Pakistan's naval buildup is quite concerning.

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issue here is the long escalation ladder which lies in between, there is a lot of gap between no activity to firing a salvo of Brahmos.
What you’re saying is true, but that’s not my point.

There are also quite a lot of steps in the escalation ladder up to nuclear weapons, but we still do talk about nukes, don’t we? The reason why we talk about nukes is something called nuclear overhang.

Similarly, there is also a BrahMos overhang, as I like to call it. It serves as a deterrent against any Pakistani misadventures.

That’s my point: deterrence.
 

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Ultimately India can’t stop PN from procuring what they want.
We can. We need to demonstrate to China that Gwadar is an unsafe and unreliable port for its path to the Persian Gulf. When hostilities do break out in Sub-sector North, at the first sign of paki involvement, India must hit Gwadar. Heating up SSN is a chicom move aimed at bolstering the Karakoram Highway, which is the mouth of the CPEC. Gwadar is its anus, so it would become fair game at that point for India to take retaliatory action.

Action at SSN is a matter of "when," and not "if."
 

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Most of these ships/subs are only due to line of credit from CCP. Having these is one thing and able to operate all together is another thing.
Ill bet most of the ships will be in hangers only. One 1 ship of any type will be out in ocean.
 

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Either its POK a rather dificult proposition or have them cut of from sea. POK ka challenge is logistics and defenders advantage in mountains.
The thang about mountains is that whoever has the better logistics supply chain wins.
U can't really hold a mountain top without Ammunition, food water and clothing.
If say we had US MIC capturing POk would have been a piece of cake.
Huge Heli fleet with UAV for spoofing out any albela mujahedin with a Anza.
 

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A noob question , Why we cant or dont run our dockyards round the clock 24 hours without a break 7 days a week in maybe 8 hours shift and expedite pumping out those warships ???


Jokes aside it requires a combination of Experienced workers and state of the art shipyards and management.
 

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The thang about mountains is that whoever has the better logistics supply chain wins.
U can't really hold a mountain top without Ammunition, food water and clothing.
If say we had US MIC capturing POk would have been a piece of cake.
Huge Heli fleet with UAV for spoofing out any albela mujahedin with a Anza.
Locals will take care of that because of the ISLAM KHATRE ME HAI KHATRAY MAY HY factor
In anycase i doubt we will see any offensive action from our side to retake PoK, if it does happen it will be because Pakistan goes full retard and attacks us, and we get a nice opportunity then to march up GB
 

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We need to act fast
Things are going fast just need to sort out the babudom and adminstration problem, rest the business and venture capability of India will shine.
U will see L&T making sumbarine soon.
SSS and CBC will start making all kinds of Ammunitions soon.
Contracts for Grenades are going to solar group.
Tonbo is making quad tube NVG and VR based Corner shot.
Godrej is assembling Pinaka rocket.
Kalyani is capable of making all kinds of artillery.

Things will get better for sure.
 

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Things are going fast just need to sort out the babudom and adminstration problem, rest the business and venture capability of India will shine.
U will see L&T making sumbarine soon.
SSS and CBC will start making all kinds of Ammunitions soon.
Contracts for Grenades are going to solar group.
Tonbo is making quad tube NVG and VR based Corner shot.
Godrej is assembling Pinaka rocket.
Kalyani is capable of making all kinds of artillery.

Things will get better for sure.
Hope all of this happens ASAP
 

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Ultimately India can’t stop PN from procuring what they want.

there is no choice for IN but to build longer stand off attack capability, both shore based and ship based, invest more on surveillance as well.
Spot on. Pak's relatively straight and short coastline gives us a tremendous advantage from the Gujarat coast to use long range cruise missiles and even stealth drones. A group of Nirbhays fitted with advanced EO sensors on the nose can be very handy during daytime strikes within the naval dockyards of Pak. The real time imagery transferred from the seeker can help an IN operator pinpoint a target to strike. Similarly when PN ships are out at sea, a group of Brahmos missiles can take out a small surface flotilla. No MILGEM or Damen boat can survive a Mach 3 whack. A very high altitude drone can also be used in the MPA role far out of the reach of PN SAMs, and these drones can guide our cruise missiles to the vicinity of PN surface assets, from where the missile sensors can take over. Pak's curse is that its entire coastline and beyond is within range of our cruise missiles.
 

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PN also plans to increase their Marines into a division sized formation by 2030 and SSGN into a brigade size by 2025. :hmm:
 

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What concerns me is Type 054A frigates with CM 302 supersonic missiles that will join PN by 2021. This will negate the upper hand which IN currently enjoy in terms of AShM capabilities. Indian Navy needs to look into longer range BrahMos asap.
 

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What concerns me is Type 054A frigates with CM 302 supersonic missiles that will join PN by 2021. This will negate the upper hand which IN currently enjoy in terms of AShM capabilities. Indian Navy needs to look into longer range BrahMos asap.
Thats a given. Also I don't think that the IN needs to do much to take out PN's surface assets. A MALE/ HALE drone or a P8 can guide a Brahmos or Nirbhay to the vicinity of a PN ship from where the missile's own seeker can take over and eliminate it. A very very potent asset here can be a sea skimming Nirbhay with nose mounted opto-electronics that an IN operator can control. Especially for daytime strike.
 

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Pakistani Navy becoming an extension of PLAN and CCP bankrolling them for free must be read with pinch of salt.

PLAN juxtapose to it's direct competitors and the possibility of Quad becoming a reality with better port networking, has become more vulnerable and outnumbered. They would rather spend their money on themselves than dole it out on Pakistan who can be easily muzzled by the USA at the right opportunity.

Secondly, you can not simply throw ships into the ocean and start expecting them to cater desired doctrine. This where the devil of the detail is. India with it's clout among democracies and the civilized world can try denying them the access of the latest technology.

Quixotic Pakistan being driven by it's Indian paranoia and Chinese making the best out of it; India must use the same paranoia to its advantage and go full throttle on 3 pronged strategies.

Increase threat perception. (Hot tailing, small skirmishes, demonstrating amphibious attack capabilities, etc.)

Technology denial, technology obsolescence and sanctions. (Offer better deals, JV’s to their possible vendors and use their poor human rights record, terrorism and atrocity literature etc.)

3rd point which everyone is prescribing and seems very obvious to increase technological edge and build overwhelming capabilities. TBH our capability building must be organic where we absorb the technology to our maximum benefit and work judiciously with the funds.

What we want to do with Pakistan will be done to us by China vis a vis arms race.

Therefore, my third proposition will be to invest heavily into intelligence gathering, espionage, sabotage to instrument delays to their plans.
 
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What concerns me is Type 054A frigates with CM 302 supersonic missiles that will join PN by 2021. This will negate the upper hand which IN currently enjoy in terms of AShM capabilities. Indian Navy needs to look into longer range BrahMos asap.
Place a MALE/HALE Drone or a P8I out of reach of PN SAMs and use it to guide our cruise missiles to PN's new rust buckets.
 

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