Civil war in Ukraine

[go_tango]

I have already spoken. We have not started this war. This war - for us Patriotic war.

hmmm.. PATRIOTIC WAR against your own fellow brothers and sisters..!lets hope UKRAINE wins it at the cost of the blood of DONBASS denizens..!! GLORY GLORY

 

[sorcerer]

Russia to halt nuclear cooperation with US next year: Report

Russia has reportedly informed the United States that joint efforts to secure nuclear materials on the Russian territory cannot continue next year.

According to US officials, Sergey V. Kirienko, the head of Russia's state nuclear company, has conveyed the message to senior Obama administration officials, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

Russia and the United States are at loggerheads over Ukraine and a number of other issues. Washington accuses Moscow of orchestrating an "illegitimate referendum to annex Crimea" and fuelling unrest in eastern Ukraine.

Moscow has dismissed as "nonsense" claims that Russian special forces are fomenting unrest in Ukraine.

It seems the new development is a byproduct of the downturn in relations between the two nuclear powers, but the Kremlin is also apparently concerned about American nuclear experts accessing its nuclear sites.

The joint effort began in 1991 amid fears that the collapse of the Soviet Union would make its nuclear weapons vulnerable.

Moscow also announced last week that it could boycott a 2016 security summit hosted by the US president.

"There is a real danger that 20 years of US-Russian cooperation to secure nuclear material will simply stop at the end of this year, and some of the gains we have made could slip away," said Matthew Bunn, a Professor of Practice at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government.

During the administration of Bill Clinton, Bunn supervised a secret government study on protecting nuclear materials in Russia.

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PressTV - Russia to halt nuclear cooperation with US next year: Report

 

[sgarg]

No I can't see. I am not a supporter of the current government. About the part of corruption you have a primitive reasoning (is superficial). It happened because of bureaucratic socialist system was shifted from the capitalist system. On this topic, a thesis to write.
What solution do you suggest to solve this problem?

First is this war need to be stopped. Second give the autonomy to eastern provinces. Though I doubt trust can come back now after so many deaths.

Massive downsizing of Ukr government. Pruning of pensions and military expenditure.

Re-nationalization of banking industry.

Complete focus on development and civilian industry - just like what happened in Japan and Germany after WWII.

 

[Akim]

hmmm.. PATRIOTIC WAR against your own fellow brothers and sisters..!lets hope UKRAINE wins it at the cost of the blood of DONBASS denizens..!! GLORY GLORY

I have already spoken. We have no civil war. We are fighting against the ambitions of Russia, which has created a puppet state on the territory of Donbass.

 

[Akim]

First is this war need to be stopped. Second give the autonomy to eastern provinces. Though I doubt trust can come back now after so many deaths.

Massive downsizing of Ukr government. Pruning of pensions and military expenditure.

Re-nationalization of banking industry.

Complete focus on development and civilian industry - just like what happened in Japan and Germany after WWII.

Ok. "Tomorrow" on the City Council of Odessa, Mykolaiv, Kherson, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, will raise exactly the same rag and will call the new "Narcomania Republic". This is the path to nowhere.
Socialism in these territories is an illusion. In place of the old owners come new. In those areas do not pay social benefits, pensions, people have no money. I know this because until August, the pension received in Donetsk (I'm 36 years old, I am a veteran of the armed forces, his wife is 34). I have a home in Donetsk, there lives my father.

 

[pmaitra]

I have already spoken. We have no civil war. We are fighting against the ambitions of Russia, which has created a puppet state on the territory of Donbass.

The Kiev regime is a western puppet state on the territory of the Russian Empire.

I have spoken.

 

[Akim]

The Kiev regime is a western puppet state on the territory of the Russian Empire.

I have spoken.

Maybe . Only the West seized the territory of a sovereign state.
He who measures all ages of Empires - the imbitsil.

 

[go_tango]

I have already spoken. We have no civil war. We are fighting against the ambitions of Russia, which has created a puppet state on the territory of Donbass.

so UKRAINE GOVT finally admitted..it has lost DONBASS,rest aside CRIMEA..!if RUSSIA had any real ambitions,then it would have been SERGEY LAVROV distributing COOKIES at the then MAIDAN, the so called EUROMAIDAN is responsible for the current state of ur motherland. UA lost CRIMEA cos of it,now DONBASS.if the UA GOVT does not settle for political dialogue soon and push for offensive on DONBASS,then be assured a corridor to Transnistria is certain.!:thumb:

 

[bhramos]

Spy satellite images Ukrainian Su-27 shot down MH17 with cannon and air-air missiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWv0e1ry0DU
@asianobserve @pmaitra @sgarg @Akim need your opinions please

 

[bhramos]

MH17 30mm Cannon Fire Test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzw363q1N3o

 

[pmaitra]

Spy satellite images Ukrainian Su-27 shot down MH17 with cannon and air-air missiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWv0e1ry0DU
@asianobserve @pmaitra @sgarg @Akim need your opinions please

These satellite images could be quite as bogus as the satellite images paraded in front of the world by the US prior to the invasion of Iraq.

The uniform sized holes, closely matching 30 mm bullet holes, in the MH17's fuselage is reason enough to understand what the most likely cause of the MH17's demise could be.

 

[Akim]

so UKRAINE GOVT finally admitted..it has lost DONBASS,rest aside CRIMEA..!if RUSSIA had any real ambitions,then it would have been SERGEY LAVROV distributing COOKIES at the then MAIDAN, the so called EUROMAIDAN is responsible for the current state of ur motherland. UA lost CRIMEA cos of it,now DONBASS.if the UA GOVT does not settle for political dialogue soon and push for offensive on DONBASS,then be assured a corridor to Transnistria is certain.!:thumb:

Unfortunately you don't understand Russian. I could give a lot of video with analytics.

 

[pmaitra]

MH17 30mm Cannon Fire Test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzw363q1N3o

I have seen this video. I give more credibility to this one.

 

[Razor]

This woman knows what she talks of, being ex-MI5 agent.

Anyone threatening US petrodollar is public enemy No.1

Author Annie Machon is a former intel-li-gence officer for the UK's MI5, who resigned in 1996 to blow the whistle. She is now a writer, public speaker and a Director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.

Last Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, said at the celebration of the fall of the Berlin Wall last weekend that we are facing a new Cold War. What are the geopolitical realities behind this statement?

This weekend I was invited onto RT to do an interview about the commemoration of the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, particularly focusing on the speech delivered by the last Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, during his visit to Berlin.

I would like to expand on some of the topics I mentioned - how to encapsulate an alternative geopolitical perspective different from the Western orthodoxy in under four minutes? A task even Monty Python would find challenging!

The first issue was Gorbachev's comments about a new Cold War. I would agree, and this is being fabricated by the USA, as that country always needs an Emmanuel Goldstein figure to justify its military-industrial complex that is bankrupting the country and brutalizing the world, while enriching the US oligarchs to the detriment of civil society everywhere.

The first front line in this new Cold War is the internet. In the 1990s the USA had a golden opportunity - in fact a perfect storm of opportunities. It was the last superpower left standing in a newly unipolar world, history had officially ended and capitalism had triumphed. The Soviet Union had disintegrated and the newly shorn Russia was tottering, its vast national wealth being assiduously asset-stripped by the globalised neocon elite.

Plus, the new world wide web was exponentially growing and the key pioneers were predominantly American companies. After an initially panicked phase of playing catch-up in the 1990s, western spy agencies saw the potential for total mastery of the internet, creating a surveillance panopticon that the KGB or the Stasi could only have fantasized about. With thanks to Edward Snowden, we are now beginning to get glimpses of the full horror of the surveillance under which we all now live.

But it is not all down to the NSA.Building on the old Echelon model, which was so nearly overthrown in Europe back in July 2001, the NSA has suborned, bought and prostituted other western intelligence agencies across Europe to do its bidding.Germany, at the nexus of east and west Europe, remains a front line in this battle, with the BND possibly working unconstitutionally to do the NSA's bidding, even apparently to the detriment of its own national interest. The politicians (some) and hacktivists (many) are fighting back.

But it is the geographical boundaries that have shifted most significantly since the fall of the Wall. Here I need to credit former senior CIA officer, presidential advisor, and current peace activist Ray McGovern, for all the useful information he provided during his various talks and interviews across Europe a couple of months ago.

Ray, a fluent Russian speaker, worked as a Soviet expert for much of his career in the CIA. As such he was privy to the behind-the-scenes negotiating that occurred after the fall of the Wall.When this happened the USA pushed for German reunification but was worried about the 260,000 Soviet troops stationed in the former GDR. They cut a deal with Gorbachev, stating that NATO would not move "one inch" further than Germany after reunification. This the Soviets accepted, and withdrew their troops.

Well, we all know what has happened since. NATO has expanded east at an amazing rate, now encompassing a further 12 eastern European countries including the Baltic States and Poland, which the US has used as a base for an increasing number of "defensive" missile systems. In 2008 NATO also issued a declaration that Georgia and Ukraine would be welcome to join, taking the front line up to the borders of Russia. Coincidentally, both these countries in recent years have been portrayed as the victims of "Russian expansionism."

In 2008 Georgia invaded the disputed ethnic Russian region of South Ossetia. Russia moved to protect the people and gave the Georgian military a bloody nose. Anyone remember that? At the time it was portrayed across the Western media as Russian aggression, but the facts have emerged since to disprove this version of events.

Similarly, this year we have seen a violent coup overthrow democratically-elected President Yanukovich of Ukraine when he was inclined to stay within the Russian sphere of influence rather than ally the country more closely to the EU under the asset-stripping austerity measures demanded by the International Monetary Fund. Victoria Nuland, the US Assistant Secretary of State responsible for Europe, was heard to discuss the US had over previous years pumped $5 billion into Ukraine to subvert it, that the new installed Prime Minister would be "their man", and "f**k the EU".

And yet still Russia is blamed for aggression. I am not an apologist for Russia, but the facts speak for themselves even if they are not widely reported in the Western mainstream media.

But why on earth would the US be meddling in Ukraine? Would an expansion of NATO be sufficient excuse in America's self-interested eyes? Probably not.

Which leads me on to a very interesting article by Eric Zuesse. His well-researched and referenced report is that it all comes down to energy supplies once again. When does it not?

The USA has some unsavoury allies in the Middle East, including theocratic dictatorships such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar.Their vast energy reserves are not only essential to the USA, but also the trading of these reserves in the petrodollar monopoly is vital to propping up the bankrupt US economy.

Russia, at the moment, is the primary energy supplier to the EU - the world's largest market. Iran, a Russian client, wanted to build a pipeline via Syria with President Assad's approval, to exploit this vast market. However, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the USA apparently have other plans involving a pipeline from Qatar via Syria to Europe.

Hence the urgent need to overthrow Assad and put a Sunni puppet government in place, more palatable to those pulling the strings. Qatar's preferred candidate of choice would be more moderate, such as the Muslim Brotherhood. Saudi, on the other hand, would have no compunction about installing a hard-line fundamentalist regime in place - up to and including ISIS. And thus the murder, mayhem and human suffering erupting across the region now. This is an appalling real life example of the horrors inherent in Brzezinski's psychopathic.

It is widely accepted truism today, over a decade after the "war on terror" began, that all the wars in the Middle East were launched to protect America's oil and energy interests. Less well known is the country's desperate scramble to protect the petrodollar monopoly. If that fails, the dollar will no longer remain the world's reserve currency and the USA is financially screwed.

If you look at all the recent wars, invasions, and "humanitarian interventions" that have resulted in collapsed countries and anarchy across whole regions, it is clear that beyond oil and gas the key issue is money: pre-2003 Iraq tried to trade what oil it could in euro not dollars and Saddam Hussein was deposed; despite being welcomed briefly back into the international fold, once Libya's Colonel Gaddafi began to talk about establishing an African gold dinar currency, backed by Libya's oil wealth to challenge the petrodollar, he too was toppled; Assad wanted to facilitate energy pipelines to Europe for Russia and Iran, and he was attacked; even Iran tried to trade its energy reserves in euro, and lo and behold it was almost invaded in 2008; and finally Russia itself trades some of its energy in rubles.

As people say, always follow the money.

So, in my view, this is the current geopolitical situation. Russia is now strong enough, with its domination of Europe's energy supply, its backing of Middle Eastern countries that want to break away from the US sphere of influence, and its investment development bank with other BRICS countries, that it can challenge the US hegemony.

However, threaten the petrodollar monopoly and thereby the very financial solvency of the United States of America and you are suddenly Public Enemy No 1.

As I said, I am by no means an apologist for Russia - I tell it like I see it. To Western sensibilities, Russia has some serious domestic issues to address: human rights abuses during the brutal Chechen war; its suspected involvement in the death by polonium-210 poisoning of KGB defector Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006; its overly-punitive drug laws; and human rights abuses against dissidents, the LGBT community, and journalists. Yet the West has merely mouthed platitudinous objections to all these issues.

So why now is Russia being internationally excoriated and penalized for actions that it is not responsible for? Over the last few years it has looked statesmanlike compared to the US and its vassal states: it was not involved with the Libya fiasco, it has given safe haven to NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, and it halted the rush to yet another disastrous western war in Syria.

Nor, to my Western European sensibilities, are America and its acolytes too pristine either, with their mass surveillance, presidentially-approved kill lists, kidnapping, torture and drone bombings target illegal wars. Not to mention their domestic addiction to gun ownership and the death penalty, but that's another story....

Yet the US media-enabled propaganda machines justify all of the above and demonize another country, creating yet another fresh bogeyman to justify yet more "defense" spending.

The Russian bear is being baited, increasingly surrounded by yapping curs. I thought this sport had been made illegal hundreds of years ago, at least in Europe - but obviously not in the dirty realm of international politics.It is a marvel the bear has not lashed out more in the face of such provocation.

There was a chance for peace when the Wall came down 25 years ago. If the US had upheld its side of the gentlemen's agreement about not expanding NATO, if the neocon predators had not pounced on Russia, and if closer integration could have been achieved with Europe, the future could have been rosy.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Gorbachev - we are indeed facing a new Cold War, and this time it is of America's making. But Europe will bear the brunt, through trade sanctions, energy shortages and even, potentially, war. It is time we Europeans broke away from our American vassalage and looked to our own future.

Source: http://rt.com/op-edge/204063-gorbachev-cold-war-berlin-wall/
The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

 

[go_tango]

Maybe . Only the West seized the territory of a sovereign state.

on a lighter note,CRIMEA scenario almost bloodless.HA HA HA the mighty WEST -IRAQ,SYRIA,LIBYA million lost their lives,millions displaced.

 

[Akim]

Spy satellite images Ukrainian Su-27 shot down MH17 with cannon and air-air missiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWv0e1ry0DU
@asianobserve @pmaitra @sgarg @Akim need your opinions please

Fake ...................................

 

[Razor]

The Kiev regime is a western puppet state on the territory of the Russian Empire.

I have spoken.

What is most interesting and admirable is the way American intelligence agencies penetrate target countries. It is an art, a science, a beauty; about which college courses can be opened. It needs to be studied. Man, they are good at what they do. :thumb:
Also shows the pathetic ineffectiveness of the much hyped Russian special services.

 

[bhramos]

loll

Ukrainian battle caught on camera - YouTube
Ukrainian battle caught on camera - CNN.com Video

 

[go_tango]

Unfortunately you don't understand Russian. I could give a lot of video with analytics.

:shocked: Infact this conflict made me learn many Russian words.six months more on it,i would be good in it. :thumb:

 

[Akim]

on a lighter note,CRIMEA scenario almost bloodless.HA HA HA the mighty WEST -IRAQ,SYRIA,LIBYA million lost their lives,millions displaced.

They were taking these territories? I have not heard about the state of Iraq in the U.S.