India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Bhadra]

Do we have a
Do we have airfields in Himachal Pradesh which can act as ALG's?

The nearest airports would be Simla and Bilaspur. Puh and Nako would be farthest Helipads.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Simply because it take times to send interceptor aircraft . And by the time interceptor aircraft arrives , the helicopter would be back in Chinese airspace. That's how it goes. It happens all the time. I would say it would take us some 10 minutes to send aircraft and 5 minutes to get to the targets . 15 minutes a lot of time.

It's beyond my understanding of why we are not authorized to shoot down these helicopters. Ground soldiers armed with MANPADS can wreak havoc on these ingressing helicopters.
Since it is quite inside India's boundary, China cannot cry that it was disputed.
But yeah, why anger China right, allow them to take down our pants from behind if that's what they want, but must not displease Chinese masters.

 

[Bhadra]

Chinese choppers ingress 12-15 km inside India in Himachal Pradesh.

12 km is a lot of distance! Why they were not intercepted? 12km inside only means they were doing recee inside India !

Are the Chinese reading too much into Indian threats to capture Gigit Baltistan or are they rattled by Road to Lipulekh >>

 

[Gandaberunda]

Are the Chinese reading too much into Indian threats to capture Gigit Baltistan or are they rattled by Road to Lipulekh >>

Recon both also what happening in WHO as well.
Main Chinese fears are upcoming IBG.

 

[Karthi]

It's beyond my understanding of why we are not authorized to shoot down these helicopters. Ground soldiers armed with MANPADS can wreak havoc on these ingressing helicopters.
Since it is quite inside India's boundary, China cannot cry that it was disputed.
But yeah, why anger China right, allow them to take down our pants from behind if that's what they want, but must not displease Chinese masters.

Escalating things won't help , moreover the Himalayas are world's most difficult terrain , many pilots loose their navigation .

 

[Bhadra]

It's beyond my understanding of why we are not authorized to shoot down these helicopters. Ground soldiers armed with MANPADS can wreak havoc on these ingressing helicopters.
Since it is quite inside India's boundary, China cannot cry that it was disputed.
But yeah, why anger China right, allow them to take down our pants from behind if that's what they want, but must not displease Chinese masters.

I suppose both sides do that very regularly and most of the time the ground troops have no know-how who's machine is flying. Firing MANPADS under such circumstances would be very hazardous. Firing any round on LAC is not resorted to. That is why they push each other,,,,

 

[Gandaberunda]

Are the Chinese reading too much into Indian threats to capture Gigit Baltistan or are they rattled by Road to Lipulekh >>

ISR mission on Indian base

 

[Bhadra]

There has been some flurry of Chinese activities along the LAC in the recent past. Those included activities in North Sikkim, crying by Nepal and raising Issue of Kalapani near Lipulekh, air Intrusions in Himachal Pradesh and troop clashes in Pengang Tso. So the activities had been very broad and not connected with each other as per COAS.

However, those apparently took place after the opening of Lipulekh.

The activities can be somewhat be understood in the Context of Chinese fear of India doing Zorawar Singh Dogra in Western Tibet. Some esteemed members were keen to know if the employment of an MSC in this area would be feasible? Many such queries have also been raised to understand Chinese patterns

An excellent writeup has appeared in Trishul Blog of Prasun which I am reproducing below. That would explain quite a few things.

TRISHUL

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trishul-trident.blogspot.com

 

[Kumata]

The nearest airports would be Simla and Bilaspur. Puh and Nako would be farthest Helipads.

There is no airport in Bilaspur... whole HP have just 2 run ways.. One in Dharamshala and other in Bhuntar kullu ... shimla have a helipad...

 

[Kumata]

There has been some flurry of Chinese activities along the LAC in the recent past. Those included activities in North Sikkim, crying by Nepal and raising Issue of Kalapani near Lipulekh, air Intrusions in Himachal Pradesh and troop clashes in Pengang Tso. So the activities had been very broad and not connected with each other as per COAS.

However, those apparently took place after the opening of Lipulekh.

The activities can be somewhat be understood in the Context of Chinese fear of India doing Zorawar Singh Dogra in Western Tibet. Some esteemed members were keen to know if the employment of an MSC in this area would be feasible? Many such queries have also been raised to understand Chinese patterns

An excellent writeup has appeared in Trishul Blog of Prasun which I am reproducing below. That would explain quite a few things.

TRISHUL

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trishul-trident.blogspot.com

That you bought up this, I tracked 2 C17 above shimla today with a mysterious plane in middle..they must be returning after dumping the stuff in kullu... their transponders were switched on over kullu ....

same is returning

 

[Bhadra]

What Has PLAGF Learnt From Dogra Gen Zorawar Singh's Conquests of Western Tibet
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As I will explain in another thread on the imperatives for waging high-altitude plateau warfare, for waging such warfare, one will firstly have to overfly mountains and reach the plateaux in TAR both on the eastern & western fronts. Secondly, for any Corps-sized offensive expeditionary force to achieve success, it will have to be launched along 3 separate vectors, i.e. one from Depsang Plain in Ladakh towards Rutog; the second from Uttarkhand via the Lipulekh Pass towards the Ngari/Kailash Mansarovar area; and third, from Tashigang in Himachal Pradesh towards Kailash Mansarovar via Gartok, until they converge at a point (see map above). And this point of convergence must first be secured as a safe bridgehead by an air-mobile brigade.

 

[Bhadra]

So, what one needs to achieve success are: an air-mobile brigade, a mechanised division, and a light infantry division. And all thesde should have integral combat engineering, EW support, air-defence artillery cover & a seamless battlefield logistics process. Consequently, by doing the math, we can safely conclude that what is required for a successful ground offensive on high-altitude plateaux are heavylift helicopters, more heavilift helicopters and medium-lift helicopters in large numbers; plus STOL transport aircraft like C-130J-30s--all backed up by favourable tactical air superiority. Attack helicopters will not be of much use at such forbidding heights and this also explains why the PLAGF has not yet deployed its Z-10 and Z-19 attack helicopters in TAR.

 

[Bhadra]

Like India, China too has conducted deep studies into the offensive ground campaigns of Gen Zorawar Singh and has correctly assessed that the only worthwhile offensive by the IA can be staged only from eastern Ladakh/eastern Himachal Pradesh and northeast Uttarkhand. And that is also the reason why last December the IAF stated that more ALGs will be coming up in Uttarkhand to add to the one at Dharasu. And that is also why the IA’s 14 RAPIDS has since been converted into a mountain division & has been relocated to Himachal Pradesh, this being done in order to strength the IA’s positions in the LAC running along Himachal Pradesh, which can be brought to play to forestall any PLAGF mischief there in case the IA were to launch a high-intensity offensive in the west along the LoC into PoK.

And all these together explain why the PLAGF’s helicopters routinely violate Indian airspace in Uttarkhanmd and Himachal Pradesh (to monitor IA deployment patterns there along the LAC); and why China, with Nepal’s assistance, is anxious to deny India the road transportation route via the Lipulekh Pass towards the Kailash/Mansarovar area in TAR.

 

[Bhadra]

There is no airport in Bilaspur... whole HP have just 2 run ways.. One in Dharamshala and other in Bhuntar kullu ... shimla have a helipad...

Thanks dear....

 

[Karthi]

To counter Chinese aggression . In my suggestion we need.

1) High end personal protection systems for our troops.
2) Real time battle management systems to coordinate all the Ground and air attack.

3)need Powerful EW Weapons and DEW Weapons to fry the airborne assets.

4)Light weight Tanks , Artillery and adequate number of Lifting capabilities.
5) All round satellite coverage across the Himalayas and Tibet .
6) Under ground Military Stations , Which can Be able to fire cruise Missile's.
7) Military base's in Plateau with Advanced Air defence systems.
8) AI powered Autonomous Weapons and Robots to invade Tibet .

 

[Bhadra]

To counter Chinese aggression . In my suggestion we need.

1) High end personal protection systems for our troops.
2) Real time battle management systems to coordinate all the Ground and air attack.

3)need Powerful EW Weapons and DEW Weapons to fry the airborne assets.

4)Light weight Tanks , Artillery and adequate number of Lifting capabilities.
5) All round satellite coverage across the Himalayas and Tibet .
6) Under ground Military Stations , Which can Be able to fire cruise Missile's.
7) Military base's in Plateau with Advanced Air defence systems.
8) AI powered Autonomous Weapons and Robots to invade Tibet .

Very long list sir ........ you must be talking about 2050 ??

 

[Karthi]

Very long list sir ........ you must be talking about 2050 ??

They should have thought about this two decades ago , I m sure we will get this 2040-50 .

 

[fire starter]

Chinese military power is a bluff.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Boht hogya ab in chini ki... They're going overboard now has to retaliate with equal measures ....

 

[Gandaberunda]

So Chinese claim India trespassed Chinese territory?
Interesting Indian army presence is substantial to do CKMKB