA & ITBP should consider equipping troops going on patrols along the river be given something like this. these are used by fishing enthusiasts. they go waist high, and are insulated so that people can fish while standing in the middle of cold lakes.

I think I saw PLA officers wear them in some of the galwan videos.

Only option is emergency purchase. Else, it will turn up like below

Army to finally get better sports shoes after several delays

The defence ministrys Directorate General of Quality Assurance has given Bulk Production Clearance to Liberty Shoes Limited in March this year for providing 80,000 pairs of its sports footwear for extensive field trials.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Yeloblu]

True ?

 

[ezsasa]

India’s newest strategic partner – the US – has already been helping out with vital intelligence and satellite imagery that give military planners clarity on the border situation. Sources said that the US has invited India to share a list of all requirements with a commitment to be of assistance at the earliest.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

western MIC better use this opportunity to prove that their military tech has an edge over Chinese MIC.

There is no better stamp of approval than getting them tested in battlefield conditions.

 

[garg_bharat]

Does our recognition of PRC aka the CCP that rules mainland automatically means we recognize and legitimize their claim over Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh.
Don't we recognize Pakistan as sovereign power even though it claims whole of Kashmir?
And should we derecognize Nepal due to contesting claim over Kalapani et al.?

What is the benefit in recognising Taiwan. None.

PRC and ROC are basically result of unfinished civil war. Eventually one side is going to win. We hope ROC is the winning side. Though payoff for us is difficult to see.

We get payoff only if Tibet is free. And neither PRC nor ROC are in a position to claim it.

 

[Yeloblu]

western MIC better use this opportunity to prove that their military tech has an edge over Chinese MIC.

There is no better stamp of approval than getting them tested in battlefield conditions.

Also a good opportunity for them too woo India away from Russian junk.

Once indians get taste of good quality western hardware , they wont be too keen on going back to Russia.

China will be Russia's only big ticket customer and Chinese will use it to bend Russians backwards

We have already seen it happen with MMRCA and K30-BIHO .

If Russians are smart , which I think they are . they should be doing something about this.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I am not sure what you mean. India will have to take out important military targets in Pakistan, which may be located in depth.

My response was towards the assumption of all-round destruction of Pakistan due to a full-fledged Indian attack upon them. That will not be the case. Due to our reduced operational preparedness because of the ongoing crisis which includes -

• Increasing COVID cases in India.
• Indian govt. having to redirect the funds & resources on both war & healthcare front.
• China opening multiple fronts, as well as committing a significant amount of forces.
• Incoming monsoon adversely affecting our supply routes.
• Our allies and anti-China coalition too reeling under COVID to effectively help India either economically or militarily.

Our response on the Pakistani front will be defensive. In fact, our whole posture will be defensive I predict. (note to people crying why we are not attacking and snatching F4 from China @Gandaberunda)

Yes, this may include strategic airstrikes as well as cruise missile strikes to incapacitate Pakistani infrastructure as well as a warning to them of overwhelming cost should they plan to attack us. So, any land grabbing either in case of Sindh or PoK/GB is postponed.
Moreover, Pakistan is also overwhelmed with COVID and I believe they too, will prefer not to mobilize completely if not required.

 

[ladder]

What is the benefit in recognising Taiwan. None.

PRC and ROC are basically result of unfinished civil war. Eventually one side is going to win. We hope ROC is the winning side. Though payoff for us is difficult to see.

We get payoff only if Tibet is free. And neither PRC nor ROC are in a position to claim it.

You may be correct. I am not arguing about the benefits of recognizing Taiwan. But, the contention that if we may do so, then it is equivalent to legitimizing their claim over Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh.

 

[captscooby81]

Do we still have those 160mm Mortar in our inventory ? these may come very handy in places like galwan valley to fire short distance on PLA thugs .. I don't remember when was the last time we used that one in action.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

LOL More Modi Politics cooking..

 

[Shaitan]

 

[mist_consecutive]

I think Chinese can control the inflowing galwan river water levels from their catchment area, coz they been doing it elsewhere "illegally". but only to some extent. you cant tame mother nature.

Doubtful. Such projects require time. A dam in that narrow gorge of Galwan essentially requires drilling into the mountains & hard bedrock to lay the foundation of the dam. Also, the dam has to be high enough to accommodate the occasional influx of colossal flood water.

 

[garg_bharat]

Also a good opportunity for them too woo India away from Russian junk.

Once indians get taste of good quality western hardware , they wont be too keen on going back to Russia.

China will be Russia's only big ticket customer and Chinese will use it to bend Russians backwards

We have already seen it happen with MMRCA and K30-BIHO .

If Russians are smart , which I think they are . they should be doing something about this.

Well Russia sells a lot of defence equipment. Many countries buy it. I do not buy your argument.

We buy from Russia as the equipment is good enough not the best, and our technicians are able to maintain it.

Though you will see more and more local manufacture.

 

[ARVION]

Do we still have those 160mm Mortar in our inventory ? these may come very handy in places like galwan valley to fire short distance on PLA thugs .. I don't remember when was the last time we used that one in action.

No they have been retired long ago