India-China Border conflict

[thebakofbakchod]

Who needs enemies with these traitors inside

 

[mist_consecutive]

I was thinking that in a war scenario , what if just what if chinese invade india through pakistan.
I mean it's certain that if things get hwot at the border , pakistan will join the Chinese .
If I were a Chinese planner , I would have definitely thought of this scenario , china has no dearth of war equipment , they don't import like us , miniscule amounts in few numbers .
So massive armoured thrusts , a combined chinese and pakistan army will be a devastating scenario , imagine type 99 tanks rolling through rajasthan and punjab , destroying villages and pakis guiding the Chinese and acting as path finders .
Or plaaf flying in massive formations from noor alam or shah faisal bases !
China has huge numerical advantage in equipment and please don't believe that most of it is faulty and other BS .
Think of , china rolling down uttarakhand and himachal , china and pakistan crushing through panjab and rajasthan , to. Capture Delhi .
It's war , think of all issues .

Okay, your imagination is flying way high. Let's think it like this, can the Chinese + Pakistan Navy keep the Indian + NATO Navy from blockading and starving them of petrochemicals and metals ? In a scenario of Pakistan + China ganging up to us, why would USA, France and UK remain mute spectators ?

Come war and several masterpiece technologies will prove to be junk.

Well that may apply to our side as well

Well , we too will be nuked then.

Yeah, so ? The capture of large landmass and important cities warrants a nuclear exchange.

That is the beauty of MAD, everybody gets their share of nukes, so it stops big countries from having bigger ambitions.

 

[srevster]

The meltdowns on this thread are pretty hilarious. This is the long game and ideally the lack of response from GOI probably means that the CCP needs an enemy to cover up internal problems. This means they are on a brink of collapse.

 

[Alfalfa]

The meltdowns on this thread are pretty hilarious. This is the long game and ideally the lack of response from GOI probably means that the CCP needs an enemy to cover up internal problems. This means they are on a brink of collapse.

Most of us are growing tired of this "collapsing CCP" diatribe.. there seems to be no supporting facts or any emerging ground realities supporting this hypothesis

 

[srevster]

Most of us are growing tired of this "collapsing CCP" diatribe.. there seems to be no supporting facts or any emerging ground realities supporting this hypothesis

Hmm, they banned tutoring. Their companies are being trimmed and more state control. Lie flat movement. Hidden covid numbers. Factional infighting in CCP. jack Ma was disappeared for a bit. Popular actresses erased from the Internet. All Tech companies getting nerfed. Threatening Taiwan at risk of war with US. Threatening India at the border. Lack of visibility into Covid numbers. Evergrande, real estate crisis. Population slowdown.

what other evidence do you need sire? Does that seem like a healthy growing state or one looking to manage internal problems by shifting focus.

 

[ladder]

Hmm, they banned tutoring. Their companies are being trimmed and more state control. Lie flat movement. Hidden covid numbers. Factional infighting in CCP. jack Ma was disappeared for a bit. Popular actresses erased from the Internet. All Tech companies getting nerfed. Threatening Taiwan at risk of war with US. Threatening India at the border. Lack of visibility into Covid numbers. Evergrande, real estate crisis. Population slowdown.

what other evidence do you need sire? Does that seem like a healthy growing state or one looking to manage internal problems by shifting focus.

Pakistan after bankruptcy will still be Pakistan and China after collapse will still be China. Be with CCP or without them.

 

[mokoman]

Hmm, they banned tutoring. Their companies are being trimmed and more state control. Lie flat movement. Hidden covid numbers. Factional infighting in CCP. jack Ma was disappeared for a bit. Popular actresses erased from the Internet. All Tech companies getting nerfed. Threatening Taiwan at risk of war with US. Threatening India at the border. Lack of visibility into Covid numbers. Evergrande, real estate crisis. Population slowdown.

what other evidence do you need sire? Does that seem like a healthy growing state or one looking to manage internal problems by shifting focus.

people having been predicting CCP collapse for years.

i agree with the tech controls . its honestly good policy .

the taiwan threat is to make sure US stays at a distance and they dont declare independence - china is not going to invade taiwan now.

evergrande may hurt chinese economy , but nothing like a collapse.

 

[JBH22]

Who needs enemies with these traitors inside

A complete post requires a photo, based on this wikipedia page. he is fighting for a specific community

Colin Gonsalves is currently arguing against the deportation of Rohingya Muslims who have been driven out from Myanmar in a bloody crackdown by the Myanmar army.

 

[Floydian]

Atlast, someon has demanded for a debate.

Very much needed

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[srevster]

people having been predicting CCP collapse for years.

i agree with the tech controls . its honestly good policy .

the taiwan threat is to make sure US stays at a distance and they dont declare independence - china is not going to invade taiwan now.

evergrande may hurt chinese economy , but nothing like a collapse.

it’s not a good policy to install 1984 style big brother infrastructure. The system needs a release valve. CCP will collapse in next 5-10 years max. The social contract between people and government is broken when the economy stagnates

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

Most of us are growing tired of this "collapsing CCP" diatribe.. there seems to be no supporting facts or any emerging ground realities supporting this hypothesis

You are right, the "China collapsing" trope is something that has been going on for decades now, so it's hard to believe in it.

Something that must be noted though is that China hasn't won a war against a foreign power in over 400 years. They massively outnumbered the enemy sometimes 1000 to 1 in every conflict and they still lost. Even when they had technological parity with the enemy (rather than spear-wielding medieval chopsticks vs. Europeans with guns), they still lost.

You have to go back to the 1600s and find them slaughtering Russian migrants in Manchuria to find a war where they beat a foreign power, and it's debatable whether you can call “sending soldiers to massacre unarmed peasants who have no military support” a war. Not that their centuries of humiliating failure have prevented them from declaring victory, like when they attacked unarmed fishing boats and declared it a victory over the Philippines. Or when they invaded Vietnam, achieved none of their stated objectives, took disproportionate casualties, were driven out, and then declared victory anyway.

They're in the habit of lying to save face and try to look less incompetent.

Basically, every war with China goes the same way: China rushes the enemy with millions of screaming soldiers. Millions of screaming soldiers get slaughtered while inflicting less than dire casualties on the enemy. China retreats in defeat, then announces that they really won after all and only pulled out because they were tired of playing.

China quivers in impotent rage as it relives the Opium Wars and the Century of Humiliation over and over again.

 

[srevster]

You are right, the "China collapsing" trope is something that has been going on for decades now, so it's hard to believe in it.

Something that must be noted though is that China hasn't won a war against a foreign power in over 400 years. They massively outnumbered the enemy sometimes 1000 to 1 in every conflict and they still lost. Even when they had technological parity with the enemy (rather than spear-wielding medieval chopsticks vs. Europeans with guns), they still lost.

You have to go back to the 1600s and find them slaughtering Russian migrants in Manchuria to find a war where they beat a foreign power, and it's debatable whether you can call “sending soldiers to massacre unarmed peasants who have no military support” a war. Not that their centuries of humiliating failure have prevented them from declaring victory, like when they attacked unarmed fishing boats and declared it a victory over the Philippines. Or when they invaded Vietnam, achieved none of their stated objectives, took disproportionate casualties, were driven out, and then declared victory anyway.

They're in the habit of lying to save face and try to look less incompetent.

Basically, every war with China goes the same way: China rushes the enemy with millions of screaming soldiers. Millions of ‘screaming soldiers get slaughtered while inflicting less than dire casualties on the enemy. China retreats in defeat, then announces that they really won after all and only pulled out because they were tired of playing.

China quivers in impotent rage as it relives the Opium Wars and the Century of Humiliation over and over again.

lol, this is garbage. CCP is most dangerous right now with the most motivation to suppress India. 1962 is a victory overIndia.India needs to pre-empt their strike and cripple their capabilities. That’s the only way out of this mess. Making excuses like this above post makes us look weak and incapable of learning from the past

 

[Love Charger]

I saw the photos of our soldiers in pla captivity , well it's said the action took place at dusk , but in the video is day light
The photos were released on Twitter , an app banned in chene , why should I believe these photos are true .

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

lol, this is garbage. CCP is most dangerous right now with the most motivation to suppress India. 1962 is a victory overIndia.India needs to pre-empt their strike and cripple their capabilities. That’s the only way out of this mess. Making excuses like this above post makes us look weak and incapable of learning from the past

History would disagree with you. If you're gonna say something is "garbage" or "nonsense", you better be prepared to prove your point instead of one-liners.

No one claimed that the CCP is not an expansionist party that believes in suppressing other countries. That has been their ideology since the beginning. But Natsocs wanted to conquer the entire world, and got victories against Poland, France and other countries. Doesn't mean they ultimately were able to achieve shit.

I already made a post some time ago about how 1962 was pretty much a Pyrrhic victory for the Chinks and it transformed our capabilities too.

No one's suggesting that we should not prepare or be lackadaisical in our efforts. However, overestimating your enemy is dumb and retarded. Look at the Boxer Rebellion, its wars with Japan, the Korean war, the war with Vietnam and look at the condition of their military even now.

Dhoti-shivering and trying to make an enemy look bigger than he is is equally as retarded as thinking that we don't need to do anything to protect our borders. The Chinks are nothing but overglorified mongrels. And history is witness to this fact.

 

[Crazywithmath]

evergrande may hurt chinese economy , but nothing like a collapse.

One other real estate giant is on the verge of bankruptcy. If kept unchecked the domino effect can prove out to be a real pain in the chinese ass. A giant economy which came out to be the direct winner of globalisation is now shutting doors and wiping out trillions of dollars from market caps; a direct consequence of a not so subtle crackdown on domestic coglomerates; scaring foreign based investors away who are increasingly looking for alternative locations to bet their money. Not to forget an older demographic who will become increasingly hesitant to spend more. Wait! What is more is that their debt to GDP ratio trajectory is dangerously similar to that of another prematurely stalled giant economy - Japan.

Well, of course china won't collapse; nor will the CCP. However, it will be interesting to see how they manage all this especially when the world is becoming more and more wary of the middle kingdom and in turn more protectionist.

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Now to talk about numbers - they will just not let their growth rate go below 4%, i.e., it will still look good on paper but am curious how long they can continue with that bubble.

 

[Covfefe]

One other real estate giant is on the verge of bankruptcy. If kept unchecked the domino effect can prove out to be a real pain in the chinese ass. A giant economy which came out to be the direct winner of globalisation is now shutting doors and wiping out trillions of dollars from market caps; a direct consequence of a not so subtle crackdown on domestic coglomerates; scaring foreign based investors away who are increasingly looking for alternative locations to bet their money. Not to forget an older demography who will become increasingly hesitant to spend more. Wait! What is more is that their debt to GDP ratio trajectory is dangerously similar to that of another prematurely stalled giant economy - Japan.

Well, of course china won't collapse; nor will CCP. However, it will be interesting to see how they manage all this especially when the world is becoming more and more wary of the middle kingdom and in turn more protectionist.

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Now to talk about numbers - they will just not let their growth go below 4%, i.e., it will still look good on paper but am curious how long they can continue with that bubble.

TBH I think all economies have a big element of bubble. Any fast-growing(like Tech) or fast-selling(like real estate) segment of the economy comes with its share of froth. Remember the slowdown in the Indian real estate market since the RERA implementation- the rent in the posh areas of Mumbai stayed effectively the same for 3-4 years. Chinese with their provincial government land leasing and poor completion and handover norms take it to a different level altogether.

 

[Roshan]

"With an eye on Indian Ocean, China delivers most advanced warship to Pak" https://wap.business-standard.com/a...t-advanced-warship-to-pak-121110900866_1.html

 

[Crazywithmath]

TBH I think all economies have a big element of bubble. Any fast-growing(like Tech) or fast-selling(like real estate) segment of the economy comes with its share of froth. Remember the slowdown in the Indian real estate market since the RERA implementation- the rent in the posh areas of Mumbai stayed effectively the same for 3-4 years. Chinese with their provincial government land leasing and poor completion and handover norms take it to a different level altogether.

Yes. The way chinks used real estate, infra spending and govt owned companies to inflate their GDP numbers is just on a different level altogether. No other economy can even think of doing anything similar. But some bubbles eventually do burst. One real estate bubble burst stalled Japan.

TBH I am not sure whether even the chinese planners know of the exact seriousness of the problem or how deep the issues actually lie. They are even letting their small enterprises go bankrupt; something unimaginable even a few years back. In all probability they are just testing waters before doing anything concrete; however even that might not help them.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

What do people think about this as a way to track and detect China's activities?