Civil war in Ukraine

[pmaitra]

This might be a long term Russian plan to desperately weaken the Ukrainian regime, and exhaust its fighting potential. The Kiev regime will implode on its own, and if it doesn't, it will enable a sifter invasion from Russia.

The Battle of Kursk is a subject studied worldwide on how to conduct operations from a position of relative weakness.

 

[pmaitra]

They were taking these territories? I have not heard about the state of Iraq in the U.S.

If you are saying this, obviously you haven't read what you quoted. Give it a second shot.

Hint: It's not just about real estate.

 

[Akim]

:shocked: Infact this conflict made me learn many Russian words.six months more on it,i would be good in it. :thumb:

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[Razor]

This might be a long term Russian plan to desperately weaken the Ukrainian regime, and exhaust its fighting potential. The Kiev regime will implode on its own, and if it doesn't, it will enable a sifter invasion from Russia.

The Battle of Kursk is a subject studied worldwide on how to conduct operations from a position of relative weakness.

By 'this', you mean... ?

Also what do you think is the reason the US special services are able to pull off coups in Ukr at will ?
Is it moles in the government, effective dissident media control, NGOs, Ukraine's famous mail-order brides, globalist elites, Western Ukrainians ? What exactly is it ?

 

[Akim]

If you are saying this, obviously you haven't read what you quoted. Give it a second shot.

Hint: It's not just about real estate.

I can agree only with the example of Syria. However, it is not identical cases.

 

[pmaitra]

By 'this', you mean... ?

Also what do you think is the reason the US special services are able to pull off coups in Ukr at will ?
Is it moles in the government, effective dissident media control, NGOs, Ukraine's famous mail-order brides, globalist elites, Western Ukrainians ? What exactly is it ?

Russia already had plans in place in the eventual scenario of Ukraine turning hostile.

Frequent noises made in the west about Ukraine joining NATO, and Ukraine trying to prohibit Russian warships from Crimea participating in smothering that US puppet dictator Saakashvili, are reasons enough why Russia probably had contingency plans in place.

By "this," I mean the contingency plan, which appears to have been put in motion as a response to this provocation by the west.

The current destabilization of Ukraine was certainly the handiwork of NED etc..

P.S.: Even the Ukrainian Security Service has plenty of FSB moles.

 

[Razor]

Speaking of coups.

Mr. Orban of Hungary has refused to bow down (or at least tried to show some resistance to NATO forcing his country taking actions that are counter to his national interests.)
Will he be the target of next "peaceful protests" ?

There were protests in Hungary regarding an internet taxation law.
But a recent protest regarding that matter, saw 100k at the protest and some demanding the resignation of Mr. Orban.
Orban should have been careful about legalizing NGOs. Now Mr. Orban better start putting out his resume for a new job. :thumb:

 

[pmaitra]

Speaking of coups.

Mr. Orban of Hungary has refused to bow down (or at least tried to show some resistance to NATO forcing his country taking actions that are counter to his national interests.)
Will he be the target of next "peaceful protests" ?

There were protests in Hungary regarding an internet taxation law.
But a recent protest regarding that matter, saw 100k at the protest and some demanding the resignation of Mr. Orban.
Orban should have been careful about legalizing NGOs. Now Mr. Orban better start putting out his resume for a new job. :thumb:

There were US troops in UK for an "exercise" during the Scottish referendum.

I guess we are supposed to buy that excuse of an "exercise?"

 

[Akim]

This might be a long term Russian plan to desperately weaken the Ukrainian regime, and exhaust its fighting potential. The Kiev regime will implode on its own, and if it doesn't, it will enable a sifter invasion from Russia.

The Battle of Kursk is a subject studied worldwide on how to conduct operations from a position of relative weakness.

You have a big error. You compare capitalist Russia and the USSR. To compare it to modern Russia and the tsarist capitalist Russian Empire.

 

[go_tango]

I can agree only with the example of Syria. However, it is not identical cases.

glad u do.! :thumb:

 

[pmaitra]

You have a big error. You compare capitalist Russia and the USSR. To compare it to modern Russia and the tsarist capitalist Russian Empire.

There is nothing in my post that compares RF with USSR with RE. We can discuss that if you would like. I just gave the example of the Battle of Kursk from a purely military tactical PoV.

This might be a long term Russian plan to desperately weaken the Ukrainian regime, and exhaust its fighting potential. The Kiev regime will implode on its own, and if it doesn't, it will enable a sifter invasion from Russia.

The Battle of Kursk is a subject studied worldwide on how to conduct operations from a position of relative weakness.

 

[sgarg]

Spy satellite images Ukrainian Su-27 shot down MH17 with cannon and air-air missiles

need your opinions please

I said IMMEDIATELY after the MH17 event that it is a false flag. Ukraine is a clear USA fight. USA is a master of false flags. There is no way Russia would shoot down a Malaysian plane.

 

[sgarg]

@pmaitra, Ukraine troubles are far more than what seems on the surface. The propaganda is very strong. The lies are very big. The extent of actual fighting is far greater than is being publically admitted. The losses are heavy and are being hidden.

When there is such large effort at coverup, it only tells the sinister nature of the situation.

 

[pmaitra]

@pmaitra, Ukraine troubles are far more than what seems on the surface. The propaganda is very strong. The lies are very big. The extent of actual fighting is far greater than is being publically admitted. The losses are heavy and are being hidden.

When there is such large effort at coverup, it only tells the sinister nature of the situation.

It won't remain hidden for very long. There are already signs of discontent amongst those who have lost their dear ones in Ukraine. The Nazis are threatening the Kiev leaders to be more decisive of face their music. The Kiev regime's forces are getting clobbered in Donbass as the Donbass militia have acquired some really good weapon systems, both from Ukrainian stores, and from Russia.

 

[Akim]

@pmaitra, Ukraine troubles are far more than what seems on the surface. The propaganda is very strong. The lies are very big. The extent of actual fighting is far greater than is being publically admitted. The losses are heavy and are being hidden.

When there is such large effort at coverup, it only tells the sinister nature of the situation.

How do you know?

 

[katsung47]

The bodies of 286 women who had been raped have been discovered in the city of Krasnoarmeisk where Ukrainian volunteer battalion was based.

© AP Photo/ Dmitry Lovetsky

12:21 31/10/2014
DONETSK, October 31 (RIA Novosti) – The bodies of 286 women have recently been discovered in the eastern Ukrainian city of Krasnoarmeisk while almost 400 women between the ages of 18 and 25 are still listed as missing, Alexander Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic said Friday.

"Around 400 women between the ages of 18 and 25 have gone missing in Krasnoarmeisk where Ukrainian forces Dnepr-1 was based. The bodies of 286 women around Krasnoarmeisk who had been raped have been discovered," Zakharchenko said at a meeting with students from Donetsk National Technical University.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20141031/194...en-Discovered-400-Listed-Missing-in-East.html

 

[Akim]

Ukraine has combat dragon

 

[pmaitra]

Ukraine has combat dragon

Check video at 2:22. That dragon was added by whoever photoshopped that image you posted.

Spy satellite images Ukrainian Su-27 shot down MH17 with cannon and air-air missiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWv0e1ry0DU
@asianobserve @pmaitra @sgarg @Akim need your opinions please

 

[arpakola]

Ukraine has combat dragon

nice troling response
but...
there are RADAR tracks also..

Colonel Cassad - Новые подробности по малазийскому "Боингу"
Новые подробности по малазийскому "Боингу"

Данные авиадиспетчеров подтвердили: рядом с «Боингом», рухнувшим на Украине, летел военный самолет - Происшествия, Катастрофы - МК

the photo sent by non Russian satelite photos
http://www.zougla.gr/kosmos/article...ataripsi-tou-boeing-tin-malesianon-aerogramon

Το Μπόινγκ κατερρίφθη από μαχητικό που το καταδίωκε. Πρώτα του έριξαν με τα πυροβόλα του αεροπλάνου, και στη συνέχεια το Μπόινγκ χτυπήθηκε από πύραυλο αέρος-αέρος στο πιλοτήριο και ύστερα ο δεξιός κινητήρας και το δεξί φτερό χτυπήθηκαν με πύραυλο», έγραψε στην Ένωση των Μηχανικών ο Τζωρτζ Μπιλτ, ο άνθρωπος ο οποίος έστειλε στην Ένωση τη φωτογραφία.

the conclution comes from "Tzortz Built "

 

[asianobserve]

Spy satellite images Ukrainian Su-27 shot down MH17 with cannon and air-air missiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWv0e1ry0DU
@asianobserve @pmaitra @sgarg @Akim need your opinions please

Interesting find. Most likely it is CGI as even the Russians has not claimed that Ukraine used SU27 in shooting down MH17 (according to Russian military presentation SU25s brought down MH17).