Indian Special Forces

[airborneCommando]

That's because they fight and have to attack Israel. Our troops have to suck it up and take a defensive posture given our geopolitics and the weak civilian governments that avoid military action even where the risk is low.

The only way our special forces will get good equipment and our industry get orders, is if we engage in preemptive confrontation with our adversaries. No wars/fights = no equipment.

Not only this, such things have a damaging effect on the psyche of the army aswell.

 

[kaboom]

That's because they fight and have to attack Israel. Our troops have to suck it up and take a defensive posture given our geopolitics and the weak civilian governments that avoid military action even where the risk is low.

The only way our special forces will get good equipment and our industry get orders, is if we engage in preemptive confrontation with our adversaries. No wars/fights = no equipment.

Gov and High Command allowed them to conduct one offensive op in a decade and media milked it till it became cringe
Muh "Ghus KE MaRa" and "SuRgiCal StRikE"

Just give them what they need and let them loose and fuck that "aman ki asha"

 

[JConline]

This what we want for our SF units simple sober gears i don't know what Rocket science required to acquire these gear most of the stuff we got from Indian manufacturers apart from Rifleand Comtac

Even ComTacs can be manufactured in India. 3M has manufacturing facilities in India. So Peltors could easily be manufactured in India and used at large by Indian SF.
As for rifles, the IWI Arad could also be manufactured in India by PLR systems if there was adequate demand from the Indian military.
The truth is, the motivation to modernize and meet global standards is just not there in the Indian Defence Ecosystem. MARCOS and NSG seem to have some will to be better in terms of equipment and capability. Even Garuds are getting better. And when it comes to the army, Helmet kisko chahiye, Jetpacks lao bc.

 

[airborneCommando]

Even ComTacs can be manufactured in India. 3M has manufacturing facilities in India. So Peltors could easily be manufactured in India and used at large by Indian SF.

I personally believe that in perfect conditions it shouldn't matter if the thing is manufactured locally or not, getting the finest basic ppe/kit should be the prioity for units tasked with strategic operations

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[JConline]

I personally believe that in perfect conditions it shouldn't matter if the thing is manufactured locally or not, getting the finest basic ppe/kit should be the prioity for units tasked with strategic operations

We've been saying that for like, ever. SF shouldn't have to jump through hoops and do all the RFI bullshit. But everybody in the gov seems to have a fascination for Make In India so I just wanted to prove that literally EVERYTHING needed to arm our SF to global standards is and can be available and made locally.

 

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[rkhanna]

media milked it till it became cringe

Correction the GOVERNMENT milked it for what its worth.

I personally believe that in perfect conditions it shouldn't matter if the thing is manufactured locally or not, getting the finest basic ppe/kit should be the prioity for units tasked with strategic operations

Not a single SOF unit on the planet (not even the Chinese) is restricted to weapons manufactured locally. They will beg borrow steal to get kit they want. (not need). Even the Russian Tier I unit is using the best western gear money can buy.

We dont know what "Special" in special ops is supposed to mean. We think troops that can run a 100 miles without water are "Special".

What is this? TRICOM?

 

[rkhanna]

Absolutely not the same thing. Remember, the above pic is from an active warzone.

Also dont forget that in 91 the US Military was heavily critized for underutilising their SOF capability.

JSOC earned its bones in Bosnia - tactics developed for hunting war criminals were put to use in GWOT

It was Rumsfield who pushed the envelop for SOF utilization in the early 2000s with the first SF ODAs landing in Astan to link up with Anti Talib Warlords.

 

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[Kumaoni]

Gov and High Command allowed them to conduct one offensive op in a decade and media milked it till it became cringe
Muh "Ghus KE MaRa" and "SuRgiCal StRikE"

Just give them what they need and let them loose and fuck that "aman ki asha"

Btw I know instances of similar operations on Mizo Camps done in 1970 by a regular infantry battalion. Ghataks were doing such raids, along with paras in 2000 (in one raid 7 Pakis were dragged across LoC).

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR knows of several raids done by Ghataks in which three times as many pakis were killed.

Surgical strikes done in 2016 are just a basic search and destroy operation which is perfectly executed. There was no high value target to be eliminated there.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Surgical strikes done in 2016 are just a basic search and destroy operation which is perfectly executed. There was no high value target to be eliminated there.

Raids not Search and destroy

 

[kaboom]

"They had to carry out a ‘challenge protocol’, an inherently dangerous task that involves calling out
to the other.

‘This was a face-on moving contact at very close range,’ recalls a warrior who was part of the operation. ‘As soon as they were challenged, the terrorists opened fire in our squad’s direction. We returned fire. Capt. Mehra
was hit by a ricocheting bullet. In the darkness it wasn’t clear how serious the injury was.’

Do we still follow such SOPs

 

[Kumaoni]

Raids not Search and destroy

Destroying militant camps don’t count as that?

 

[Kumaoni]

When

"They had to carry out a ‘challenge protocol’, an inherently dangerous task that involves calling out
to the other.

‘This was a face-on moving contact at very close range,’ recalls a warrior who was part of the operation. ‘As soon as they were challenged, the terrorists opened fire in our squad’s direction. We returned fire. Capt. Mehra
was hit by a ricocheting bullet. In the darkness it wasn’t clear how serious the injury was.’

Do we still follow such SOPs

was this?

 

[kaboom]

When

was this?

On 21 August 2015, a Para-SF squad led by a young officer, Capt. Dipesh Mehra, was deployed to hunt terrorists near a remote village named Khurmur in north Kashmir’s Handwara district

 

[Kumaoni]

On 21 August 2015, a Para-SF squad led by a young officer, Capt. Dipesh Mehra, was deployed to hunt terrorists near a remote village named Khurmur in north Kashmir’s Handwara district

Anyway to answer your question- yes we do.

 

[airborneCommando]

Destroying militant camps don’t count as that?

No DA raids are seperate from SADO

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Destroying militant camps don’t count as that?

When the location is confirmed you raid.