India-China Border conflict

[BreathOfAnnhilation]

Btw why are we all forgetting that Xi and his fellow gang members of CCP are locked in a bitter gang war? They are currently having their plenum. Where more mudslinging is going to happen. I feel they have a insecurity that we might attack them. Hence, all this stupid propaganda shit lmao.

 

[Covfefe]

Btw why are we all forgetting that Xi and his fellow gang members of CCP are locked in a bitter gang war? They are currently having their plenum. Where more mudslinging is going to happen. I feel they have a insecurity that we might attack them. Hence, all this stupid propaganda shit lmao.

Could be. Any response from the Indian side would only consolidate Xi's position in the name of "external threat"

 

[BreathOfAnnhilation]

Could be. Any response from the Indian side would only consolidate Xi's position in the name of "external threat"

Or it could be for the consumption of home audience to strengthen his position and show that he taught India a lesson? Or it could be rival faction's plan to a provoke a response from India to undermine Xi in the Plenum. I feel the pressure to release pictures about Chinese hostages during a ongoing Plenum is something I am not sure is a coincidence.

Frog faction might be egging India to release pics or do something to undermine Xi. That is a slightly better theory in my opinion. Anyway, India should release pics when we feel like. Most probably during the winter Olympics scheduled in China lol.

 

[vidhwanshak]

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Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

what's the source of deployment of tanks in depsang during UPA?

considering they were so concerned about re-opening DBO


IAF reactivated DBO airstrip without Centre's permission, says Air Marshal (Retd) Pranab Kumar Barbora
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IAF reactivated DBO airstrip without Centre's permission, says Air Marshal (Retd) Pranab Kumar Barbora

New Delhi [India], June 7 (ANI): The Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO) airstrip being used in the ongoing dispute in eastern Ladakh near the China border was reactivated by the Indian Air Force (IAF) without taking written permission of the government, says former Vice Chief Air Marshal (Retd) Pranab Kumar...

www.aninews.in

UPA ke time jo depsang me Chinese intrusion thi, kya usme koi military action hua tha? Infact vo apni marzi se aaye apni marzi se gaye aur ulta Chumar me India ko apne military installations ko hatana pada.
Depsang of 2013 was a diplomatic win for China. ek platoon aayi aur IA ko Chumar se apne logistics hatane pade.

2020 Chinese intrusion in Galwan, Pangong, Gogra, Hot Springs. lekin kya current GoI ne koi construction roka?? ulta tej kiya... kya GoI ne koi military action liya? hnn, operation snow leopard kiya.

2020 Chinese intrusion is different from 2013 by a lot. Idhar bhi wo construction rokna chahte the. Did we stop?

see the above tweet by yourself.

ab aap log upar wali table ko dekho. Hum log abhi reality me baat kare to agar china ke saath "short and localised" conflict hota hai to koi dikkat nahi hai. Lekin agar ye conflict prolonged hai aur agar ye 2 sided front me badalta hai to problem hai. Humari economy aise war ko nahi kar sakti support. Chinese economy is 5x than us. Aur sabse sharm to political parties ko aani chaihye. Till 1980s, China ki economy was same as us. Please search "Great Leap Forward(China)" on google. Economy wali dikkat is a legacy issue.

Ek comparison karte hai, kargil war me porkis ne kiya tha kaafi peaks pe kabza? IA aur governemnt ne kya kiya? Choda unn randiyo ko. Kya koi military talks hui? kya koi diplomatic talks hui? seedha hi we flushed them out of loc.

Yaha pe bhi wohi kar sakte the hum... lekin political leadership me dum nahi hai. Dum isliye nahi hai kyuki economy unki jaisi nahi hai.
Mujhe nahi pata ki baaki log kya sochte hai, but GoI has shown some spine this time by denying Chinese demands. Although this is not satisfactory, but this shows that political and bureaucratic babus have learned the meaning of sovreignity to some extent.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Top IAF brass to discuss security situation along China border

New Delhi (India), November 8 (ANI): Amid the ongoing military stand-off with China along the Line of Actual Control, the top brass of the Indian Air Force will review the security situation along the northern borders from Wednesday.

www.aninews.in

IAF babus leaving no opportunity to grab more chai-biscut

 

[mist_consecutive]

This is a massive amount of IED. China pushing more insurgency in NE ?

 

[ezsasa]

Top IAF brass to discuss security situation along China border

New Delhi (India), November 8 (ANI): Amid the ongoing military stand-off with China along the Line of Actual Control, the top brass of the Indian Air Force will review the security situation along the northern borders from Wednesday.

www.aninews.in

IAF babus leaving no opportunity to grab more chai-biscut

Spare some black pills for our adversaries too mate !!! if you finish off all our black pills on our own guys, we might fall short on black pill stock for our adversaries when time comes.

 

[Mantospace]

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UPA ke time jo depsang me Chinese intrusion thi, kya usme koi military action hua tha? Infact vo apni marzi se aaye apni marzi se gaye aur ulta Chumar me India ko apne military installations ko hatana pada.
Depsang of 2013 was a diplomatic win for China. ek platoon aayi aur IA ko Chumar se apne logistics hatane pade.

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2020 Chinese intrusion in Galwan, Pangong, Gogra, Hot Springs. lekin kya current GoI ne koi construction roka?? ulta tej kiya... kya GoI ne koi military action liya? hnn, operation snow leopard kiya.

2020 Chinese intrusion is different from 2013 by a lot. Idhar bhi wo construction rokna chahte the. Did we stop?
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see the above tweet by yourself.

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ab aap log upar wali table ko dekho. Hum log abhi reality me baat kare to agar china ke saath "short and localised" conflict hota hai to koi dikkat nahi hai. Lekin agar ye conflict prolonged hai aur agar ye 2 sided front me badalta hai to problem hai. Humari economy aise war ko nahi kar sakti support. Chinese economy is 5x than us. Aur sabse sharm to political parties ko aani chaihye. Till 1980s, China ki economy was same as us. Please search "Great Leap Forward(China)" on google. Economy wali dikkat is a legacy issue.

Ek comparison karte hai, kargil war me porkis ne kiya tha kaafi peaks pe kabza? IA aur governemnt ne kya kiya? Choda unn randiyo ko. Kya koi military talks hui? kya koi diplomatic talks hui? seedha hi we flushed them out of loc.

Yaha pe bhi wohi kar sakte the hum... lekin political leadership me dum nahi hai. Dum isliye nahi hai kyuki economy unki jaisi nahi hai.
Mujhe nahi pata ki baaki log kya sochte hai, but GoI has shown some spine this time by denying Chinese demands. Although this is not satisfactory, but this shows that political and bureaucratic babus have learned the meaning of sovreignity to some extent.

One answer create local conflict like galwan aur thok ddaalooo PLA ki chote chote units ko.

PLA ki himmat nhi hai, warna images release na karte, balki ladaiii karte.

 

[mokoman]

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

what's the source of deployment of tanks in depsang during UPA?

considering they were so concerned about re-opening DBO


IAF reactivated DBO airstrip without Centre's permission, says Air Marshal (Retd) Pranab Kumar Barbora
Read more At:

IAF reactivated DBO airstrip without Centre's permission, says Air Marshal (Retd) Pranab Kumar Barbora

New Delhi [India], June 7 (ANI): The Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO) airstrip being used in the ongoing dispute in eastern Ladakh near the China border was reactivated by the Indian Air Force (IAF) without taking written permission of the government, says former Vice Chief Air Marshal (Retd) Pranab Kumar...

www.aninews.in

i cant find the source for the tanks , we do have stationed tanks there , it supposed to be kept in special shelters to protect them from the cold. i am probably wrong about date . print article says it started in 2015.

large portions of the unmetalled DBO road was build under UPA including section near y junc , which is where chinese are blocking us.

blacktopping on road to F3 along pangong tso banks was also started in 2013 , completed in 2014.

there isnt a comparison between LAC infra building during UPA and now . the new LAC road along arunachal itself will cost around 10 billion $$$ , IMHO credit goes to Gadkari .

just saying that "nothing was build" or UPA let china take over territory is wrong.

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UPA ke time jo depsang me Chinese intrusion thi, kya usme koi military action hua tha? Infact vo apni marzi se aaye apni marzi se gaye aur ulta Chumar me India ko apne military installations ko hatana pada.
Depsang of 2013 was a diplomatic win for China. ek platoon aayi aur IA ko Chumar se apne logistics hatane pade.

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2020 Chinese intrusion in Galwan, Pangong, Gogra, Hot Springs. lekin kya current GoI ne koi construction roka?? ulta tej kiya... kya GoI ne koi military action liya? hnn, operation snow leopard kiya.

2020 Chinese intrusion is different from 2013 by a lot. Idhar bhi wo construction rokna chahte the. Did we stop?
View attachment 118246

see the above tweet by yourself.

View attachment 118247
ab aap log upar wali table ko dekho. Hum log abhi reality me baat kare to agar china ke saath "short and localised" conflict hota hai to koi dikkat nahi hai. Lekin agar ye conflict prolonged hai aur agar ye 2 sided front me badalta hai to problem hai. Humari economy aise war ko nahi kar sakti support. Chinese economy is 5x than us. Aur sabse sharm to political parties ko aani chaihye. Till 1980s, China ki economy was same as us. Please search "Great Leap Forward(China)" on google. Economy wali dikkat is a legacy issue.

Ek comparison karte hai, kargil war me porkis ne kiya tha kaafi peaks pe kabza? IA aur governemnt ne kya kiya? Choda unn randiyo ko. Kya koi military talks hui? kya koi diplomatic talks hui? seedha hi we flushed them out of loc.

Yaha pe bhi wohi kar sakte the hum... lekin political leadership me dum nahi hai. Dum isliye nahi hai kyuki economy unki jaisi nahi hai.
Mujhe nahi pata ki baaki log kya sochte hai, but GoI has shown some spine this time by denying Chinese demands. Although this is not satisfactory, but this shows that political and bureaucratic babus have learned the meaning of sovreignity to some extent.

we did stop construction , the feeder road Nitin mentioned connecting PP14 to DBO wasnt build.

after talks we removed our posts as well as a helipad from PP14.

we are however building another road above the valley which was found by @mist_consecutive

last i checked , construction is still going on . it wont go upto PP14 , but upto our end of buffer zone

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

check out the road network we are building in galwan valley

this is above the valley ,

we also expanded the base here , i blurred it out tho.

check the black arrows on right side . those are the construction vehicles.

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I am still thinking about the long battle
They came in to figer 4 panging tao above the ridge they came to pp14 and took over many areas of spongar tso
Rechin la requin la then op snow leopard happened retreat from all places except galwan
They alo gained the land in Bhutan can you explain what they gained in this war again

 

[backburner]

That image (google earth) is of Tawang sector and not Chumbi valley (Siliguri/Chickens neck area). The distance between edge of the Tibet plateau and Indian flatlands is least in this sector (~80km), and their forward most position is <40km. It's very simplistic to say tanks cannot be used in this terrain, it's not ideal and you cannot use it in the same way as in the plains, but we ourselves have used it, including in Kailash range last year.

i know i used the image to present the type of terrain the chinese are facing

this is the terrain of chumbi vallety , where is the room to manuever ? where is the flat land to use large tank formations , it looks like a death trap for heavy armour.

the news regarding kailash range mentioned that IA climbed the top of the mountains and established bases near the ridge line
https://theprint.in/opinion/why-ind...ne-and-the-importance-of-chushul-bowl/499469/

look at the map , no trees , flat valleys , a lot of room for manuevering large battle formations

look at the terrain where the tanks are placed

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars after finishing dinner I was seeing the Mist_consecutive-DFI post on the AK 100 posted that then seen the Mokoman-CCP post copied it then downloaded the image and posted it as simple as that.

 

[mist_consecutive]

i cant find the source for the tanks , we do have stationed tanks there , it supposed to be kept in special shelters to protect them from the cold. i am probably wrong about date . print article says it started in 2015.

large portions of the unmetalled DBO road was build under UPA including section near y junc , which is where chinese are blocking us.

blacktopping on road to F3 along pangong tso banks was also started in 2013 , completed in 2014.

there isnt a comparison between LAC infra building during UPA and now . the new LAC road along arunachal itself will cost around 10 billion $$$ , IMHO credit goes to Gadkari .

just saying that "nothing was build" or UPA let china take over territory is wrong.



we did stop construction , the feeder road Nitin mentioned connecting PP14 to DBO wasnt build.

after talks we removed our posts as well as a helipad from PP14.

we are however building another road above the valley which was found by @mist_consecutive

last i checked , construction is still going on . it wont go upto PP14 , but upto our end of buffer zone

The road will probably reach PP14, for this year I think work has been halted. Also our buffer zone is way ahead than where the road is ending currently.

LMAO , @Haldilal ,

plz delete that tweet

not a good thing to put out for everyone to see

i knew u would post it , thats y deleted my post here.

how did u post it on twitter so fast ???

What image ? send me in PM please...

 

[mist_consecutive]

That image (google earth) is of Tawang sector and not Chumbi valley (Siliguri/Chickens neck area). The distance between edge of the Tibet plateau and Indian flatlands is least in this sector (~80km), and their forward most position is <40km. It's very simplistic to say tanks cannot be used in this terrain, it's not ideal and you cannot use it in the same way as in the plains, but we ourselves have used it, including in Kailash range last year.

@The Shrike I think the Chinese ignorance has been taken too seriously here.

There are only two places where tanks can be used in NE, one is Naku La which is north Sikkim, another is a few isolated plateau of Tawang.

Naku La, especially has very similar terrain to Ladakh, that is high-altitude flat desert plateaus with gentle slopes and a lack of vegetation.
However, the terrain ends at the Indo-China border so they cannot "push" any armor forward, like in Ladakh.

Tawang is even trickier, and only Bum-La is a bit suitable for armor rollout. Even rolling down towards Tawang, tanks will be restricted to narrow mountain roads with 0 maneuverability. Other parts are way too steep for free vehicular movement.

At last, a tank's advantage is outflanking the enemy with speed and firepower. A sitting and sluggish tank is an easy target for ATGMs and even Carl Gustavs.

 

[backburner]

This has nothing to do with PLA strategy. Staying true to the stereotype, its the Chinese drivers behind the wheels.

actually PLA did have a flawed strategy , the initial assault into vietnam was made through northern vietnam , which is hilly and heavily inundated (bad for tanks formations) , the chinese strategy was (just like in ladakh) to use massive numbers on their side to overwhelm the enemy, but they were poorly trained and had outdated weapons

the veteran vietnamese army used the terrain to their advantage and picked the chinese one by one

look at the terrain the genius PLA drove their tanks into, what the PLA thought was a brilliant plan was actually a trap, here you can see a tank is stuck in mud

 

[vidhwanshak]

Tibetan Faces in the PLA

claudearpi.blogspot.com

The above blog is worth reading.

Spoiler: PLA honors xxx

 

[Tshering22]

Tibetan Faces in the PLA

claudearpi.blogspot.com

The above blog is worth reading.

Spoiler: PLA honors xxx

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WTF are all those medals for? Stealing land through encroaching tactics?

They sure as heck have not fought anything to get all that.

 

[vidhwanshak]

WTF are all those medals for? Stealing land through encroaching tactics?

They sure as heck have not fought anything to get all that.

You got it all wrong, mate.

Social credit for civilians and medals for soldiers.

 

[backburner]

Believe in Christ , y'all Nibbiars.
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jesus christ is my lord and saviour , he has guided me to follow the true path and relinquish the pagan ways of my ancestors , whenever i feel lost in life i drink the blood of christ , though the recent tax hike by the hindoo nationalist government has made it difficult to connect with christ in a deeper level

 

[maximus777]

actually PLA did have a flawed strategy , the initial assault into vietnam was made through northern vietnam , which is hilly and heavily inundated (bad for tanks formations) , the chinese strategy was (just like in ladakh) to use massive numbers on their side to overwhelm the enemy, but they were poorly trained and had outdated weapons
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the veteran vietnamese army used the terrain to their advantage and picked the chinese one by one
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look at the terrain the genius PLA drove their tanks into, what the PLA thought was a brilliant plan was actually a trap, here you can see a tank is stuck in mud
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I agree with everything in your post, but my sarcasm appears to have been lost on you.