India-China Border conflict

[mokoman]

some nice good news , looks like we are building an alternate route to DBO.

small new stretch is visible on sat images at 35.229 , 77.73985

pretty sure of now y chinese intruded along the LAC in eastern ladakh,

they didnt think we could build like this. , once they realised we could , they made their move.

its probably the blue route on the right side

 

[Hari Sud]

Chinese Intimidation tactics are having an impact on India.

In last one year Chinese know their own weaknesses in the Ladakh front but have not given up intimidating the equal number and well equipped Indian troops their. Their motive - if they could win the battle with intimidation then why fire a gun. Last year they publicized and Indian media picked up their word on light tanks on the heights which India did not have. The Indian media jumped on it, only to be told that Indian T-72 and T-90 will make a minced meat of the Chinese light tanks. Then the Chinese dumped that intimidation. Then they let it be known that for their troops on the heights have Oxygen rooms only to be told that un-acclamatized Chinese troops will not stand the heights, no matter what they do. Later they invented that they have positioned S-400 Russian missiles at LAC only to be told that delivery and training has not been completed. Moreover these were purchased for the South China Sea front not for the Himalayas. Only a few months back they were telling that they had laid fibre optic cable cable along the LAC to connect most posts and their look/see cameras to the rear. This is a big effort but Indian UAVs made by Israel do a better job of peering over their heads upto 300 km in the depth to know everything about what Chinese are upto. This again did not intimidate Indian troops. Now the newest of new Global Times report is that Chinese have positioned their rocket forces along the LAC in Ladakh, only to be told that equal number of Indian unguided and guided rockets are awaiting to incinerate the Chinese in the rear. Hence this intimidation tactics and propaganda is turning fruitless.

Only a few days back they recycled decades old photos of Indian troops in captivity being lead by Chinese soldiers. They pretended that these are recent Galwan Valley photos of last year‘s clash. That was the worst lie ever. Chinese lost that fist fight badly and lost 40 to 50 soldiers. Some dead or others with broken limbs were handed back to them the next day. As one person pointed out that these Indian soldiers in Chinese propaganda photos have a different type of shoes which were in use decades back hence these could not recent photos……. What a lie…… In their propaganda war they have not been able to tell a good lie. Well why are they doing it; their propaganda masters in Peking do not have enough knowledge of the LAC front, hence they think, everything they say will work.

The only thing which is working is the psycho fear it instills in the mind of desktop soldiers sitting in media offices or at home listening to them. Had the Chinese with all those superiority’s existed then they would have captured all the hills and peaks in Ladakh long time back. That would have given the Indian opposition parties opportunity to shout about invasion. That is not happening and no chance of it happening, but Chinese are trying their best.

 

[Tshering22]

actually PLA did have a flawed strategy , the initial assault into vietnam was made through northern vietnam , which is hilly and heavily inundated (bad for tanks formations) , the chinese strategy was (just like in ladakh) to use massive numbers on their side to overwhelm the enemy, but they were poorly trained and had outdated weapons
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the veteran vietnamese army used the terrain to their advantage and picked the chinese one by one
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look at the terrain the genius PLA drove their tanks into, what the PLA thought was a brilliant plan was actually a trap, here you can see a tank is stuck in mud
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Vietnamese are masters of jungle warfare. They know how to use the terrain around them to completely overwhelm the enemy. That tells a lot about why China changed its tactics to shadow warfare after the Vietnam War. After that, they use encroachment tactics and put the ball in the other party's court to start a war. That's what they have been doing with us, the Taiwanese and the Japanese as well.

It requires some serious brass balls to bludgeon a global superpower and a regional bully simultaneously in a long-drawn war of attrition while being disunited & being a bunch of ragtag militias.

Fun fact: USA and China are not the only military powers that got their asses handed back by Vietnam; apparently the Dai Viet did the same with the Mongol Empire in the 14/15th century as well. They flipped the bird on the Khaan who asked them to pay tribute & become a part of the Mongols. When the Steppe military of Mongols that was used to fighting in open grasslands entered Vietnam, it was a slaughterhouse for the Mongol forces.

 

[backburner]

Vietnamese are masters of jungle warfare. They know how to use the terrain around them to completely overwhelm the enemy. That tells a lot about why China changed its tactics to shadow warfare after the Vietnam War. After that, they use encroachment tactics and put the ball in the other party's court to start a war. That's what they have been doing with us, the Taiwanese and the Japanese as well.

It requires some serious brass balls to bludgeon a global superpower and a regional bully simultaneously in a long-drawn war of attrition while being disunited & being a bunch of ragtag militias.

Fun fact: USA and China are not the only military powers that got their asses handed back by Vietnam; apparently the Dai Viet did the same with the Mongol Empire in the 14/15th century as well. They flipped the bird on the Khaan who asked them to pay tribute & become a part of the Mongols. When the Steppe military of Mongols that was used to fighting in open grasslands entered Vietnam, it was a slaughterhouse for the Mongol forces.

yes horses like tanks need mobility to be effective , the same can be seen in the mughal invasion of assam

 

[backburner]

I agree with everything in your post, but my sarcasm appears to have been lost on you.

hahaha i got what you meant by chinese driving tanks,chinese are pretty bad at driving , i just wanted to elaborate about chinese weakness in mountain warfare

 

[Tshering22]

yes horses like tanks need mobility to be effective , the same can be seen in the mughal invasion of assam

Yes, but things are very different now. PLA knows that a human wave tactic in the generation of little emperors will only make them lose power at home. Bodybags of PLA soyboys returning from LAC will start getting noticed beyond a certain point as several families will wonder about where the young men from their families went. A full-fledged war is very different from a skirmish like Galwan with a one-time loss that can be dressed as "Indian aggression".

Therefore, they are aiming for a war where more machines are used and more missiles + artillery is used without sending too much manpower to the frontline.

I am quite sure that whether they face Taiwan or us or both; they would use a combination of a long-range artillery barrage to soften our defenses through a mix of terror tactics. Especially to scare the civilian population into building up the pressure against escalating the war.

I don't know about the Taiwanese but that will definitely not work with us.

Judging by their moves, terror tactics, and mass artillery distance attack would be their first moves when they start the war.

They need a war to distract their internal brewing unrest. So they will go to any extent.

Can any experts here provide a detailed analysis of how can we counter PLA in the Chumbi valley area? To execute a pincer move (either with light armor or air drop + artillery + infantry) we will need to use Bhutan's territory - despite our good ties, I wonder if Bhutan would be interested in allowing our forces in and do this kind of attack. The Bhutanese have been rather conciliatory to the Chinese despite losing territory since the 70s to the PLA encroachment tactics.

 

[Tshering22]

General G.D. Bakshi may be known for his passionate outbursts, but he has some valid analysis about how PLA could invade.

 

[ym888]

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[Hari Sud]

General G.D. Bakshi may be known for his passionate outbursts, but he has some valid analysis about how PLA could invade.

With due respect, is China prepared to suffer the consequences of trade disruption if they pick up a fight with US over Taiwan. Trade is their power and cash, if it is cut then all their ambitions will die. Hence military posturing by China is worthless.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

With due respect, is China prepared to suffer the consequences of trade disruption if they pick up a fight with US over Taiwan. Trade is their power and cash, if it is cut then all their ambitions will die. Hence military posturing by China is worthless.

That's kinda the thing. The US controls the sea routes. Once those are blockaded, John Chinaman is fucked. So, despite all their bravado, it doesn't seem that they can do much.

 

[Suhaldev]

 

[Viper316]

With due respect, is China prepared to suffer the consequences of trade disruption if they pick up a fight with US over Taiwan. Trade is their power and cash, if it is cut then all their ambitions will die. Hence military posturing by China is worthless.

They will face the same outrage if they attack India. Irrespective of the outcome, they would end up losing Indian consumer market also we may be forced to form a military allance with west. Next escalation will be on seas, a naval blockade by alliance forces will be inevitable. But i Still believe there wont be any war with china, they will keep up the pain points active in eastern sector but planning something major through its proxies

 

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India readies troops for another harsh winter on border with China

India is working overtime to better support its troops as they manage the border dispute with China, but rising operational costs remain a challenge.

www.defensenews.com

Army wants new radar for threat detection along China border

The radar figures on a new list of Make in India projects that the army plans to pursue in partnership with the industry

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[prasadr14]

With due respect, is China prepared to suffer the consequences of trade disruption if they pick up a fight with US over Taiwan. Trade is their power and cash, if it is cut then all their ambitions will die. Hence military posturing by China is worthless.

Taiwan is not some third world country, they can put a decent fight against China, enough to hurt them.
if US with all it's might could be bring Afg to boot, Chinks have no chance to do same in Taiwan.

Worst Chinks can do is destroy Taiwan through strikes,
putting soldiers in Taiwan would lead to Chinks being massacred.

This is before rest of the world starts pounding China.

Need to understand that most first world countries need Taiwan & it's industries.
For them Taiwan falling into China's hands is not an option.

 

[ezsasa]

With due respect, is China prepared to suffer the consequences of trade disruption if they pick up a fight with US over Taiwan. Trade is their power and cash, if it is cut then all their ambitions will die. Hence military posturing by China is worthless.

When we view this from prism of China(the country),their actions don’t seem rational.

but when their actions are viewed from prism of CCP, it makes perfect sense. they are willing to put china and it’s people at risk to spread their political worldview and making every other country their subordinates, just like their erstwhile kings and emperors.

 

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[knathan]

If war starts G219 will be LAC. nepal n butan indian states. Entire himalayan ours.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

If war starts G219 will be LAC. nepal n butan indian states. Entire himalayan ours.

Then what are we waiting for?

 

[Gandaberunda]

Then what are we waiting for?

Bat munchers to start war..

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Bat munchers to start war..

What is India's redline for war? Multiple incursions, blocking of patrols, 20 KIA at Galwan didn't prove to be India's redline.