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Arjun can be used in said zone. Only due to lack of necessary supporting infrastructure is the limitation present. Road induction of the equipment can be planned. But the tech is yet to stabilize.
It means it is not fit to be used in that area. That is what I say. That is I used the word of little use in Himalayan environment. For example we had the Brahmos but that was not suitable to be used in Himalaya and that is why we made block III steep dive.
 
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There is no doubt that babudom in India is blind to security and strategic factors.

Lot of Chinese in Gurgaon Bangalore. Why did GOI giving blind access to Chinese in telecom projects? Cost alone should not be a deciding factor.

Our foolishness in understanding Chinese will cost us.
 

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Arent light tank inconvenient on High altitudes? The engine would needs to be tweaked a little to operate with low oxygen.
True. We have a big fleet of Russian chopper but that was found to be useless in Himalaya which led to LCH. We have many weapons but some highly specific weapons can be used with full effect. Others will have to be used by doing Jihad. Their utility shall be limited.
 

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Then we must do exactly what chicoms don't expect us to do, and clog Nepal's oil and logistics route on national security pretense.

Every box of condoms heading to Nepal must be manually opened and inspected. With its map-redrawing gaandmasti, Kathmandu has given Delhi a legally tenable excuse.

The objective should be to throw the Nepalese economy off gear at such a scale that even chicoms have a hard time coming to their rescue in the short-term (2-3 months). By then Nepal will have bled billions, and unrest against Oli will only grow.

Let the aam-sherpa hate India. He is guaranteed to hate Oli more.
Yes, I do agree. Moreover, the Nepali take us as Sone ke Ande dene wali Murgi and they halal us. The aam nepali loves us for the money only. Nothing like Hindi-Nepali bhai bhai or friendship or hindu ekta. So, at least, the privileges accorded to them, must be withdrawn. They must feel the heat. If you try to finger me, I must insert two in your a@@. Dushmani aur special category dono saath nahi chal sakti...
 

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Yes, I do agree. Moreover, the Nepali take us as Sone ke Ande dene wali Murgi and they halal us. The aam nepali loves us for the money only. Nothing like Hindi-Nepali bhai bhai or friendship or hindu ekta. So, at least, the privileges accorded to them, must be withdrawn. They must feel the heat. If you try to finger me, I must insert two in your a@@. Dushmani aur special category dono saath nahi chal sakti...
No. We must continue to maintain Hindu unity.

Maoist will recede from Nepal, hopefully soon.

Nepali Hinduism is different from North Indian Hinduism (more related to Bengali version) but that does not matter.

A big country like India MUST not get upset by pinpricks. Most issues are resolved by quiet and secret dealings outside public domain. We will have a show of force within Nepal.
 

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No. We must continue to maintain Hindu unity.

Maoist will recede from Nepal, hopefully soon.

Nepali Hinduism is different from North Indian Hinduism (more related to Bengali version) but that does not matter.

A big country like India MUST not get upset by pinpricks. Most issues are resolved by quiet and secret dealings outside public domain. We will have a show of force within Nepal.
Being hopeful and positive is always a blessing, but, truth is that the common nepali treats us as chicken for his oven.
 

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Being hopeful and positive is always a blessing, but, truth is that the common nepali treats us as chicken for his oven.
There is no such thing as constant .. people's opinion changes with change in political narrative . majority of people will say one thing today and something else tomorrow . All managed by the story tellers .. the people behind propaganda ..There is no need to make nepali people our enemy which is exactly wht oli wants for his political millage .. Indian as a state has to learn to be manipulative for bigger picture not reactionary/ emotional for short term satisfaction .
 

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No. We must continue to maintain Hindu unity.

Maoist will recede from Nepal, hopefully soon.

Nepali Hinduism is different from North Indian Hinduism (more related to Bengali version) but that does not matter.

A big country like India MUST not get upset by pinpricks. Most issues are resolved by quiet and secret dealings outside public domain. We will have a show of force within Nepal.
 

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No. We must continue to maintain Hindu unity.

Maoist will recede from Nepal, hopefully soon.

Nepali Hinduism is different from North Indian Hinduism (more related to Bengali version) but that does not matter.

A big country like India MUST not get upset by pinpricks. Most issues are resolved by quiet and secret dealings outside public domain. We will have a show of force within Nepal.
True. R&AW is fully capable of toppling Nepal government. In my opinion, R&AW must be working right now to put oli in place. Our aim should be this. We should not allow bitterness to rise in common public of Nepal. oli will try to invoke nationalism by invoking anti India sentiment which he seems to be working over time. What we did with premdasa, we can easily do with oli.
 

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It means it is not fit to be used in that area. That is what I say. That is I used the word of little use in Himalayan environment. For example we had the Brahmos but that was not suitable to be used in Himalaya and that is why we made block III steep dive.

Fair enough.

Thanks for explaining.
 

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I think paki and Chinese are planning something from pok Chinese will fire from the shoulder of porkistani army might be a pincer movement from both sides to cut Siachen that is why they choosen the galwan and pangong two areas.so that they can save there investment .
Halwa nahi hai, if they even tried pushing 10km in, all hell will break loose on them, our divisional formations, CAS, SEAD and Air superiority. IAF will be punched in, IA will deploy all its forward divisions to assault and capture PoK once and for all. Apni maut likhegey if they tried even.
Navy will pull blocked, both at west and east.
 

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Why is a Chinese company even allowed to bid for a civil infra project? Beats me. It proves that 90% of security problems are of our own making.
Because the Money for these projects are coming from international consortia who have their rules.
As I have already explained...these loopholes will have to sat at and tied up even by folks in Washington Paris and Tokyo not just in New Delhi
 

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Indo-Pacific Charter gains support in India, US, Australia and Japan


The four countries that form the Quadrilateral Alliance would be the ideal initiators of such a move, just as the UK and the US were in the case of the Atlantic Charter.




New Delhi: On 14 August 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt of the United States and Prime Minister Winston S. Churchill issued the Atlantic Charter, which laid the foundations for Atlanticist primacy for over six decades and led to the tectonic shifts in global geopolitics that saw the United Nations get formed out of the Atlantic Charter-inspired Declaration of the United Nations on 1 January 1942 that was signed by KMT China, the USSR, the United Kingdom and the United States. On 15 August 1947, just six years after the Atlantic Charter was made public and despite Winston Churchill’s refusal to give colonised nations the rights of European countries overrun by Germany since 1938, India became free, followed by a procession of other countries in Asia and Africa. The Atlantic Charter changed the world, but from 1 July 1997, when Hong Kong was handed back to Beijing by London, it became clear that the Atlanticist world was giving way to the Indo-Pacific. The economies of Asia now outstrip those of Europe, while across the Pacific Ocean (or what this writer has long called the eastern segment of the Indo-Pacific, with the Indian Ocean forming the western segment), a new superpower arose that in brief years gave evidence of eclipsing the US as the primary economy and therefore power on the globe.

The rise of China got accelerated by the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992, and by 2012, when Chinese Communist Party General Secretary Xi Jinping took over, most observers were not asking whether but when China would overtake the US. Enter Trump, Abe and Modi, with their own plans for a 21st century world order. In 2020, except for romantics lost in their perpetual fantasyland, it is clear that as when there was a Soviet bloc and a US-led bloc (ambitiously if inaccurate in view of some of its members, named the “Free World”), there is now a Sino-Russian bloc and an alternative bloc led by the US. Whether it be logistics matrices, supply chains or technology regimes, the two sides are now increasingly competing with each other rather than working in a cooperative and complementary fashion. India is not in the China bloc, nor in the US bloc, in that its most important defence supplier is Russia, and with the commissioning of the S-400 will remain so for at least a generation.

The S-400 is inter alia a superb intelligence-gathering mechanism of any object flying over the skies of the territories where it is located. Which is why the US shut down its proposed F-35 manufacturing base from Turkey, a country where the Russian-built system has become operational. Given the vulnerability to interception of performance parameters by a system which is reportedly soon getting replaced in Russia and perhaps in China by the S-500, it would be foolhardy of NATO to permit its high-performance assets to now even overfly its member, Turkey, now that the S-400 system has begun functioning with its complement of Russian crew and maintenance workers.

While the Lutyens Zone is still enamoured of “non-alignment” (which now, as in the past, means an alignment between Moscow and Delhi), more and more voices—including from within policymaking levels—are calling for a reset. Prime Minister Modi may need to balance the world view from within the Lutyens Zone with those of others concerned about India’s long-term security. The latter are looking towards an alternative strategy that would ensure (in Modi’s words), equal access to all in the waters of the new geopolitical pivot of the globe, the hinterland of the Indo-Pacific. Just as the security structures that came out of the Atlantic Alliance prevented another war in Europe, this time caused by the USSR seeking to expand the boundaries of the Warsaw Pact the way successive US administrations have done during the Gorbachev-Yeltsin period. President Vladimir V. Putin has halted further expansion by making it clear through action (as in the Ukraine, Georgia and Crimea) that any such outcome would result in an unbearable cost to the Atlanticist alliance. Had he been in charge during the Soviet 1979-88 Afghanistan occupation, it is certain that the theatre of conflict would have widened to include Pakistan, thereby shutting off the conduit which kept the fighters alive who bled the Soviet armies to defeat within a decade. In the Indo-Pacific world, which has replaced the Atlanticist world, what is essential for prosperity is the avoidance of a war between the US and China. Whether it be in the Korean Peninsula, the borders of India or Vietnam or the China seas, military conflict can only be ruled out if the balance of forces is such as to deter recourse to such kinetic methods.

An Indo-Pacific Charter, a concept first discussed on NewsX some months ago, is rapidly emerging as an option that is picking up adherents steadily, especially in the US, India, Australia and Japan. In all four countries, key policymakers are close to (or are already) informally examining the possibility of working on the proposed Indo-Pacific Charter. The four countries that form the Quadrilateral Alliance (Australia, Japan, the US and India) would be the ideal initiators of such a move, just as the UK and the US were in the case of the Atlantic Charter. The purpose of the Charter would not be war but its prevention, and this through the participation of countries in Asia determined to safeguard their territorial sovereignty from any effort at nibbling away at their boundaries. While the four Quad members are democracies, the proposed Charter could in time also include countries such as Vietnam, and Oman, besides South Africa, the only essentiality being that they should form part of the Indo-Pacific littoral and not be outside these waters. India could emerge as a key platform for the manufacture of advanced defence systems, such as the F-35 or nuclear-powered submarines, besides helping to perfect cyber and space defensive capabilities. This would hinge on a holistic policy of defence and security rather than the silo-based basket of sometimes conflicting policies that has long been a staple—including in procurement—in India. The emphasis will need to be on the creation of capacities to ensure “active defence” in a multi-front conflict, i.e. the ability to launch a punishing offensive against all aggressors. Only such a capability will deter future efforts at taking away bits and pieces of national territory.

The Lutyens Zone is a “tar baby”, which once embraced paralyses through its gluey hold on individuals and institutions. It is also a policy quicksand, where those who step into it find themselves drowning in a morass of objections one after the other to any innovative idea that offers genuine promise of the massive changes that this country has been hungering for since 1947. A visitor to China in the 1980s who returns to that country now would be astonished at the transformation, while the same is not usually said of India despite the wealth of brainpower and other human resources it has been blessed with. Over the coming months, it will become clear whether the country has escaped the long-term stasis that Ides of August planners are anticipating, or whether Prime Minster Modi will show his mettle get free of the policy quicksands of an official machinery obsessed not with growth and welfare but with control, and the more control the better. Even when that stifles and retards growth impulses. Effective security is significant in promoting a climate for growth, and an Indo-Pacific Charter could be an effective means towards ensuring that. Those who expect PM Modi to win three consecutive Lok Sabha elections in the manner he prevailed in three state Assembly polls are confident that massive and beneficial changes are on the horizon. The Indo-Pacific Charter is already engaging the attention of policymakers in Washington and Tokyo and possibly in Canberra as well, although such an innovative idea would be toxic to the Lutyens Zone, which is as good a reason as any why it should be actualised by dynamic diplomacy on the part of PM Modi.
great news an anti Chinese alliance has been developing for many years , to make it official will be the death blow for the communist Chinese rats.
 

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Yes, I do agree. Moreover, the Nepali take us as Sone ke Ande dene wali Murgi and they halal us. The aam nepali loves us for the money only. Nothing like Hindi-Nepali bhai bhai or friendship or hindu ekta. So, at least, the privileges accorded to them, must be withdrawn. They must feel the heat. If you try to finger me, I must insert two in your a@@. Dushmani aur special category dono saath nahi chal sakti...
Purely prejudicial argument not at all based on facts.

You must know that it is Nepalis who want that open border regime to be scrapped. It harms them more than the Indians. Indians extract ten time more out of Nepal than the Napalese benefit out of India. All those who are doing proxy business in Nepal - import Chinese stuff and then funnel that back into Indian markets are all bloody our Baniyas and scamsters.

Nepalis are facing a problem of population invasion into their territory and almost all fertile land along the border area has been grabbed at higher prices by Biharis and UP bhavas and Muslims. Pakistan and Muslim countries have also invested quite heavily in the plains of Nepal.

Come on guys - The country is facing a virtual invasion from India. On top of that the Indian origin population of Nepal called Madesies form the largest anti-India groups of Communists, anarchists, terrorists and Jihadis. Oli is one of them...

Largest Casinos. gambling and whoring joints in Nepal all are run by Indians. On top of that you DFI walls abuse them without any inkling to the ground situation.

India has hurt the Hindu sentiments, culture and institutions in Nepal the most as the govts in India over 70 years have been more anti-Hindu than the Moguls and the British... Nehru even refused merger of Nepal with India as was proposed by the then PM of Nepal Rana... lest majority Hindu vote topple his Mogul empire in India.

Sorry for bursting your bubbles...
 

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https://idrw.org/amid-india-nepal-s...aduate-from-ima-join-indian-army/#more-229173 .

Amid India-Nepal stand-off, 3 Nepalese cadets graduate from IMA, join Indian Army

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/amid-india-nepal-s...aduate-from-ima-join-indian-army/#more-229173 .
On the day the Nepalese parliament passed a constitutional amendment bill to update the country’s map to include areas like Limpiyadhura, Kalapani and Lipulekh situated in Uttarakhand as part of its own territory, three Nepalese cadets graduated from the Indian Military Academy (IMA) to become commissioned officers in the Indian Army. Although the three newly-commissioned officers refused to speak on the ongoing tension between India and Nepal, terming it ‘a political matter’, they were unanimous in asserting that they are dedicated in their intent to serve India. Speaking to TOI, Suraj Rai, one of the new officers hailing from Nepal, recounted his journey from being a soldier in the Indian Army to graduating from the Indian Military Academy (IMA) as an officer on Saturday. Rai, who hails from Itahari in eastern Nepal, served as a jawan for seven years before he was able to get admission into the Army Cadet College (an institution which trains soldiers for commission as officers in the Indian Army).While undergoing training at the IMA, Rai suffered a huge personal loss as his father, a former soldier in the Gorkha regiment of the Indian Army, passed away due to cardiac arrest last month at his residence in Nepal. “I received the news of his death while our training was going on. I felt very bad that I was not able to see him one last time. He would have been extremely happy today to know that I am finally going to become an Army officer,” said the 29-year-old who has been commissioned in the Jat Regiment. Rai is a third-generation Army man as his father and grandfather served in the Gorkha Regiment as soldiers. He is the first in his family to earn an officer’s rank.There has been a long tradition of Nepalese personnel joining the Indian Army. “People from Nepal have been joining Indian Army since many decades, both as jawans and officers, mainly in the Gorkha Regiment,” said Dehradun-based senior Army officer Lt Gen Shakti Gurung (retd) According to Brigadier PS Gurung (retired), another senior officer who has served as commandant of the Gorkha Recruiting Depot in Gorakhpur, “there was a time when only Gorkhas from Nepal used to join this regiment. Now, with many people from Nepal having settled in India, the ratio of Indian and Nepalese personnel is almost equal. As per the India-Nepal peace treaty, any Indian can settle in Nepal and do any job and vice-versa, and this is how people of Nepal joined the Indian forces both as jawans and officers”. Commenting on whether tension between the two countries will have an impact on Nepalese continuing to join the Indian Army, former Indian Army officer and defence expert Maroof Raza told TOI, “I believe that people from Nepal will continue joining the Indian Army.”

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/amid-india-nepal-s...aduate-from-ima-join-indian-army/#more-229173 .
 

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clearing the air over contract of RRTS to CHINESE,

kindly be patient and read and then form an opinion,

Delhi – Meerut Smart Line (Delhi – Meerut RRTS) is an 82.15 km long under-construction semi-high speed rail line connecting Delhi – Ghaziabad – Meerut through a series of tunnels and elevated viaducts as part of the Regional Rapid Transit System.


Key Figures


Operational: 0 km | Under Construction: 18 km | Approved: 65.15 km

• Estimated Project Cost: Rs. 30,274 crores
• Estimated Daily Ridership: 8 lakh passengers/day (2024)
• Funding Sources:
AIIB: USD 500 million (12.66%) – info
ADB: USD 1,549 million (39.24%)
JFPR: USD 3 million (0.07%)
Govts. of India, Delhi & UP: 1,897.7 million (48.05%)
the contract awarded is for just tunnel in package 4
New Ashok Nagar Ramp – Anand Vihar – Sahibabad Ramp (underground, 1 station) ,
tenders were floated in November 2019,
bids got opened in march 2020,

Now I m posting the following list in the whole of the route u can see its been divided into various packages and majority of them are Indian companies.

And for the record the major beneficiary of Infra projects is L n T of this govt. And If u closely see it also has major work allotted in following projects.

Kindly form ur valid opinions on basis of this and ur own research



Delhi – Meerut RRTS Contractors


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Delhi – Meerut General Consultant
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Ayesa India Private Ltd
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Geotechnical Investigation: Shatabdi Nagar, Meerut to Modipuram Depot
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G Soil & Rock Probe Engineers
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Geotechnical Investigation: Sari Kale Khan to Ghaziabad
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Cengrs Geotechnica Pvt. Ltd.
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Drone Based Mapping and Implementation of Web based Geographical Information System (GIS)
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GIS Consortium India Pvt. Ltd.
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Initial Pile Load Test: Sarai Kale Khan to Anand Vihar and depot line from Sarai Kale Khan
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Continental Piling (India) Pvt. Ltd.
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Initial Pile Load Test: Vaishali to Duhai (EPE)
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Continental Piling (India) Pvt. Ltd.
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Initial Pile Load Test: Duhai (EPE) to Shatabdi Nagar
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Pinnacle Piling (India) Pvt. Ltd.
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Initial Pile Load Test: Shatabdi Nagar – Modipuram
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Continental Piling (India) Pvt. Ltd.
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Detailed Design Consultant for Track System
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Korea Railroad Technical Corporation & Primerail Infralabs Pvt Ltd.
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Ballastless Track Structure “System Provider” to support Design and installation
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PORR Bau GmbH
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Detailed Design Consultant for Sarai Kale Khan & New Ashok Nagar Stations
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Tandon Consultants Pvt. Ltd – Fountainhead JV
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Package 1: Sahibabad Ramp – Ghaziabad Station (elevated, 2 stations)
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KEC-CCECC JV
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Package 2: Ghaziabad Station – Duhai EPE crossing (elevated, 2 stations)
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APCO Infra – CRFG JV
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Package 3 Lot-1: Duhai (EPE) – Modi Nagar North (elevated, 2 stations)
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Package 3 Lot-2: Modi Nagar North – Shatabdi Nagar (elevated, 5 stations)
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Package 4: New Ashok Nagar Ramp – Anand Vihar – Sahibabad Ramp (underground, 1 station)
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Package 5A: Duhai Depot / Workshop
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Package 6: Sarai Kale Khan – New Ashok Nagar (elevated, 2 stations)
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Package 7: Shatabdi Nagar – Brahampuri DN Ramp AND Begumpul Ramp – Modipuram (elevated, 5 stations)
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Package 8: Brahampuri DN Ramp to Begumpul UP Ramp (underground, 3 stations)
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Design, manufacture, supply, testing & commissioning of 210 standard gauge coaches
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Design, Supply, Installation, Testing and Commissioning of Signalling and Train Control and Telecommunication Systems
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True. R&AW is fully capable of toppling Nepal government. In my opinion, R&AW must be working right now to put oli in place. Our aim should be this. We should not allow bitterness to rise in common public of Nepal. oli will try to invoke nationalism by invoking anti India sentiment which he seems to be working over time. What we did with premdasa, we can easily do with oli.
The problem with R&AW and IB is the lack of a vision and long term perspective on a given subject. Both are bureaucratic organizations led and controlled by IPS and their visions can never surpass their ability to reproduce what is written in Khan Academy's IAS guide or Brilliant Tutorial Notes. Their rivalry is also a friendly match between two batch mates to gain proximity to Madam or Modi rather than being professional.

Coupled with that has been abject political interference where they have been shamefully used for internal political objectives of a particular party. Either R&AW simply does not a bird called "National Interest" and a "Grand Vision" for a great India or their vision has no political approval or there is no political consensus on that. Otherwise, why would they botch up in Srilanka, Punjab, Assam, Nagaland, Bangladesh, 1965, 1971, Kargil, J&K, and now Ladakh?

They work for political parties . have their bureaucratic interests to buttress and capable of changing colours and intelligence as it suits the boss.

What they did in Nepal and what they must be doing there looks haphazard without any long term plan and a vision. They are singularly responsible for large scale communists and Maoists surge in Nepal which is now grown into a monster and biting India.
 
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