India-China Border conflict

[mokoman]

What if

i think he is talking about "North Arunachal Pradesh" , inalienable and integral part of India

I asked for sauce and you reply with "Trust me bro" ?

he said if problems of youth are not resolved they will lead to militancy .

imho he is no antinational . maybe at best he is trying to get into politics - border people have always supported the army . meh just give what ever the fuck they want .

 

[mokoman]

saw this vid on their official account . pla border guards using drones to supply a cut off forward post . same place as that old banner drill video - one where our guy mocks the by saying his name was commander keen

they have good roads in next valley but only shitty dirt road to forward post . close to place where indian soldier blocked chinese patrol .

except for tawang they are behaving decently in rest of AP . following all the agreements . no feeder roads to disputed sites . either it will continue this way or most likely they are trying to not provoke waiting for rest of infra projects to complete before striking.

 

[mokoman]

Apache is being operated from Leh & Thoise since few years now, and have are being rigorously worked day-to-day. Just google Apache in Ladakh you will get so many videos.

That being said, I won't lambast it for facing a techical issue once in a while. High altitude environment is unforgiving for both men & machine, our beloved Dhruv's have also faced a lot of issue.

People act like indigeneous solutions like Rudra/Prachand will somehow magically fare better. They won't.



Jumping to conclusions too quick, aren't we ?

We appreciate C-17s & P-8Is because we have seen them in active duty producing results, unlike Apache which will produce results when we have an active war, which can be like, never.

this is 2nd incident with Apache , there was similar , i think it was loss of power then emergency landing last year in MP

Air Force's Apache Helicopter Makes Precautionary Landing In Madhya Pradesh

Air Force's Apache helicopter today made a crash landing in Madhya Pradesh's Bhind. Officials said that the pilot noticed a technical fault in the chopper, and decided to make an emergency landing.

www.ndtv.com

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i know it depends on 24 aircraft * ??flight hours calculation . but still ... 660 crore

if they cant recover and the aircraft is a total loss they should build a restaurant aroudn it . good site for tourists

 

[AnantS]

this is 2nd incident with Apache , there was similar , i think it was loss of power then emergency landing last year in MP

Air Force's Apache Helicopter Makes Precautionary Landing In Madhya Pradesh

Air Force's Apache helicopter today made a crash landing in Madhya Pradesh's Bhind. Officials said that the pilot noticed a technical fault in the chopper, and decided to make an emergency landing.

www.ndtv.com

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i know it depends on 24 aircraft * ??flight hours calculation . but still ... 660 crore

if they cant recover and the aircraft is a total loss they should build a restaurant aroudn it . good site for tourists

This is third. There was one in 2020

IAF’s brand-new Apache chopper has a glitch, lands in Punjab village

This is the first incident involving the latest helicopters imported by the IAF from the United States.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[Jimih]

imho he is no antinational

He should explain about these statements and what and why he meant

All the so called "climate activists" are threat to democracy and works for Globalists. People of Ladakh are being made fools by this educated Ladakhi guy. Ladakhi people should bring other leaders forward for their demands and not this guy.

He should get the same treatment like other fake climate activists like Greta are getting.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[Blademaster]

Playing good cop bad cop routine.

 

[Azaad]

saw this vid on their official account . pla border guards using drones to supply a cut off forward post . same place as that old banner drill video - one where our guy mocks the by saying his name was commander keen

they have good roads in next valley but only shitty dirt road to forward post . close to place where indian soldier blocked chinese patrol .

except for tawang they are behaving decently in rest of AP . following all the agreements . no feeder roads to disputed sites . either it will continue this way or most likely they are trying to not provoke waiting for rest of infra projects to complete before striking.


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Why would they wait for us to complete all border related developments in AP before striking? They'd rather do it before & force a freeze in critical areas.

 

[mokoman]

only side interested in peace is India , China wont compromise or make concessions . last i read their demand is to thin down or dismantle our burtse camp in depsang . only thing these people understand is force - like in pangong tso . atleast we will have content for this thread for next 10 years

Why would they wait for us to complete all border related developments in AP before striking? They'd rather do it before & force a freeze in critical areas.

i meant their infra projects , they have a lot of infra projects lined up till 2030 - especially lot of airports / heliport , gonna need those to bring in supplies in case of war . was expecting Chinese to finish them but most of it got delayed.

 

[rockdog]

only side interested in peace is India , China wont compromise or make concessions . last i read their demand is to thin down or dismantle our burtse camp in depsang . only thing these people understand is force - like in pangong tso . atleast we will have content for this thread for next 10 years



i meant their infra projects , they have a lot of infra projects lined up till 2030 - especially lot of airports / heliport , gonna need those to bring in supplies in case of war . was expecting Chinese to finish them but most of it got delayed.

Yes, till 15th 5-year+plan.

Most important thing is railways networks not finished yet. there are Qinghai, Xinjiang, Sichuan, Yunnan four railways to Tibet.

Plus one to Nepal.

 

[mokoman]

Yes, till 15th 5-year+plan.

Most important thing is railways networks not finished yet. there are Qinghai, Xinjiang, Sichuan, Yunnan four railways to Tibet.

Plus one to Nepal.

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u have map with new planned airport/heliports in tibet ? , it was on weibo last year .

how much of this completed ?

Sichuan–Tibet railway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rockdog]

u have map with new planned airport/heliports in tibet ? , it was on weibo last year .

how much of this completed ?

Sichuan–Tibet railway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

By December 2023.

Orange are for transportation.
Purple are universal purpose
Blue are under construction or just planned.

 

[rockdog]

how much of this completed ?

Sichuan–Tibet railway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Similar to wiki, now they are.working on the 1011km part, will be done in 2030 to 2032.

510km of 1011km are tunnels...

Rest are in operation.

Part of sichuan-tibet railways.

 

[Crazywithmath]

Playing good cop bad cop routine.

Yes. Standard diplomatic boilerplate stuff. Cheenis do the same.

 

[mokoman]

By December 2023.

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Orange are for transportation.
Purple are universal purpose
Blue are under construction or just planned.

thanks , been looking for this image . used it to find rest

why does Tibet need all this connectivity , "transport airports" , "emergency rescue network" with 300-400 helipads for disaster management , what disaster usually happens here

i dunno much about Tibet civilian needs but this honestly looks like military preparation for war

 

[jai jaganath]

Ig this statement is clear that further corp commander's meetings are done for legacy issues
It's for those who still claim Chinese capturing our land during 2020 clash as negotiations are still going on

 

[JBH22]

Apache is being operated from Leh & Thoise since few years now, and have are being rigorously worked day-to-day. Just google Apache in Ladakh you will get so many videos.

That being said, I won't lambast it for facing a techical issue once in a while. High altitude environment is unforgiving for both men & machine, our beloved Dhruv's have also faced a lot of issue.

People act like indigeneous solutions like Rudra/Prachand will somehow magically fare better. They won't.
Jumping to conclusions too quick, aren't we ?

The context of my rant was when Russian hardware crash, there is randi rona on the forum. I was looking for same reaction for a multi million dollar white elephant, which we acquired.
Now why i'm saying it is a white elephant, since 90s the Apache was never operated in high tempo conflict like the Mi -24, Mi -28 or Ka 52.

My point is for such expensive platform, the issue of crash/emergency land for Apache has developed a pattern. Guess what no a single hit article in the press by our famed defense anal-yst. Juxtapose that to articles on Mig-29K etc. Hell even the Ak203 is being targetted.
To the credit of Prachand, we are yet to see such crash land.

We appreciate C-17s & P-8Is because we have seen them in active duty producing results, unlike Apache which will produce results when we have an active war, which can be like, never.

I still don't understand this acquisition. May be it is to acquire technical know how, to build our own version

 

[Azaad]

 

[Azaad]

The context of my rant was when Russian hardware crash, there is randi rona on the forum. I was looking for same reaction for a multi million dollar white elephant, which we acquired.
Now why i'm saying it is a white elephant, since 90s the Apache was never operated in high tempo conflict like the Mi -24, Mi -28 or Ka 52.

My point is for such expensive platform, the issue of crash/emergency land for Apache has developed a pattern. Guess what no a single hit article in the press by our famed defense anal-yst. Juxtapose that to articles on Mig-29K etc. Hell even the Ak203 is being targetted.
To the credit of Prachand, we are yet to see such crash land.



I still don't understand this acquisition. May be it is to acquire technical know how, to build our own version

Apaches should be seen more in context of our western neighbor. Hint - Cold Start & Air Cavalry.

At the time the idea was first mooted for acquisition of the Apaches which would be the early to mid 2000s , we didn't even have a plan to combat the Chinese as the LAC was mostly peaceful but not the Western Front across the LoC.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Ig this statement is clear that further corp commander's meetings are done for legacy issues
It's for those who still claim Chinese capturing our land during 2020 clash as negotiations are still going on

Some issues that date back to 2013, so that means not all issues date back 2013 some maybe of 2020