India-China Border conflict

[srevster]

The PLAGF has modelled itself on the americans,and become too mechanized.Everything is mechanized or motorized.This makes them devastating on flat plains terrain ,but severely disadvantaged in mountain terrain against India's specialized mountain infantry divisions.This is not hyperbole but fact.PLA is just lacking actual proper foot infantry.The mechanized assault infantry tactics accompanying tank columns is useless in mountains.First the terrain doesnt allow movement and 2nd your logistics won't sustain deep operations.
So people getting impressed by the mechanized PLA brigades chill,its not a strength- in the himalays its actually a weakness.If PLA divisions are someday deployed on pakistan opposite punjab/rajasthan then you have a cause for possible panic.In the himalays they try anything against an entrenched IA,they will get a bruising.They know it.Otherwise they would have attacked a nibbled off territory after doklam and galwan.
Also right now they can't prevent IN from cutting off their oil supplies in IOR,so they can't fight a long war.That may change post 2030s.

Yes, their tactics are to knibble away territory until they can move that equipment past the Himalayan range

 

[thefewthefearless]

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[Chandragupt Maurya]

An army made on imports cannot fight them .
We are inferior on tech and inferior on numbers hence it's better we don't fight
We will lose

Inferior on infrastructure front millitary hardware is at par with China and India has smaller territory to defend so isn’t inferior in numbers either

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

And they went back for specific reason.

Unless logistics are sorted out, there really is no way any country can wage a war.
Even USA had to pander to Pakis just so that their logistics are catered for in Afg.

Chinks will have to sort out their logistics to fight a way even for few hours in NE.
Logistics includes constant supply of food, weapons, oil, men etc etc.
Any one of them disrupted, they are royally screwed.

Considering the terrain in NE, even feeding a few thousands on the move is going to be a tough task.
An attack force for Chinks will be constantly moving with supply chain meeting the demand for forward bases.

Imagine we take out some critical routes of their supply chains.

Wars are won or lost on how well logistics are handled.

They’re improving the logistics high speed rail corridors , Airports , Expressways are being built in Tibbet and they have plans to extend it in Nepal

 

[SavageKing456]

But why Mudi bad if China makes something within their own boundary ?

There's something like manipulating media
China knows it perfectly.
Very few people actually know how much territory India currently holds and there's always a confusion,knowing that most Indians don't even know where IA patrols and holds the territory China takes advantage of that and stupid people spread it.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

India twitter chaps, always ready to find non existent holes, in chinese / Pakistani videos.. It can be seen in the video that the river / nalla is frozen.. and it need not snow everywhere 24 /7 in a desert region like ladakh in winter..

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

@fire starter
Border Infrastructure in India is inferior to China not because India lacks money but because India lacks political consensus.
land acquisition in India is the biggest problem even if the fund is released for Delhi-Patna(Guwahati)-Kolkata High Speed Rail Corridor who will ensure timely land acquisition in Bihar , Bengal and North East Indian Government must ensure swift land acquisition if states can’t do it Centre should do the land acquisition

 

[Suryavanshi]

The PLAGF has modelled itself on the americans,and become too mechanized.Everything is mechanized or motorized.This makes them devastating on flat plains terrain ,but severely disadvantaged in mountain terrain against India's specialized mountain infantry divisions.This is not hyperbole but fact.PLA is just lacking actual proper foot infantry.The mechanized assault infantry tactics accompanying tank columns is useless in mountains.First the terrain doesnt allow movement and 2nd your logistics won't sustain deep operations.
So people getting impressed by the mechanized PLA brigades chill,its not a strength- in the himalays its actually a weakness.If PLA divisions are someday deployed on pakistan opposite punjab/rajasthan then you have a cause for possible panic.In the himalays they try anything against an entrenched IA,they will get a bruising.They know it.Otherwise they would have attacked a nibbled off territory after doklam and galwan.
Also right now they can't prevent IN from cutting off their oil supplies in IOR,so they can't fight a long war.That may change post 2030s.

Half of their country is Just Mountains and at that too some really fucked up mountain with weird gradient.
Don't know what their philosophy is at most with Mech infantry they will have advantage against russia or Vietnam but rest of their borders don't favour it.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

@fire starter
Border Infrastructure in India is inferior to China not because India lacks money but because India lacks political consensus.
land acquisition in India is the biggest problem even if the fund is released for Delhi-Patna(Guwahati)-Kolkata High Speed Rail Corridor who will ensure timely land acquisition in Bihar , Bengal and North East Indian Government must ensure swift land acquisition if states can’t do it Centre should do the land acquisition

Under the current government .. many of the strategic border roads have been completed or nearing completion.. Environmental regulations have been relaxed, and capital location towards border infra development has been increased.. No need to dispair about infrastructure.. We are doing well, and closing the gap with China, although we wont reach parity..

 

[mokoman]

lake is frozen but valley doesnt look snowed in.

they have no reason to fake this pic , the area has been under their control since last year.

below is few weeks old pic , this is area in question. you can see the stairs , walls , raised section ,

lake is frozen , but no snow anywhere.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Half of their country is Just Mountains and at that too some really fucked up mountain with weird gradient.
Don't know what their philosophy is at most with Mech infantry they will have advantage against russia or Vietnam but rest of their borders don't favour it.

Still they are successfully making expressways and high speed railways in those mountains india doesn’t have that kind of difficult terrain but because of the lack of political will the border infrastructure in india is nowhere near China
They’re researching and finding out ways making that difficult terrain easy and that difficult terrain wont always remain difficult history is the witness nothing remains difficult Tibbet which was once considered difficult and impossible to capture is today a Chinese territory
Remember nothing is as difficult as the mentality the biggest difference between india and china is the mentality itself indians accept the defeat without even trying while the Chinese keep trying
Nehru suffered from the same mentality he thought Tibbet is a difficult terrain so China wouldn’t be able to capture it

 

[mokoman]

What about Patia-la?

claudearpi.blogspot.com

i see more and more veterans annoyed with gov.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

What about Patia-la?

claudearpi.blogspot.com

i see more and more veterans annoyed with gov.

He is former 3 div commander right? Has he spoken/tweeted on galwan after the clash?

 

[mokoman]

He is former 3 div commander right? Has he spoken/tweeted on galwan after the clash?

not sure. , he did 1hr interview on youtube . talked about galwan and depsang.

he also said he personally did patrols across bottleneck / y junction in depsang , to PP10 - PP13 , i think in 2015 or 2016

place where China is now blocking us and something the gov now calls old "legacy issue"

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

not sure. , he did 1hr interview on youtube . talked about galwan and depsang.

he also said he personally did patrols across bottleneck / y junction in depsang , to PP10 - PP13 , i think in 2015 or 2016

place where China is now blocking us and something the gov now calls old "legacy issue"

Till 2017, I just recalled the video, he was div commander there till 2017 and said we had access to those areas

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Are bhai paisa kaha se ayaga? To make those expressways and HSR tracks. You can't expect bullet trains in Bihar (the poorest state) and WB (crumbling/dying economy). We're not a $10 trillion GDP country that can construct bullet trains everywhere.

Tibbet is also the poorest province in China and that’s why they’re making the infrastructure in Tibbet to strengthen the local economy of Tibbet (though 94% of their population is in coastal areas or along yangtze river economic belt)
Chinese economy is strong because of the infrastructure and not the other way around
Btw Delhi-Patna(Guwahati)-Kolkata HSR is proposed by Indian railways it’s not my assumption

 

[mokoman]

Tibbet is also the poorest province in China and that’s why they’re making the infrastructure in Tibbet to strengthen the economy
Chinese economy is strong because of the infrastructure and not the other way around

i agree , if Chinese had North east they would have build roads bridges connecting it to Tibet as well as Myanmar , and that highway connecting NE to Myanmmar and Thailand

but still , IMHO building roads/bridges is easier in Tibet as its a plateau,


besides u need all those infrastructure to keep the local population "in check" , it wasnt for their sake or local economy.

the G219 road cutting across Aksai chin was also build for same reason , back in 1951 itself. 11 years before it lead to 1962 india-china war.

Dont want them poor tibetans and muslim uyhurs to get any bright ideas u know.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

What's going on inside closed doors in Raisina hills... can't guess but it's annoying... sometimes I am forced to think "This Man" is literally lost in himself

"Make in India" & "Aatmnirbhar Bharat" etc. are good but every new policy does only 1 thing: further slowing down defence procurement

More & more anti-govt voices will rise if modernisation is further delayed... defending this govt on SM on defence issues will become impossible

No matter how much you label Chinese moves as Propaganda... every next of their moves ends up humiliating you... aapse to Propaganda bhi nahi hota

All they have done is to cut down on numbers of sanctioned necessary equipment.

I have made this prediction before... Entire 2023 will be a bloody Tussle with China... & bcoz of the silence & inaction of the govt... the morale of citizens & armed forces will diminish... their silence & inaction has made Chinese appear unstoppable.

Can anybody list of all defence acquisitions in financial year 2021-22?

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Tibbet is also the poorest province in China and that’s why they’re making the infrastructure in Tibbet to strengthen the local economy of Tibbet (though 94% of their population is in coastal areas or along yangtze river economic belt)
Chinese economy is strong because of the infrastructure and not the other way around
Btw Delhi-Patna(Guwahati)-Kolkata HSR is proposed by Indian railways it’s not my assumption

What is your obsession with 12 lane express ways, and high speed rails.. along LAC.. What is the great advantage that a 12 lane express way and 300 km /hr high speed rail bring, that a four lane regular highway, and 100 km/ hr trains dont ( And we are building both very quickly ).. Does it make economic sense, when much of Chinese high speed rail is saddled in enormous debt ? And high speed rail slows down in hilly areas.. I have travelled in High speed rail in Europe.. And as soon as they enter the mountainous terrain of Switzerland they slow down to snail's pace..

 

[Physx32]

Tibbet is also the poorest province in China and that’s why they’re making the infrastructure in Tibbet to strengthen the local economy of Tibbet (though 94% of their population is in coastal areas or along yangtze river economic belt)
Chinese economy is strong because of the infrastructure and not the other way around
Btw Delhi-Patna(Guwahati)-Kolkata HSR is proposed by Indian railways it’s not my assumption

China being a $16 trillion economy can afford to construct HSR in Tibet and Xinjiang. Did China have HSR in Tibet when they were a $3 trillion economy? We're doing fine for our GDP and will build more HSR as economy grows.