India-China Border conflict

[maximus777]

Kabaddi kabaddi

 

[DumbPilot]

Poorly advised Nehru by his intelligence chief and defence minister

The IB still had lots of accurate information popping in.

The main failure in this was Nehru trying to hide any sort of grievances with China to promote the Panch-sheel agreement(even though that failed the minute China took hold of Tibet with force..), and essentially ignoring his military advice.. General Thimayya and Thorat had been advising Nehru about China's shitshow in 1962 since atleast the late 1950s..

Contributing elements known as Krishna Menon(defense minister), Brij Mohan Kaul, and some other officers at that level succeeded into making a surefire victory for India into a crushing, humiliating defeat through utter arrogance, incompetence and inability to adapt.

"1962: The War that Wasn't" by SK Verma covers the entirety of the 1962 war successfully -- history, geography, ground facts, and from the prelude through to the prologue. I recommend reading it. You will come to hate the people who were in charge in 1962 -- in my eyes they are the biggest of traitors. Where the NCOs and JCOs and ground level officers performed so admiringly, they can only go so far when they left out for dead by their own commanders.

The Rajput, Kumaoni, and Garhwali battalions of this war will forever be heroes for me, facing against unsurmountable odds and paying the price with no hesitation.

 

[Hari Sud]

My God what has bloody happened...

What has Happened is that China has become Bored and Tired

Gogra -- PP 15 was the Most difficult Point during Negotiations

They have Realised that they are Not gaining anything by just being present there

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[Hari Sud]

 

[mokoman]

much needed .

so now some apps will get restored I feel? Aliexpress can be a good start

hope so . indian chutiyas are regardless selling same shit on amazon at 10x price.

 

[Hari Sud]

Key strategic and diplomatic issues in one week

1. US will resume military supplies to Pakistan amounting to $650 million to upgrade their F-16 to F-16V level. This is a bad news for India where Biden Administration has gone back on its word to stop military supplies initiated by Trump Administration.

2. Chinese have withdrawn from Gogra and Hot Springs area (PP 15 & PP17). There is no military advantage or disadvantage for the either side, but a point of confrontation initiated by China in 2020 has been eliminated.

There are disadvantages of the American move to rearm Pakistan; that it will become belligerent again, although it has been calmed a bit for the last three years. India will have to speed up upgrade of the Su-30Mk1 and buy better and more versatile missiles for its fighters, sooner than later.

The Chinese withdrawal is settling a prestige issue for both the countries. Occupation or non occupation is a worthless issue in a desolate snow covered land. It takes away an issue from Indian opposition parties also.

 

[AlphaLegis]

Chinese permanent base is just 4 km from the disengagement point, whereas ours is 14 km with meagre road development. This area is among the most remote area in whole of Ladakh, not even nomadic tribes live there.

Could you please share any maps to show these! Thanks!

 

[mist_consecutive]

much needed .



hope so . indian chutiyas are regardless selling same shit on amazon at 10x price.

Hmm, the article completely fails to mention the location of the new airbase. IMO IAF should focus on paving Nyoma ALG and making it a full-fledged base capable of supporting regular transport than creating a new one.

Could you please share any maps to show these! Thanks!

Posting maps is too much hassle, will do when there is something interesting/unique to show.

Meanwhile, look at this - https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5327507,78.6394495,1000m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e4

The point in focus is called Kungrang La pass, and it is the watershed LAC. If you follow the road north-west, you will see Chinese posts, if you follow it south-east all the way to the place it meets the main river, that's where our permanent ITBP post lies.

 

[mist_consecutive]

The place is such absolute heaven. Sad we lost it in 1959 due to the blunders of beloved Chacha Nehru.

 

[mokoman]

Could you please share any maps to show these! Thanks!

green = DBO shyok road . vital strategic road going upto remote most point DBO . we will lose DBO in first hr of war.

i think its plain why pp15 is important .

Chinese are preparing to 'cut' the green road . at galwan valley and via pp15/pp17a/gogra .

green -> yellow line -> pp15 also goes to their gigantic galwan base , we could attack them from behind - so chinese are bit hesitant in any buffer zone here.

fun fact : chinese build a road across PP15 during UPA/NDA era . on land they accept as Indian . thats what is called aukut

 

[mist_consecutive]

green = DBO shyok road . vital strategic road going upto remote most point DBO . we will lose DBO in first hr of war.

i think its plain why pp15 is important .

Chinese are preparing to 'cut' the green road . at galwan valley and via pp15/pp17a/gogra .

green -> yellow line -> pp15 also goes to their gigantic galwan base , we could attack them from behind - so chinese are bit hesitant in any buffer zone here.

fun fact : chinese build a road across PP15 during UPA/NDA era . on land they accept as Indian . thats what is called aukut

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Just a small correction, the road from green -> yellow (Tsogstsalu, or T-salu ITBP base) does not exist. However it has been sanction to be built recently. Currently the connectivity to Gogra-Hotspring is through Marsimik-La pass, and joining to Lukung (Pangong Tso).

Currently Marsimik-La pass gets closed during winters due to heavy snowfall, plus its very close to LAC where Chinese can mount an attack and choke the lifeline of Gogra-Hotspring.

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

green = DBO shyok road . vital strategic road going upto remote most point DBO . we will lose DBO in first hr of war.

i think its plain why pp15 is important .

Chinese are preparing to 'cut' the green road . at galwan valley and via pp15/pp17a/gogra .

green -> yellow line -> pp15 also goes to their gigantic galwan base , we could attack them from behind - so chinese are bit hesitant in any buffer zone here.

fun fact : chinese build a road across PP15 during UPA/NDA era . on land they accept as Indian . thats what is called aukut

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They will engage in Arunachal Pradesh next this is not over one fine day we will wake up and the Chinese would have run over the area while our guys will be sleeping

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

@omaebakabaka not joking

 

[another_armchair]

They will engage in Arunachal Pradesh next this is not over one fine day we will wake up and the Chinese would have run over the area while our guys will be sleeping

We will fiercely engage them in multiple rounds of chai-biscuit.

China will go back by a mile.

We go back by 20.

Win.

 

[mokoman]

Just a small correction, the road from green -> yellow (Tsogstsalu, or T-salu ITBP base) does not exist. However it has been sanction to be built recently. Currently the connectivity to Gogra-Hotspring is through Marsimik-La pass, and joining to Lukung (Pangong Tso).

Currently Marsimik-La pass gets closed during winters due to heavy snowfall, plus its very close to LAC where Chinese can mount an attack and choke the lifeline of Gogra-Hotspring.

yea ur right . i didnt mark the pangong tso -> Marsimik-La -> gogra road either .

 

[vidhwanshak]

 

[mokoman]

They will engage in Arunachal Pradesh next this is not over one fine day we will wake up and the Chinese would have run over the area while our guys will be sleeping

its not a hopeless situation or anything but - we have land across our official border .

we need to resurvey and redraw the border , build roads atleast somewhat close to them .

failing both - it will be hard to defend if Chinese cross over and they will at some point .

 

[Master Chief]

mujhe bhi yehi darr lag raha hai.

But, Darr ke aage jeet hain..

 

[mist_consecutive]

Does anyone have reports of build-up in NE & Sikkim ?

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Does anyone have reports of build-up in NE & Sikkim ?

I don't think it's true all of them are reported by mokoman Sikkim boundary was settled by some agreement don't remember which buts it's the Chinese they care for nothing