Pakistan's naval buildup is quite concerning.

[Poseidon]

I know that I will get some flak for saying this but this buildup of sorts of Pakistan Navy is quite concerning.

This is what Pak Navy chief said today->>

> 4 x Type-054AP frigates under construction (delivery 2021-23)
> 4 x MILGEM ships under construction (del 2023-25)
> 1 x Jinnah-class Frigate construction (del 2026-27)
> Two Damen made corvettes to join soon.
> Deal for 6 heavier tonnage corvettes to be concluded soon.
> 8 x Hangor-class subs under construction (del 2022-28)
> 1 x Yuan-class sub being acquired from China for training purposes.
> 1 more Modernised ATR-72 ASW aircraft to join soon (total 3 such planes)
> 10 jet-powered MP aircraft for ASW role to be acquired as a replacement of P-3C Orions. Deal for 1 is concluded.
> P-282+ ballistic missiles for ship and land-attack from ship launch pads under development
> MALE UAV contract concluded.


I am thus 200% sure that this buildup is being funded/bankrolled by China to keep India's focus on Pakistan as Pakistan with a defence capital budget of less than $2.5 billion cannot afford such naval buildup.

 

[tarunraju]

India has over 120 new warships either undergoing trials, or under-construction, or planned, and will be commissioning around 6-12 warships each year for the next decade.

 

[Illusive]

I know that I will get some flak for saying this but this buildup of sorts of Pakistan Navy is quite concerning.

This is what Pak Navy chief said today->>

> 4 x Type-054AP frigates under construction (delivery 2021-23)
> 4 x MILGEM ships under construction (del 2023-25)
> 1 x Jinnah-class Frigate construction (del 2026-27)
> PNS Tabook and PNS Haybat corvettes to join soon.
> Deal for 6 heavier tonnage corvettes to be concluded soon.
> 8 x Hangor-class subs under construction (del 2022-28)
> 1 x Yuan-class sub being acquired from China for training purposes.
> 1 more Modernised ATR-72 ASW aircraft to join soon (total 3 such planes)
> 10 jet-powered MP aircraft for ASW role to be acquired as a replacement of P-3C Orions. Deal for 1 is concluded.
> P-282+ ballistic missiles for ship and land-attack from ship launch pads under development
> MALE UAV contract concluded.


I am thus 200% sure that this buildup is being funded/bankrolled by China to keep India's focus on Pakistan as Pakistan with a defence capital budget of less than $2.5 billion cannot afford such naval buildup.

What is the total capital expenditure for this projects, that is quite a serious upgrade to their naval fleet in next 5 years.

 

[Poseidon]

What is the total capital expenditure for this projects, that is quite a serious upgrade to their naval fleet in next 5 years.

Their navy annual capital budget has been around $0.6 billion for past 3 years or so.

 

[Deadtrap]

It's a formidable build up for just 990km of coast line.

 

[Poseidon]

In has over 120 warships either undergoing trials, or under-construction, or planned, and will be commissioning around 6-12 warships each year for the next decade.

It is the submarine part which mainly concerns me.
If P-75I is delayed then in 2028 they will have 8 new SSKs with cruise missiles along with 3 old upgraded A-90B (plus one possible 2nd hand Yuan) whereas we will have six new Scorpenes and around 10 upgraded older subs along with 1 leased SSN.
I don't think indigenous SSNs will be commissioned by then.

 

[ezsasa]

So the simplest inference is that Pak navy is being funded by CCP to protect BRI shipping lanes in Arabian Sea?

 

[Illusive]

India has over 120 new warships either undergoing trials, or under-construction, or planned, and will be commissioning around 6-12 warships each year for the next decade.

They would have the capability to counter the blockade with that many ships. Naval buildup is quite expensive and we can't just counter that by building more ships. The amount of submarines is more than a headache for IN. The fact is they shouldn't be able to have this kind of technological leap, not with their economy.

Such rapid inductions clearly puts us in backfoot if we are to blockade them.

 

[Deadtrap]

So the simplest inference is that Pak navy is being funded by CCP to protect BRI shipping lanes in Arabian Sea?

CCP keeping Indian Navy engaged on both Western as well as eastern flank in case the hostilities goes up.

 

[Poseidon]

So the simplest inference is that Pak navy is being funded by CCP to protect BRI shipping lanes in Arabian Sea?

No doubt about that plus keep Indian Navy focused on Arabian sea.

 

[Illusive]

CCP keeping Indian Navy engaged on both Western as well as eastern flank in case the hostilities goes up.

The counter to this is obviously having Vietnam, Taiwan and Philippines, Indonesia buildup in SCS, something to look at for quad.

 

[Deadtrap]

I know that I will get some flak for saying this but this buildup of sorts of Pakistan Navy is quite concerning.

This is what Pak Navy chief said today->>

> 4 x Type-054AP frigates under construction (delivery 2021-23)
> 4 x MILGEM ships under construction (del 2023-25)
> 1 x Jinnah-class Frigate construction (del 2026-27)
> Two Damen made corvettes to join soon.
> Deal for 6 heavier tonnage corvettes to be concluded soon.
> 8 x Hangor-class subs under construction (del 2022-28)
> 1 x Yuan-class sub being acquired from China for training purposes.
> 1 more Modernised ATR-72 ASW aircraft to join soon (total 3 such planes)
> 10 jet-powered MP aircraft for ASW role to be acquired as a replacement of P-3C Orions. Deal for 1 is concluded.
> P-282+ ballistic missiles for ship and land-attack from ship launch pads under development
> MALE UAV contract concluded.


I am thus 200% sure that this buildup is being funded/bankrolled by China to keep India's focus on Pakistan as Pakistan with a defence capital budget of less than $2.5 billion cannot afford such naval buildup.

Can you please share the link to the Pak CNS interview

 

[Suryavanshi]

The counter to this is obviously having Vietnam, Taiwan and Philippines, Indonesia buildup in SCS, something to look at for quad.

Other than China Turkey and Malaysia are also helping PAK Navy.
As always Pak Navy despite its low budget manages to be Kawab me haddi.
Kudos to them, they have learned the art of doing much with little.

 

[Poseidon]

Can you please share the link to the Pak CNS interview

Watch from 12:15 onwards

 

[Illusive]

So the simplest inference is that Pak navy is being funded by CCP to protect BRI shipping lanes in Arabian Sea?

Their long term goal is to have some sort of issues with all our neighbors and in a way have them buildup or have them invite Chinese bases there.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Again this is not just limited to Navy but Air Force as well.
First FC 31 will land in Pakistan before 2030 I can Guarantee you this.
Meanwhile they are upgrading JF 17 block 1 and 2, AESA, Laser Pod and Long Range BVRAAM everything u can think of will come sooner or later.

They are building new air fields with Hardened bunkers despite having no lack of it. What do u think this means?

 

[Suryavanshi]

Pakistan Navy begins constructing modern warships in coordination with Turkey

Pakistan Navy begins constructing modern warships in coordination with Turkey

Two corvettes will be built in Turkey and the other two will be built in Pakistan, according to the contract.

www.dawn.com

They have also received state of the art steel cutting machines from Turkey.

 

[Illusive]

Other than China Turkey and Malaysia are also helping PAK Navy.
As always Pak Navy despite its low budget manages to be Kawab me haddi.
Kudos to them, they have learned the art of doing much with little.

They just have to be able to counter or be able have minimum basic deterrence either in numbers or have technological parity. Just enough to have second thoughts in our military HQ.

Baaki sab falling over backwards and spreading their legs for Arabs, Chinese or now Turks is to have them as insurance have some sort of backing incase of invasion.

Economy is might they also realized it, thats why CPEC. In their own dreams they think they can kick China out in future when the need comes but for now, spread the legs.

 

[ezsasa]

Ultimately India can’t stop PN from procuring what they want.

there is no choice for IN but to build longer stand off attack capability, both shore based and ship based, invest more on surveillance as well.

 

[fire starter]

Time is running out very fast we need to capture POK and eventually destroy all their build up in this process.