India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Sanglamorre]

its Same 20,000
additional means

Plus to original deployment

No no, it's a news portal quoting the Indian news about 20K soldiers.

Now we all know how Indian media is overactive, so... Yeah. Might be, might not be.

 

[ezsasa]

Do body else see major pieces are in play which will lead to ww3?

I am clearly seeing two sides forming

My crystal ball gazing...

No not yet, for now everyone wants to renegotiate their trade terms with CCP, using chinese virus as an excuse.
CCP in return is raising the stakes in anticipation of the negotiations, hence the belligerence in it's neighbourhood.
since west is racist, they don't care of India & china fight with each other. if the fight does happen, west is hoping that either one or both of their future economic competitors are weakened.

 

[utubekhiladi]

My crystal ball gazing...

No not yet, for now everyone wants to renegotiate their trade terms with CCP, using chinese virus as an excuse.
CCP in return is raising the stakes in anticipation of the negotiations, hence the belligerence in it's neighbourhood.
since west is racist, they don't care of India & china fight with each other. if the fight does happen, west is hoping that either one or both of their future economic competitors are weakened.

mean while ..

Mysterious Explosion and Fire Damage Iranian Nuclear Enrichment Facility

Mysterious Explosion and Fire Damage Iranian Nuclear Enrichment Facility (Published 2020)

Iran released a photograph showing evidence of what appeared to be a major explosion at the site. Early evidence suggests it was most likely an act of sabotage.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Sanglamorre]

My crystal ball gazing...

No not yet, for now everyone wants to renegotiate their trade terms with CCP, using chinese virus as an excuse.
CCP in return is raising the stakes in anticipation of the negotiations, hence the belligerence in it's neighbourhood.
since west is racist, they don't care of India & china fight with each other. if the fight does happen, west is hoping that either one or both of their future economic competitors are weakened.

I think to some extent, the world is still waiting to assess the damage of the China Flu. It's not stopping at all. It really depends how badly USA is mauled at the end.

Most countries don't have breathing room yet. We'll see what happens when powers regain some normalcy.

 

[ezsasa]

mean while ..

Mysterious Explosion and Fire Damage Iranian Nuclear Enrichment Facility

Mysterious Explosion and Fire Damage Iranian Nuclear Enrichment Facility (Published 2020)

Iran released a photograph showing evidence of what appeared to be a major explosion at the site. Early evidence suggests it was most likely an act of sabotage.

www.nytimes.com

and we have just entered the second half on 2020..

 

[utubekhiladi]

and we have just entered the second half on 2020..

i m telling you man... ww3 has started to form

Dr. Anthony Fauci says new virus in China has traits of 2009 swine flu and 1918 pandemic flu

how can you mix two strain of flus in single virus? this has to be man made..

Dr. Anthony Fauci says new virus in China has traits of 2009 swine flu and 1918 pandemic flu

The virus, which scientists are calling "G4 EA H1N1," has not yet been shown to infect humans but it is exhibiting "reassortment capabilities," Dr. Anthony Fauci told the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee during a hearing Tuesday.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Sanglamorre]

At this rate we might discover aliens in December.

 

[Aegis888]

At this rate we might discover aliens in December.

Independence Day or E.T ?

 

[LDev]

The valid argument against this arrangement is that India needs Russia to not join the china/pak side totally. So some monkey balancing has to be done (some far less stupid form of non-alignment needs to be followed). US/Nato are sitting far way & have their own shit to take care off right now. Unfortunately, none of us arm chair experts know exactly how far india can go in this balancing without urking Russia to merge into CCP sphere.

What else can Russia do that it has not already done? It supplies the latest hardware i.e SU-35s fighters and the S-400 to China. Pakistan does not have the money to buy any Russian hardware in quantity. In any event the Russians are already selling the RD-93 engine for the JF-17 to Pakistan.

Where India is vulnerable is in it's huge existing inventory of Russian hardware. But instead of diversifying away by getting on with the MMRCA 2 competition, MOD is doubling down on Russian fighters with the latest addition today of 29 Mig-29s and 12 replacement SU-30s.

 

[LDev]

I doubt that China is going to pull back from Pangong Tso Finger 4. The latest is that the Chinese offer is that they pull back to Finger 6 but then India pulls back to Finger 2 and the area between Finger 2 and Finger 6 becomes disputed territory to be patrolled by both sides!! True salami slicing by the PLA!! This has been rejected by India.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Independence Day or E.T ?

It's 2020, so Independence Day, or if we're lucky, Contact or Arrival.

And if the universe decides to completely fuck with us, District 9.

 

[Sanglamorre]

What else can Russia do that it has not already done? It supplies the latest hardware i.e SU-35s fighters and the S-400 to China. Pakistan does not have the money to buy any Russian hardware in quantity. In any event the Russians are already selling the RD-93 engine for the JF-17 to Pakistan.

Where India is vulnerable is in it's huge existing inventory of Russian hardware. But instead of diversifying away by getting on with the MMRCA 2 competition, MOD is doubling down on Russian fighters with the latest addition today of 29 Mig-29s and 12 replacement SU-30s.

This is a problem we'll unfortunately have to deal with for a while. We can't get expensive stuff in this economy, rather, we can't get parliament to see that we need this in midst of the economic fallout.

So cheap Russian fighters it is for now.

 

[utubekhiladi]

plot twist:

what if events unfold like this?

Listen Jaanu, India is struggling with your hi-tech bio-weapon. its economy is weak. how about you bring your army to the east and do full war level deployment.

No darling, .. i got my problems jaanu. i m in no mood for war.

Arey, suno toh sahi jaanu, you simply have to do the deployment on the eastern border. i know that bhaniyas will do their deployments to match yours . this will stretch their army thin. we will rope in nepal too for added flavor

okay,what's the plan here

when their army is deployed thin on eastern border, the western border will become vulnerable and i will launch gazwa e hind and capture kashmir, ladakh, siachien, leh and all north territories.
this will secure our highway, cpec and boost our sweeter then honey and deeper the ocean friendship

i am not so sure about this but whatever.

NEWS: HEAVY BUILDUP BY CHINA ON EASTERN BORDERS...INDIA IS MATCHING UP THE DEPLOYMENT... Blah blah blah

so western border is open and week.. this is golden chance lets launch gazwa e hind... attack attack attack


get'em boys, aaj maarte maarte maarenge.. 2.5 front ki maa ka *** aaj..

NEWS: INDIA LAUNCHES HEAVY RETALIATION ON BOTH EASTERN AND WESTERN BORDER AND INFLICTED HEAVY CASUALTIES ON BOTH BORDERS.. BLAH BLAH BLAH.. USA HAS LAUNCHED MASSIVE OPERATION IN SOUTH CHINA SEA.. BLAH BLAH

NEWS: TENSION IS BREWING IN SCS, CHINA IS PULLING TROOPS FROM ITS WESTERN BORDER AND DEPLOYING TROOPS TO EASTERN BORDER..

Jaanu, i am pulling out my troops from the border.. i need to deploy them to south china sea
No honey, you can't do that.. we need to liberate kashmir and secure our highway

Highway gaya bhaad mein.. i got other problems pal

what will i do now? mera kya hoga? please save me ... save me.. KHUDA ke leye mujhe bachaloo..this bhaniyas will rape me red and blue. Please help, you can't do this to our love and friendship..




BC, rukh tere ko abhi dikhata hu

THE PLOT TWIST CONCLUDES TO YOUR BEST IMAGINATION. PLEASE REPLY WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED NEXT..

 

[Aegis888]

It's 2020, so Independence Day, or if we're lucky, Contact or Arrival.

And if the universe decides to completely fuck with us, District 9.

And here I was hoping Koi Mil Gaya

 

[utubekhiladi]

one prime example of how porkistan media is propagating and preparing it's nation for war

total BS....

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Hmmmmm

 

[utubekhiladi]

Trump spotted a pattern in China’s standoff with India. Here are 21 reasons

President Donald Trump on Thursday waded right in the middle of India’s dispute with China, asserting that Beijing’s aggressive stance in Ladakh fits with the larger pattern of Chinese aggression in other parts of the world. President Trump’s office did not elaborate on China’s aggression elsewhere but is seen as a clear reference to Beijing’s efforts to enlarge its position on border disputes. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had recently called it China’s “rogue attitude” as he announced the movement of US supercarriers in the Indo Pacific region to counter China’s aggressive posture.

According to Beijing watchers, China has traditionally suffered from xenophobia against foreigners. The Middle Kingdom’s fears were exacerbated in the past two centuries as a result of which China believes that it is the only civilizational power in the world and the rest are either tributary states or barbarians.

China has had territorial disputes with 21 neighbours including India over its claims on land and sea. Here is a complete list of its disputes.

Brunei

China claims the southern part of the Spratly Islands chain. Brunei, on the other hand, claims part of South China Sea nearest to it as part of its continental shelf and Exclusive Economic Zone

Philippines

China and Philippines disagree over parts of the South China Sea including the Spratly Islands. Philippines took the dispute to the International Court of Justice where they won the case but the Chinese side did not abide by the order of the ICJ. Tensions have continued between the two countries despite economic incentives offered by China.

Indonesia

China’s nine-dash line overlaps the Natuna Sea/Exclusive Economic Zone of Indonesia leading to disputes. China claims fishing rights in waters near the islands. Indonesia government argues that China’s claims are not recognised under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Indonesia irked China in July 2017 when it renamed parts of the South China Sea as North Natuna Sea to underscore its claim.

Malaysia

China’s dispute with Malaysia also revolves around parts of the South China Sea, particularly the Spratly Islands. Its claims cover only islands included in its Exclusive Economic Zone of 200 miles as defined by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. Malaysia has a military presence on three such islands that it considers to be part of the continental shelf.

Singapore

Singapore is not a claimant state in the South China Sea disputes but is closely aligned to the United States and allows the presence of US naval forces in Singaporean waters. It does not want to antagonise China by openly taking sides though it does advocate freedom of navigation and resolution of all disputes in line with the UN Convention of Law of the Seas.

Laos

China claims large areas of Laos on historical precedent of China’s Yuan Dynasty during 1271-1368

Cambodia

China has, on occasions, claimed part of the country on historical precedent (China’s Ming dynasty 1368-1644)

Thailand

Thailand opposes China’s dredging on the Mekong River since 2001 for large ships to carry goods from its landlocked Yunnan province to ports in Thailand, Laos and remaining southeast Asia. China has also built hydropower dams on the main stream of the Mekong River, altering the natural flood-drought cycle, affecting ecosystems as well as economies of countries on the lower Mekong River.

The Thai Cabinet scrapped a Chinese-led dredging project in February 2020 to blast rapids on the Mekong river. This had already led to fall in water levels and fers that it would lead to drought and affect 6 million people in Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam

Japan

Japan’s dispute with China centers around South China Sea, particularly Senkaku Islands, Ryukyu Islands and the overlapping Air Defence Identification Zone and Exclusive Economic Zone in the East China Sea

Vietnam

Vietnam, which fought a bloody war with China in 1979 when Beijing tried to teach its former ally a lesson, has stood its ground on its territorial claims over parts of the South China Sea, and the Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands. Last month, a Chinese ship rammed a Vietnamese fishing boat operating in the Paracel Islands that was seen as an effort by Beijing to flex muscles to enforce a unilateral fishing ban in parts of the South China Sea against vessels from another nation.

India

China occupies 38,000 sq km Indian territory in the Aksai Chin region apart from staking claim on Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh. It was this expansionist policy that led to the ongoing standoff between the Indian Army and the Chinese PLA that escalated into a violent scrap in Ladakh’s Galwan valley. Another 5,163 sq km of Shaksgam valley was illegally ceded by Pakistan to China in 1963. Hence, the total Indian territory occupied by China is over 43 ,000 sq km.

Nepal

Nepal and China have pending border issues over three boundary pillars in Dolakha and two in the vicinity of Mt Everest. There have, however, been reports that China has illegally occupied strategic land at 12 places across Nepal. China has also claimed part of Nepal dating back to the Sino-Nepalese war in 1788-1792, claiming that some parts of Nepal are part of Tibet and therefore, part of China.

Taiwan

China claims all of Taiwan but particular disputes are Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands Scarborough Shoal, part of South China Sea and the Spratly Islands. The Paracel Islands, also called Xisha Islands in zvietnamese, is a group of islands in the South China Sea whose sovereignty is disputed.

North Korea

The two countries have a continuing dispute over Mount Paektu and Yalu and Tuman rivers. China has also claimed Baekhu Mountain and Jiandao. Beijing has, on occasions, claimed all of North Korea on historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty 1271-1368)

South Korea

South Korea and China have an overlapping Air Defence Identification Zone and a continuing Exclusive Economic Zone dispute over Leodo (Socotra Rock) in the East China Sea. China has also, on occasions, claimed entire South Korea on historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty 1271-1368)

Mongolia

China and Mongolia have settled their boundary dispute but China has claimed all of Mongolia on historical precedent (Yuan Dynasty 1271-1368).

Bhutan

Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet, namely Cherkip, Gompa, Dho, Dungmar, Gesur, Gezon, Itse Gompa, Khochar, Nyanri, Ringung, Sanmar, Tarchen and Zuthulphuk. Bhutan has lost a substantial chunk of area under dispute including the Kula Kangri peak to slow encroachments by China. Beijing claims Kula Kangri and mountainous areas to the west of this peak in addition to the western Haa district of Bhutan.

Tajikistan

The two sides have a bilateral dispute dating back to 1884 when a border demarcation agreement between the Qing Dynasty and Tsarist Russia left large segments of the frontier in the sparsely-populated eastern Pamirs without a clear definition.

The Chinese claims are based on historical precedent (Qing Dynasty 1644-1912).

In 1991, Tajikistan inherited from the Soviet Union three disputed border segments constituting about 28,000 sq km which China and the Soviet Union had been unable to resolve.

In 1999, Tajikistan and China signed a border demarcation agreement defining the border in two of the three segments. Under this deal, Tajikistan ceded about 200 sw km lands to China. In 2002, Tajikistan agreed to cede 1,122 sq km or about four percent of the territory that Beijing had claimed. China has, in all, settled for 3.5 per cent of the claimed territory.

Kazakhstan

China has laid claim to a territory in Kazakhstan stretching from Semirechie to Lake Balkhash covering 34,000 sq km. In May 2020, a Chinese website ‘Sohu.com’ published an article claiming that Kazakhstan is located on territories that historically belong to China.

China has settled for 22 per cent of its claim over Kazakh territory. Despite a border demarcation treaty with China in 1994 and claim by Kazakh state media that the Kazakhstan government had succeeded in retaining 56.9 percent of the disputed territory, critics had opined that the remaining 43.1 per cent of the land also belonged to Kazakhstan for which a new deal should be signed.

Kyrgyzstan

China lays claim to the whole of Kyrgyz territory. In May 2020, Chinese website tutiao.com published an article on such a claim and argued that under the Han Dynasty, the entire Kyrgyz territory was part of the Chinese mainland before the Russian empire captured it.

Chia has settled for 32 percent of its claim over Kyrgyz territory. Under the 1999 agreement, Kyrgyzstan handed over 1,250 sq km to China.

Russia

Despite signing bilateral agreements in 1991 and 1994 to delimit the estern and wester section of the Russia-China border, a few sectors remain unresolved. There are 160,000 sq km still unilaterally claimed by China despite signing several agreements.

In October 2004, the 4,300 sq border was finally demarcated in its entirety, thus resolving a 300-year-old territorial dispute.

In 2005, the Russian Parliament ratified the agreement in 2008, a part of the Abagaitu Islet, the entire Tarabarov Bolshoi Ussuriysk Island and some adjacent river islets were handed over to China.dusta

Trump spotted a pattern in China’s standoff with India. Here are 21 reasons

India-China standoff: Xi Jinping’s stance in Ladakh fits in the larger pattern of its approach in dealing with its neighbours

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[cannonfodder]

What else can Russia do that it has not already done? It supplies the latest hardware i.e SU-35s fighters and the S-400 to China. Pakistan does not have the money to buy any Russian hardware in quantity. In any event the Russians are already selling the RD-93 engine for the JF-17 to Pakistan.

Where India is vulnerable is in it's huge existing inventory of Russian hardware. But instead of diversifying away by getting on with the MMRCA 2 competition, MOD is doubling down on Russian fighters with the latest addition today of 29 Mig-29s and 12 replacement SU-30s.

Based on this podcast below (the entire is worth listening): India will be encircled in Asia with Russia, China, Pak and Iran in one group. More countries in Asia will join it as it will be dominant group & India be left alone to fend for itself in case of conflict. Just making it clear I am not expert but some this concern looks valid.

 

[Sehwag213]

Based on this podcast below (the entire is worth listening): India will be encircled in Asia with Russia, China, Pak and Iran in one group. More countries in Asia will join it as it will be dominant group & India be left alone to fend for itself in case of conflict. Just making it clear I am not expert but some this concern looks valid.

If Iran is on one side then wouldn't Gulf countries, AUS , USA and EU be on our side.

 

[Thundering13th]

I doubt that China is going to pull back from Pangong Tso Finger 4. The latest is that the Chinese offer is that they pull back to Finger 6 but then India pulls back to Finger 2 and the area between Finger 2 and Finger 6 becomes disputed territory to be patrolled by both sides!! True salami slicing by the PLA!! This has been rejected by India.

The best move if we are not going offensive would be to dig in and hold ground and explore alternate patrol routes to outflank the chinis. Today we talk about F4 we claim till F8 but our post is in F3 the least pre emptive shit we could have done is to secure F4.