India-China Border conflict

[Kumaoni]

Nah, they want to repeatedly do randi rona over the 16th June incident.

Show them pictures of dead Chinese soldiers and they will raise Kargil or claim we still lost too many men, general chor, ill equipped army.. 1st world war level preparedness & equipment... same folks will head to Russia Ukraine war thread and shit on Ukraine claiming Russia dancing around NATO in circles with cold war era equipment.

Kuch logo ka kuch nahi ho sakta. Inko perception war jeetna hai chahiye ground situation kuch bhi ho.

Bacche hain, jaane do.

mate I literally mock the retards of Gucci gang who keep raising Kargil. Most Gucci gang members are utter retards who don’t know a single operation done by the Indian army, because god forbid they read a book by an Indian, but they will use the same books for their god and savior American and western sof and then claim thousands of successful operations yearly (basically over 3 operations a day with no rest days)

 

[Jimih]

You should read ab General BC joshi then, who tried to keep the army out of COIN and make an independent SOF regiment.

It was Gen BC Joshi who created the Rashtriya Rifles.

So IA was to be involved in COIN ops as it was deemed necessary during that period.

 

[Kumaoni]

It was Gen BC Joshi who created the Rashtriya Rifles.

So IA was involved in COIN ops as it was deemed necessary during that period.

Yeah, RR was created because the army’s performance in Lanka as a conventional in COIN was very painful. Hence, he didn’t want the army to have readjust, and still be a conventional force. So he came with up the idea of RR. As many RR btns were still being set up in the early 90s, army led the COIN fight from 91 and then after 95 the fight became increasingly the RRs by the year.

He also wanted to create the special forces regiment and place that as independent from the army, but it wasn’t continued, unfortunately.

 

[Kumaoni]

The same things he said during his tenure as COAS .

So you want him to say we are ready for a 2 front war ?

 

[another_armchair]

It was Gen BC Joshi who created the Rashtriya Rifles.

So IA was to be involved in COIN ops as it was deemed necessary during that period.

IA was involved in anti insurgency ops in the NE post independence.

RR could be raised overnight from the experience gained in NE.

 

[DingDong]

Good question. Nothing. In pangong what they did is basically intrude into Indian patrolled territory. Same with Galwan. The territory we “lost” (the attacked us by surprise) was what we patrolled. The bastards, with their 15:1 numerical superiority (being serious) couldn’t even attack a single Indian military camp.

China's Galwan gamble was a strategic and geopolitical miscalculation, it did not deliver the desirable outcome.

India had virtually forgotten about the QUAD. Chinese action set India's tilt towards the US and vice-versa in motion. Russia-Ukraine war further complicated the Chinese position.

Other countries should have gathered intel and carried out their own assessment. The international reactions suggest that the final assessment is favorable towards India, and India's hard power has gained greater recognition. The conflict established India as a credible bulwark against the bully China.

Indian youth had no true memory of any India-China conflict that caused death to our soldiers. Galwan changed that. Galwan has made sure that the current and the next generation will treat China as an enemy. China will not be trusted for the next 30 years. No matter which government comes to power in future, it will not take a favorable view towards China.

 

[Jimih]

So you want him to say we are ready for a 2 front war ?

India is not the only country in the region which has the problem of fighting a 2-front war.

 

[vidhwanshak]

So you want him to say we are ready for a 2 front war ?

In short, yes.
As A COAS he said, "We are ready for a 2 front war" and we chose to believe him. But now, he is saying "no country can win a 2 front war" then what were you ready for ? Defeat ?

 

[Kumaoni]

In short, yes.
As A COAS he said, "We are ready for a 2 front war" and we chose to believe him. But now, he is saying "no country can win a 2 front war" then what were you ready for ? Defeat ?

He’s indirectly admitting we aren’t actually ready.

 

[DingDong]

In short, yes.
As A COAS he said, "We are ready for a 2 front war" and we chose to believe him. But now, he is saying "no country can win a 2 front war" then what were you ready for ? Defeat ?

IMO being a military man he meant to say that no country can win a conventional 2-front war against strong opponents. that is why diplomacy and other tricks are necessary to tilt the balance in our favor. Today is not an era of conventional warfare.

And quoting @Jimih who said that our enemies won't have to deal with multiple fronts?

 

[Kumaoni]

IA was involved in anti insurgency ops in the NE post independence.

RR could be raised overnight from the experience gained in NE.

IA ops in NE from 1957-2010 need more attention brought to it. Those guerullas had good equipment for that time, and this directly tied to this thread as China was (and still is) supporting them. Army was recovering Chinese rifles from then in 70s.

 

[another_armchair]

China's Galwan gamble was a strategic and geopolitical miscalculation, it did not deliver the desirable outcome.

India had virtually forgotten about the QUAD. Chinese action set India's tilt towards the US and vice-versa in motion. Russia-Ukraine war further complicated the Chinese position.

Other countries should have gathered intel and carried out their own assessment. The international reactions suggest that the final assessment is favorable towards India, and India's hard power has gained greater recognition. The conflict established India as a credible bulwark against the bully China.

Indian youth had no true memory of any India-China conflict that caused death to our soldiers. Galwan changed that. Galwan has made sure that the current and the next generation will treat China as an enemy. China will not be trusted for the next 30 years. No matter which government comes to power in future, it will not take a favorable view towards China.

China is working overtime to present a very favorable view of Chinese people towards Indians by inviting Indian vloggers and allowing them to roam the length and breadth of the country.. some have been there for a month painting such a rosy picture, it would seem nothing ever happened.

That's perception management CCP style.. and emotional Indians are melting in the comments section saying ' politicians are bad bro... BJP bad.. Modi bad.. Chinese such nice people.. Indian media bad bro...'.

Chinese mango people are ok but remember they are very clinical in what they do. They weren't like this but they learnt how to be clinical and methodical, almost machine like from the Japanese with whom they share a long love-hate relationship.

 

[DingDong]

IA was involved in anti insurgency ops in the NE post independence.

RR could be raised overnight from the experience gained in NE.

Creation of RR was a necessary invention based on the ground-level feedback. It has got more to do with the rotation of personnel in the forces than anything else. Small change, big impact.

 

[vidhwanshak]

IMO being a military man he meant to say that no country can win a conventional 2-front war against strong opponents. that is why diplomacy and other tricks are necessary to tilt the balance in our favor. Today is not an era of conventional warfare.

And quoting @Jimih who said that our enemies won't have to deal with multiple fronts?

Of course @Jimih's logic to approach this statement by COAS Narvane has no fault. But does our ability to fight 2 front-war depends on other's opening a front against China and Pakistan at the same time when they simutaneously open a front against us ?

 

[Kumaoni]

Creation of RR was a necessary invention based on the ground-level feedback. It has got more to do with the rotation of personnel in the forces than anything else. Small change, big impact.

Still one of the best creations by the IA, hands down.

It has done wonders and allows the army to only do border duties now.

Sadly that level of upper brass is gone and now we are led by complete jokers

https://www.business-standard.com/amp/article/current-affairs/indian-army-to-get-jetpack-suits-for-efficient-surveillance-along-borders-123030400901_1.html

 

[another_armchair]

Creation of RR was a necessary invention based on the ground-level feedback. It has got more to do with the rotation of personnel in the forces than anything else. Small change, big impact.

All I was implying is the officers/leaders were not new to CI given past experience and raising of RR could be expedited.

They didn't have to fly in 'consultants' from a third country to teach them the basics.

 

[vidhwanshak]

China is working overtime to present a very favorable view of Chinese people towards Indians by inviting Indian vloggers and allowing them to roam the length and breadth of the country.. some have been there for a month painting such a rosy picture, it would seem nothing ever happened.

That's perception management CCP style.. and emotional Indians are melting in the comments section saying ' politicians are bad bro... BJP bad.. Modi bad.. Chinese such nice people.. Indian media bad bro...'.

Chinese mango people are ok but remember they are very clinical in what they do. They weren't like this but they learnt how to be clinical and methodical, almost machine like from the Japanese with whom they share a long love-hate relationship.

these Indian vloggers have no sense of shame. Just saw a videos few day back where a lady chinese vlogger was making fun of us and saying that we won't be able to match them.

 

[another_armchair]

these Indian vloggers have no sense of shame. Just saw a videos few day back where a lady chinese vlogger was making fun of us and saying that we won't be able to match them.

We can't hit that low man, never.

Our conscious and conscience won't allow us to meet them at that low level, ever.

 

[another_armchair]

 

[Jimih]

But does our ability to fight 2 front-war depends on other's opening a front against China and Pakistan at the same time when they simutaneously open a front against us ?

Future wars to me doesn't look like a full scale conventional war.

It will be more like the current Russian style of SMO (special military operations).