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Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West's Fault

The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin

By John J. Mearsheimer

According to the prevailing wisdom in the West, the Ukraine crisis can be blamed almost entirely on Russian aggression. Russian President Vladimir Putin, the argument goes, annexed Crimea out of a long-standing desire to resuscitate the Soviet empire, and he may eventually go after the rest of Ukraine, as well as other countries in eastern Europe. In this view, the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 merely provided a pretext for Putin's decision to order Russian forces to seize part of Ukraine.

But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia's orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU's expansion eastward and the West's backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine -- beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 -- were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine's democratically elected and pro-Russian president -- which he rightly labeled a "coup" -- was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.

Putin's pushback should have come as no surprise. After all, the West had been moving into Russia's backyard and threatening its core strategic interests, a point Putin made emphatically and repeatedly. Elites in the United States and Europe have been blindsided by events only because they subscribe to a flawed view of international politics. They tend to believe that the logic of realism holds little relevance in the twenty-first century and that Europe can be kept whole and free on the basis of such liberal principles as the rule of law, economic interdependence, and democracy.

But this grand scheme went awry in Ukraine. The crisis there shows that realpolitik remains relevant -- and states that ignore it do so at their own peril. U.S. and European leaders blundered in attempting to turn Ukraine into a Western stronghold on Russia's border. Now that the consequences have been laid bare, it would be an even greater mistake to continue this misbegotten policy.
The West's triple package of policies -- NATO enlargement, EU expansion, and democracy promotion -- added fuel to a fire waiting to ignite. The spark came in November 2013, when Yanukovych rejected a major economic deal he had been negotiating with the EU and decided to accept a $15 billion Russian counteroffer instead. That decision gave rise to antigovernment demonstrations that escalated over the following three months and that by mid-February had led to the deaths of some one hundred protesters. Western emissaries hurriedly flew to Kiev to resolve the crisis. On February 21, the government and the opposition struck a deal that allowed Yanukovych to stay in power until new elections were held. But it immediately fell apart, and Yanukovych fled to Russia the next day. The new government in Kiev was pro-Western and anti-Russian to the core, and it contained four high-ranking members who could legitimately be labeled neofascists.

Although the full extent of U.S. involvement has not yet come to light, it is clear that Washington backed the coup. Nuland and Republican Senator John McCain participated in antigovernment demonstrations, and Geoffrey Pyatt, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, proclaimed after Yanukovych's toppling that it was "a day for the history books." As a leaked telephone recording revealed, Nuland had advocated regime change and wanted the Ukrainian politician Arseniy Yatsenyuk to become prime minister in the new government, which he did. No wonder Russians of all persuasions think the West played a role in Yanukovych's ouster.
In that same 1998 interview, Kennan predicted that NATO expansion would provoke a crisis, after which the proponents of expansion would "say that we always told you that is how the Russians are." As if on cue, most Western officials have portrayed Putin as the real culprit in the Ukraine predicament. In March, according to The New York Times, German Chancellor Angela Merkel implied that Putin was irrational, telling Obama that he was "in another world." Although Putin no doubt has autocratic tendencies, no evidence supports the charge that he is mentally unbalanced. On the contrary: he is a first-class strategist who should be feared and respected by anyone challenging him on foreign policy.

Other analysts allege, more plausibly, that Putin regrets the demise of the Soviet Union and is determined to reverse it by expanding Russia's borders. According to this interpretation, Putin, having taken Crimea, is now testing the waters to see if the time is right to conquer Ukraine, or at least its eastern part, and he will eventually behave aggressively toward other countries in Russia's neighborhood. For some in this camp, Putin represents a modern-day Adolf Hitler, and striking any kind of deal with him would repeat the mistake of Munich. Thus, NATO must admit Georgia and Ukraine to contain Russia before it dominates its neighbors and threatens western Europe.

This argument falls apart on close inspection. If Putin were committed to creating a greater Russia, signs of his intentions would almost certainly have arisen before February 22. But there is virtually no evidence that he was bent on taking Crimea, much less any other territory in Ukraine, before that date. Even Western leaders who supported NATO expansion were not doing so out of a fear that Russia was about to use military force. Putin's actions in Crimea took them by complete surprise and appear to have been a spontaneous reaction to Yanukovych's ouster. Right afterward, even Putin said he opposed Crimean secession, before quickly changing his mind.
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After the Ukraine Crisis, Can Russia's Relations With the West Be Salvaged?

By Nikolas Gvosdev, Nov. 5, 2014, Column

For his part, Putin will have to decide whether he is prepared to forgo once and for all the aspirations he started his presidential career with for Russia's eventual integration into Europe and an assumption of a leading role in the continent's political and security deliberations. The alternative is to concentrate on an eastward vector that sees Russia's geopolitical future in close partnership with China and India, and thus to accept a clear dividing line between Europe and Eurasia.

If the dream of a free, undivided and integrated Euro-Atlantic world stretching from Vancouver to Vladivostok, which has been the ostensible goal of U.S. policy since the end of the Cold War, is effectively over, then it is time to think about what will emerge to take its place. The challenge is now to find an acceptable form of mutually beneficial coexistence, because a return to the Cold War is neither desirable nor inevitable.
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Rhetorical Bloomberg article, but worth a read:

Putin's Jets Blast Through European Dream 25 Years After Berlin Wall Fell

By James G. Neuger November 06, 2014

Europe's post-Cold War order is fraying and there's no consensus over how to stitch it back together.

Some blame the European debt crisis for exposing the folly of the drive for economic unification. Some point to Vladimir Putin for redrawing the map by force and sending his warplanes to buzz NATO borders. For others, the vision of a peaceful, post-national Europe died off with the World War II generation.

The makers of European memory will ponder those questions this weekend, marking on Sunday the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the ensuing euro-euphoria. The lessons of the intervening quarter-century are more sobering.
Europe Fragmenting

"Europe has a number of forces that are fragmenting it right now," said Christopher Chivvis, a European security analyst at the Rand Corp. in Washington. "To a certain degree, Putin increases the fragmentation. But I think that on the whole, especially as people in Europe absorb the reality of what's happened in Ukraine, it's going to tend to create a more unified European response."

German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, who led negotiations on behalf of West Germany for the 1990 reunification, joked at Berlin panel discussion on Nov. 3: "Who knows, maybe one day President Putin will get the Charlemagne Prize for work done in the service of European unity."

For now, however, Putinism isn't without its apologists. Some architects of the new Europe have turned against their creation. The most notable is Viktor Orban, a leader of the anti-Soviet student movement in 1989 who, as prime minister of Hungary, now preaches the downfall of the liberal model he helped usher in.
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Let's look at the highlighted and underlined part above, an obvious pot-shot at Viktor Orban. Let's see the other side:

The bullying of Hungary – the country that dared to disobey the US and EU

Neil Clark, Opinion Piece, RT

25 years ago, Hungary was being toasted in the West for opening its border with Austria to East Germans, in a move which led to the fall of the Berlin Wall. Now the Western elites are not happy with Budapest which they consider far too independent.

The refusal of Prime Minister Viktor Orban and his ruling Fidesz party to join the new US and EU Cold War against Russia, which has seen the Hungarian parliament approving a law to build the South Stream gas pipeline without the approval of the European Union, in addition to the populist economic policies Fidesz has adopted against the largely foreign owned banks and energy companies, has been met with an angry response from Washington and Brussels.

Hungarian officials have been banned from entering the US, while the European Commission has demanded that the Hungarians explain their decision to go ahead with South Stream. That's on top of the European Commission launching legal action against the Hungarian government for its law restricting the rights of foreigners to buy agricultural land.

The bullying of Hungary hasn't made many headlines because it's so-called "democrats" from the West who have been doing the bullying.

Viktor Orban is not a communist, he is a nationally-minded conservative who was an anti-communist activist in the late 1980s, but the attacks on him and his government demonstrate that it doesn't matter what label you go under - if you don't do exactly what Uncle Sam and the Euro-elite tell you to do - your country will come under great pressure to conform. And all of course in the name of "freedom" and "democracy."

Fidesz has been upsetting some powerful people in the West ever since returning to power in 2010. The previous "Socialist"-led administration was hugely popular in the West because it did everything Washington and Brussels and the international banking set wanted. It imposed austerity on ordinary people, it privatized large sections of the economy, and it took out an unnecessary IMF loan. Ironically, the conservative-minded Fidesz party has proved to be much better socialists in power than the big-business and banker friendly "Socialists" they replaced.

One of the first things that Fidesz and its coalition allies, the Christian Democratic People's Party, (KDNP) did was to introduce an $855m bank tax - the highest such tax in Europe - a measure which had the financial elite foaming at the mouth.

Orban clashed with the IMF too, with his government rejecting new loan terms in 2012, and paying off early a loan taken out by the previous government, to reduce interest payments.

In 2013, Orban took on the foreign-owned energy giants with his government imposing cuts of over 20% on bills. Neoliberals expressed their outrage at such "interventionist" policies, but under Orban, the economy has improved. Although it's true that many still look back nostalgically to the days of "goulash communism" in the 1970s and 80s when there were jobs for all and food on the table for everyone. Unemployment fell to 7.4 percent in the third-quarter of this year; it was around 11 percent when Fidesz took power, while real wages rose by 2.9 percent in the year up to July.

The man his enemies called the "Viktator," has shown that he will pursue whatever economic policies he believes are in his country's national interest, regardless of the opinions of the western elite who want the Hungarian economy to be geared to their needs.

His refusal to scrap his country's bank tax is one example; the closer commercial links with Russia are another. Russia is Hungary's third biggest trading partner and ties between the two countries have strengthened in the last couple of years, to the consternation of western Russophobes. In April, a deal was struck for Moscow to loan Hungary €10 billion to help upgrade its nuclear plant at Paks.

Orban's policy of improving trade and business links with Russia, while staying a member of the EU and NATO, has however been put under increasing strain by the new hostile policy towards Moscow from Washington and Brussels.

Orban again, has annoyed the West by sticking up for Hungary's own interests. In May he faced attack when he had the temerity to speak up for the rights of the 200,000 strong Hungarian community living in Ukraine."Ukraine can neither be stable, nor democratic, if it does not give its minorities, including Hungarians, their due. That is dual citizenship, collective rights and autonomy." Hungary's Ambassador was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Kiev. Donald Tusk, Prime Minister of Poland, the US's most obedient lapdog in Eastern Europe, called Orban's comments "unfortunate and disturbing" as if it was anything to do with him or his country.

In August, Orban accurately described the sanctions policy of the West towards Russia as like "shooting oneself in the foot.""The EU should not only compensate producers somehow, be they Polish, Slovak, Hungarian or Greek, who now have to suffer losses, but the entire sanctions policy should be reconsidered," Orban said.

In October, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto also questioned the sanctions on Russia, revealing that his country is losing 50 million forints a day due to the policy.

Hungary has made its position clear, but for daring to question EU and US policy, and for its rapprochement with Moscow, the country has been punished.

It's democratically elected civilian government which enjoys high levels of public support, has ludicrously - and obscenely - been likened to military governments which have massacred their opponents. "From Hungary to Egypt, endless regulations and overt intimidation increasingly target civil society," declared US President Barack Obama in September.
Commentary: Says the guy, who bows to one of the greatest tyrants of the post-modern era. See spoiler. :rotflmao:

Last month there was another salvo fired at Hungary - it was announced that the US had banned six unnamed Hungarian government officials from entering America, citing concerns over corruption- without the US providing any proof of the corruption.

"At a certain point, the situation, if it continues this way, will deteriorate to the extent where it is impossible to work together as an ally," warned the Charge D'Affaires of the US Embassy in Budapest, Andre Goodfriend. The decision and the failure to provide any evidence, understandably caused outrage in Hungary. "The government of Hungary is somewhat baffled at the events that have unfolded because this is not the way friends deal with issues," said Janos Lazar, Orban's chief of staff.

The timing of the ban has to be noted, coming after the Hungarian government had criticized the sanctions on Russia and just before the national Parliament was due to vote on the South Stream pipeline. The pipeline, which would allow gas to be transported from Russia via the Black Sea and the Balkans to south and central Europe without passing through Ukraine, is a project which Russophobes in the West want cancelled.

"I am inclined to think that it is a punishment for the fact that we talk to Russia," said Gabor Stier, the head foreign policy editor of the leading Hungarian newspaper Magyar Nemzet.

"America thinks that we are corrupt, but we are a sovereign state, and it is our business. Many people in the United States do not like that Viktor Orban is very independent"¦..Corruption is just an excuse."

It's hard to disagree with Stier's conclusions. Of course, there is corruption in Hungary, as there is in every country, but it pales in comparison with some countries who are faithful US allies and who Washington never criticizes. The 2013 Corruption Perceptions Index compiled by Transparency International, reveals that Latvia, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria and Bosnia-Herzegovina are all below Hungary, as indeed is Italy. Yet it's Hungarian officials that the US is banning.

True to form, the attacks on Orban and his government in the Western media have chimed with the political attacks. 'Is Hungary, the EU's only dictatorship?' asked Bloomberg View in April. The BBC ran a hostile piece on Orban and Fidesz in October entitled Cracks Emerge in leading party, and which referred to "government corruption" and "the playboy lifestyle of numerous party officials."
Commentary: British Brainwashing Corporation doing what it does best.

The piece looked forward to the end of Fidesz rule.

While earlier this week, the New York Times published an OpEd by Kati Marton, whose late husband Richard Holbrooke, was a leading US diplomat, entitled Hungary's Authoritarian Descent. You'd never guess that the Hungarian government wasn't the flavor of the month in the West would you?

The question which has to be asked is: will Hungary be the next country to be the target of a US/EU sponsored regime change?

We all know what happened to the last Viktor who refused to sever links with Russia. Will Orban suffer the same fate as Ukraine's Yanukovich? There are good reasons for believing that he won't.

Fidesz did make a mistake by announcing the introduction of a new internet tax last month, which brought thousands onto the streets to protest but they have since dropped the plans and the problem for the US and EU is that Orban and his government remain too popular. In October's local elections Fidesz won 19 of Hungary's 21 larger towns and cities, including the capital city Budapest, not bad for a party that's been in power since May 2010.

Orban's brand of economic populism, combined with moderate nationalism, goes down well in a country where people remember just how awful things were when the neoliberal "Socialists" were in power. His style of leadership may be authoritarian, but Hungarians prefer having a leader who has cut fuel bills and reduced unemployment to one who mouths platitudes about "liberal democracy" but who imposed harsh austerity measures and leaves them unable to afford the daily essentials.

Moreover Hungary, is already a member of the EU and NATO unlike Ukraine under Yanukovich and isn't about to leave either soon. On a recent visit to America Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto told the US TODAY newspaper "US is our friend, US is our closest ally." The US clearly wants more from Hungary than just words, but while both Washington and Brussels would like to see a more obedient government in Budapest, the "liberal" and faux-left parties they support simply don't have enough popular support for the reasons outlined above. And things would be even worse for the West if the radical nationalist party Jobbik, the third largest party in Parliament, and which made gains in October's local elections, came to power- or if there was a genuine socialist/communist revival in the country. The fact is that Orban is in a very strong position and he knows it. That's why he feels able to face down the threats from abroad and maintain a level of independence even though total independence is impossible within the EU and NATO.

We can expect the attacks on Orban and his government to intensify but the more the West attacks, the more popular Orban, who is able to present himself as the defender of Hungary's national interests, becomes.

Hungary gave the West everything it wanted in 1989, and, as I pointed out here, its "reform" communist leadership was richly rewarded. But in 2014 it's a very different story. In the interests of democracy and small countries standing up to bullying by powerful elites, long may Hungary's spirited defiance continue.

Hajra, magyarok! Hajra Magyarorszag!
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This is what banderists say, "Suitcase, station, Moscow." Nice to know that you are now on full gear. ;)
Can you tell us how we should act? Pro-Russian sentiment have in all regions, even in Lviv. Technology you can mount an image of popular discontent and you'll believe all this delirium. The state must protect its borders. If you do not accept this state as a structure - emigrare with him. There is another way of dealing voting in elections. You certainly do not know, however, if would be able to vote in the Crimea and the occupied part of Donbass - party "Opposition bloc" and "Strong Ukraine" party was the majority in the Parliament.
 

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What data?
Give me voting pattern for different regions by age group.

Everything that Kiev does is sham. Every statement, every statistic coming out of Kiev is sham. But still give me that. We shall see what you have.
 

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Kiev is within short distance rocket range from Russia. It will be interesting to see how far Kiev will go.
It is easy to harp on military power, not easy to achieve on the ground.
 

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The most important job for Moscow is to firewall Russian economy. Every nut and bolt of the economic machine must be examined and firewalled from West.

Alternate sources for every type of machinery and raw materials must be sought outside the Western sphere.

The Chinese can be given large infrastructure projects in Russia - like development of railroads, ports, and airports.

The Chinese and Indians can develop oil and gas resources where feasible.

The protection of economy is the first and foremost job. As for Ukraine, usage of minimum force as to keep Kiev engaged in a futile war is sufficient.
 

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Give me voting pattern for different regions by age group.

Everything that Kiev does is sham. Every statement, every statistic coming out of Kiev is sham. But still give me that. We shall see what you have.
I'm not a sociologist and not have such data. Will not search.
More you don't ask me. I will not, for the sake of [edited], look up the numbers. Anyway, he still does not believe him.
 

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I'm not a sociologist and not have such data. Will not search.
More you don't ask me. I will not, for the sake of [edited], look up the numbers. Anyway, he still does not believe him.
If you don't have data to back your words, then why did you make claims like below.

Pseudo-elections November 2, voted, older people, who although will return to the Soviet Union and youth (16-20 years), which told how the USSR was good. Active age (25-40 years), did not go to vote.
Is this how Ukr media and education systems: Simply say something and no facts to back it up.
 

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If you don't have data to back your words, then why did you make claims like below.



Is this how Ukr media and education systems: Simply say something and no facts to back it up.
I have already gave the link to Donetsk forum.
Выборы ДНР: 2 ноября 2014 года - Донецк Форум. Донецкий форум.
You read it? If not, what I sense to prove to you then?
 

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Hungary under 'great pressure' from US over its energy deals with Russia

"The US is putting Hungary under great pressure fearing Moscow's rapprochement with Budapest," Hungarian media cited Prime Minister Viktor Orban saying in Munich, Germany after a meeting with Bavarian state premier Horst Seehofer.

Orban said that Hungary's relations with Russia have become "entangled in geopolitical and military and security policy issues," AFP reports. The PM said that US is retaliating for Budapest's willingness to endorse the South Stream gas pipeline development as well as a deal that would see Russia's Rosatom expand Hungary's nuclear power.
"We don't want to get close to anyone, and we don't intend to move away from anybody," Orban said. "We are not pursuing a pro-Russian policy but a pro-Hungarian policy," as expansion of the nuclear plant was the "only possible means" to lower dependence on external energy resources.
Come on, Orban. The USA will not like it, if you work for your own people's interest. Putin tried to work to restore Russia's dignity he is now the new "Hitler", France tried to go on with Mistral deal, that didn't work out. I think Orban didn't pay attention in his NATO orientation classes. :lol:

The PM remained firm that "cheap energy is key in strengthening Hungary's competitiveness" as he also defended the law which gave a green light for the construction of the South Stream pipeline that would bypass Ukraine as a transit nation in EU gas supply chain.

It "ensures Hungary gas supplies by eliminating risks posed by situation in Ukraine," Orban said. "Even if South Stream does not diversify gas sources, it diversifies delivery routes."

But Monday's move by Budapest on the gas project angered Brussels as the EU threatened to fine member states if they violate sanctions and pursue construction of South Stream Pipeline.

Orban, who on previous occasions has called Western sanctions on Russia "counterproductive" has faced fury from Washington.

The attacks on Viktor Orban and his government "demonstrate that it doesn't matter what label you go under – if you don't do exactly what Uncle Sam and the Euro-elite tell you to do - your country will come under great pressure to conform. And all of course in the name of freedom and democracy," journalist and writer Neil Clark told RT.
Source: http://rt.com/business/203415-us-hungary-pressure-russia/
 

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The news about Russia tanks and guns entering East Ukraine complicates the issue.

The Ukrainian military is also taking measures.

It will be a long haul.

The light at the end of the tunnel seems to be too far still.
 

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@Ray, the Ukrainian Nazis intend to murder all pro-Russians in Ukraine. So while some people here debate about Russian weapons, my opinion is only one - crush the Ukrainian Nazis.

This war is not about Ukraine. This is very much a NATO-Russia war though being fought by proxy.
 
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Ukraine crisis: Poroshenko orders troops to key cities


Ukrainian troops in Mariupol will be among those reinforced

Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko has ordered army reinforcements to key southern and eastern cities in case of a new rebel offensive.

Mr Poroshenko said the units were to protect Mariupol, Berdyansk, Kharkiv and the north of Luhansk region.

He spoke after meeting security chiefs in the wake of disputed polls in rebel-held areas of Donetsk and Luhansk.

He said he was still committed to the current peace process but has proposed cancelling a key plank of the plan.

The peace process was laid out in a 5 September ceasefire deal agreed in Minsk, Belarus.

Angered by the elections, Mr Poroshenko has proposed scrapping a law that gives special status to Donetsk and Luhansk.

Both regions staged swearing-in ceremonies for their pro-Russian leaders on Tuesday, following the elections there on Sunday.

Alexander Zakharchenko was inaugurated president of the Donetsk People's Republic while Igor Plotnitsky was sworn in as president of the Luhansk People's Republic.

The polls were held against the background of a conflict that has killed more than 4,000 people in eastern Ukraine since April.

Ukraine accuses Russia of arming the rebels and sending Russian regular troops across the border - a claim denied by Moscow.

Both the government and rebel sides have repeatedly violated the ceasefire.

BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Poroshenko orders troops to key cities
The plot thickens.
 

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Analysis: BBC's David Stern in Kiev



Fragile and wobbly as it may be, the ceasefire between Ukrainian government troops and Russian-backed militants has not completely broken down. And that's the most important thing at the moment.

The Minsk peace plan was Mr Poroshenko's attempt to buy himself some breathing space, and it still seems he is wedded to it. But the domestic pressure on President Poroshenko to take decisive action against the creation of a de facto independent rebel "statelet" is growing.

And fears are growing that the insurgents, with Russian assistance, may themselves soon launch a major offensive. Sending more troops to eastern Ukraine may be a desperate show of strength - an attempt to appear to be doing something amid a worsening situation. Or it could be a credible reaction to a real, Russian-backed threat.[/QUOTE]

'Serious danger'
Ukraine and its Western allies have condemned the elections in the east.

EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said on Tuesday that the polls were "illegitimate and risk putting in serious danger the path of dialogue and peace".


Alexander Zakharchenko is inaugurated president of the Donetsk People's Republic

She added: "The main risk I see now is that we close this window of opportunity for internal dialogue and for dialogue with Russia."

New Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said at the same press briefing that Russian troops "were moving closer to the border with Ukraine".

A Nato spokesman also said the reported movement of soldiers and trucks within separatist areas of eastern Ukraine was "alarming and dangerous".

'Pessimistic scenario'
At the meeting of his security chiefs, Mr Poroshenko said the Ukrainian reinforcements would be for the "construction of fortifications" against a "possible offensive in the direction of Mariupol, Berdyansk, Kharkiv and Luhansk north".

He said Ukraine remained "a supporter of the peace plan" and would adhere to its terms, which were agreed in Minsk by delegations from Ukraine, Russia, rebels and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe.


Both the government and rebel sides have repeatedly violated the ceasefire

However, he said: "This does not mean that Ukraine will not be ready for a decisive action in case of a pessimistic and negative scenario."

Addressing the nation on TV late on Monday, President Poroshenko described Sunday's "pseudo-elections" in Donetsk and Luhansk as a "farce at gunpoint" which would never be recognised as legitimate.

The polls, he said, were "a gross violation" of the Minsk agreement, which required the eastern regions to hold local elections under Ukrainian law in December.

Mr Zakharchenko said on Tuesday he was ready for peace talks "with anyone, including Petro Poroshenko".

But he said: "Ukraine has to understand that the [Donetsk People's Republic] is already another state."

Mr Zakharchenko also laid claim to the entire Donetsk region, parts of which remain under Ukrainian government control.

The separatist insurrection erupted in the east after Russia annexed Ukraine's southern Crimea peninsula, weeks after Ukraine's pro-Russian President, Viktor Yanukovych, was forced out of office by mass protests in Kiev.



BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Poroshenko orders troops to key cities
 

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@Ray, the Ukrainian Nazis intend to murder all pro-Russians in Ukraine. So while some people here debate about Russian weapons, my opinion is only one - crush the Ukrainian Nazis.

This war is not about Ukraine. This is very much a NATO-Russia war though being fought by proxy.
Not all Ukrainians are of the Nazi garb.

Indeed, it is a proxy war in what is called the 'hybrid war' format.
 
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