Turkish defense industry news updates

[tfxkaanf23]

First milgem class ship for Ukraine started sea trials on May 29th 2024.
This ship will have french anti air missiles and ASELSAN Gökdeniz ciws system

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[tfxkaanf23]

Practice target for brahmos
What capabilities this ship add really just 6 anti surface missile that too with below average capabilities. For modern combat.
The Sam systems is quite potent as it uses British camm er but that too just 12.
Why didn't the pakis go for you're sam systems..

Ours were not ready at that time. More over , the size of our vls system may not be suitable for this ship. This one is 8 meters smaller in length than our I class frigate,which houses midlas vls.
Additionally, quadpack capability is not ready yet ,expected to be ready in 1-2 years.

 

[tfxkaanf23]

It seems , Korean power pack passed all tests.
Last year ,2 Altay tank has been handed over to Turkish armed forces for tests. It seems tests concluded and serial production started with Korean power pack. From 2026-2027 onwards, serial production with Turkish power pack will start

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[Azaad]

It seems , Korean power pack passed all tests.
Last year ,2 Altay tank has been handed over to Turkish armed forces for tests. It seems tests concluded and serial production started with Korean power pack. From 2026-2027 onwards, serial production with Turkish power pack will start

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Mehmet, as per this tweet, the remaining power packs that you claim are Turkish are actually RoK power packs that you'd be assembling locally.

If that's your definition of " Turkish " power packs we've nothing to say.

 

[Samej Jangir]

It seems , Korean power pack passed all tests.
Last year ,2 Altay tank has been handed over to Turkish armed forces for tests. It seems tests concluded and serial production started with Korean power pack. From 2026-2027 onwards, serial production with Turkish power pack will start

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Basically, 85 engines will be imported and after that 165 will be made in Turkey? Will it be manufactured or assembled?

 

[tfxkaanf23]

Mehmet, as per this tweet, the remaining power packs that you claim are Turkish are actually RoK power packs that you'd be assembling locally.

If that's your definition of " Turkish " power packs we've nothing to say.

Are you not able to understand? Serial production will start with Korean ones. Our own power pack will be ready in 2026-2027. So remaining ones will be produced with domestic engines.
Our domestic engine also has been installed on Altay tank last year and tests going on.
Engine is expected to be ready in 2026-2027

 

[tfxkaanf23]

Basically, 85 engines will be imported and after that 165 will be made in Turkey? Will it be manufactured or assembled?

We will use Turkish power pack after first 85 Korean ones.

 

[gslv markIII]

Are you not able to understand? Serial production will start with Korean ones. Our own power pack will be ready in 2026-2027. So remaining ones will be produced with domestic engines.
Our domestic engine also has been installed on Altay tank last year and tests going on.
Engine is expected to be ready in 2026-2027

A country that doesnt even have a single OEM producing off highway engines developed 1500 hp engines? Give me a break.

 

[Satish Sharma]

We will use Turkish power pack after first 85 Korean ones.

Only 250 tanks are ordered no wonder they costs some 14 million each. Tbh u guys are paying too much to the Koreans for tot. & Still u can't guarantee they have u the best.
It would have been better to go with any european firm.

 

[tfxkaanf23]

Only 250 tanks are ordered no wonder they costs some 14 million each. Tbh u guys are paying too much to the Koreans for tot. & Still u can't guarantee they have u the best.
It would have been better to go with any european firm.

It is first batch. Total number will reach 1000 for Turkish army only. Beside , Qatar will order as well. They have bought 49 percent share of the BMC which has won serial production of Altay tank.

 

[tfxkaanf23]

A country that doesnt even have a single OEM producing off highway engines developed 1500 hp engines? Give me a break.

You may use butthurt cream for your pain.
It does not matter what you think.
Reality is that BMC power delivered 100 BMC power Azra engines last year for 400 HP BMC vuran armoured vehicles.
1500 HP and 1000hp engines have been ignited 3 years ago for the first time. Since than maturing process going on. Like I have said, 1500 HP Batu engine has been installed don Altay for tests as well. In 2026, serial production of Batu engine will start.






1000hp Utku engine and it's ttansmission

https://www.bmcpower.com.tr/batu-2

 

[Azaad]

Are you not able to understand? Serial production will start with Korean ones. Our own power pack will be ready in 2026-2027. So remaining ones will be produced with domestic engines.
Our domestic engine also has been installed on Altay tank last year and tests going on.
Engine is expected to be ready in 2026-2027

Calm down, Mehmet, will you? You're behaving like a child in a souk waiting impatiently for his ice cream only to have the ice cream vendor give you the cone in your hand & then take it away like Turkish ice cream vendors do with you throwing a tantrum. Grow up Mehmet will you?


I was going through my news feed & came upon this article from 2021.

Turkish armored vehicles manufacturer BMC, which is making the Altay, is negotiating strategic agreements with South Korean manufacturers Doosan and S&T Dynamics for joint work on a power pack for the tank. Under the deals, the Asian businesses would supply the know-how for an engine and transmission mechanism, which makes up the power pack that would be co-produced in Turkey.

But that’s changing.

“Co-production option did not go ahead as planned,” a company source said. “The new understanding is about off-the-shelf acquisition of Korean power pack.”

A procurement official confirmed the off-the-shelf deal but voiced concern about a potential political intervention blocking the deal. “We fear the U.S. administration may pressure South Korea to avoid any tank engine technology transfer to Turkey,” the official said.

Earlier this month, 41 members of the U.S. House of Representatives sent a letter to Secretary of State Antony Blinken opposing the sale of F-16 fighters to Turkey. The bipartisan letter noted that the U.S. placed sanctions on Turkey under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act over its acquisition of the Russian-made S-400 air defense system. Turkey was also ejected from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program and cannot purchase the advanced aircraft.

Under the new Altay deal, the South Korean companies will directly supply the power pack and assist with its integration with the tank, as well as the testing phase that follows.

The highlighted part in the first paragraph gave away the game when read with the rest of the paragraphs & the entire article.

Since Turkiye feared the US would pressurise RoK to back off from a JV, what Turkiye did was sign an agreement for outright purchase of 100 nos 1600 HP power train with RoK functioning as consultants in your BATU power train project which in dummy terms aka terms you'd easily understand means ToT by RoK in lieu of purchasing 100 nos power train much like your Altay tank for which you got the design & ToT from Hyundai based on the K-2 Black Panther Korean tank.

Altay power pack talks between Turkey, SKorea changes to off-the-shelf supply

A procurement official confirmed the off-the-shelf approach but voiced concern about a potential political intervention blocking the deal.

www.defensenews.com

After lengthy and costly studies (due to technical problems in the domestic powerpack development process, the K2 Project was delayed for more than two years), South Korea managed to develop a domestic powerpack in 9 years (2005-2014). Hyundai Rotem signed a contract for the second batch of 106 K2 tanks on December 29, 2015, but the vehicles continued to have powerplant issues due to the S&T Dynamics transmission failing durability tests. The second batch production was initially planned to be started in 2014 but has been postponed due to repeated failures of the local transmission system. In February 2018, South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) announced that a hybrid powerpack consisting of the locally developed DV27K Diesel Engine and the German product Renk HSWL 295TM Automatic Transmission will be used in the second batch of tanks. December 22, 2020, Hyundai Rotem announced that the company was awarded a US$481 million contract by the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) for the production of an additional third batch of K2 Black Panther MBTs for the Republic of Korea Army (ROKA). Although the domestically designed and produced EST15K Automatic Transmission was intended to be used with the DV27K Diesel Engine in the third, the decision was made to keep the hybrid powerpack as the homegrown transmission failed in durability tests. However, according to an article written by Kim Byung-WOOK in South Korea on December 6, 2021, it was claimed that the next batch of South Korea's K2 Black Panther MBTs are expected to run on the locally made transmission system instead of the German one. According to a high-ranking official at S&T Dynamics, the company solved the technical issues of the EST15K Transmission system, and the fourth production of the K2 tank will include the domestic transmission system.

https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/content/korean-powerpack-starts-the-test-campaign-on-the-altay-mbt-5124

Before you start ejaculating prematurely Mehmet know this that RoK took a full 9 years to develop the power pack & as the quoted paragraph will clarify that's still work half done as the transmission is yet to be proven nearly 2 decades after they've undertaken the said project of indigenizing all the sub systems & we're expected to believe that Turkiye with a much inferior industrial ecosystem with no indigenous auto industry worth the name will successfully develop a complete power train for the Altay Tank (which in itself is a copy of the Korean K-2) "indigenously " & a 5th Gen Fighter Aircraft Turbo Fan - both within 4 years.

How old did you say you were Mehmet?

 

[tfxkaanf23]

Calm down, Mehmet, will you? You're behaving like a child in a souk waiting impatiently for his ice cream only to have the ice cream vendor give you the cone in your hand & then take it away like Turkish ice cream vendors do with you throwing a tantrum. Grow up Mehmet will you?


I was going through my news feed & came upon this article from 2021.













The highlighted part in the first paragraph gave away the game when read with the rest of the paragraphs & the entire article.

Since Turkiye feared the US would pressurise RoK to back off from a JV, what Turkiye did was sign an agreement for outright purchase of 100 nos 1600 HP power train with RoK functioning as consultants in your BATU power train project which in dummy terms aka terms you'd easily understand means ToT by RoK in lieu of purchasing 100 nos power train much like your Altay tank for which you got the design & ToT from Hyundai based on the K-2 Black Panther Korean tank.

Altay power pack talks between Turkey, SKorea changes to off-the-shelf supply

A procurement official confirmed the off-the-shelf approach but voiced concern about a potential political intervention blocking the deal.

www.defensenews.com

https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/content/korean-powerpack-starts-the-test-campaign-on-the-altay-mbt-5124

Before you start ejaculating prematurely Mehmet know this that RoK took a full 9 years to develop the power pack & as the quoted paragraph will clarify that's still work half done as the transmission is yet to be proven nearly 2 decades after they've undertaken the said project of indigenizing all the sub systems & we're expected to believe that Turkiye with a much inferior industrial ecosystem with no indigenous auto industry worth the name will successfully develop a complete power train for the Altay Tank (which in itself is a copy of the Korean K-2) "indigenously " & a 5th Gen Fighter Aircraft Turbo Fan - both within 4 years.

How old did you say you were Mehmet?

Puhahaha
Why would a country give its engine technology to another one. Especially to a rival one in exports?
When Turkish engine gets ready, our tank will be major competitioner against Korean tank!!
We tried to produce Korean engine in Türkiye but Koreans did not approve it, not because of embargo!! But due the fact that they feared Türkiye will steal Korean engine technology!
That is why they did not want to give the engine off the shelf as well in the first place. Go check Korean pages related to this Korean engine, you will understand. They are not happy that they provided technological support for Altay !! But at that time, their products were not chosen by countries like now.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Puhahaha
Why would a country give its engine technology to another one. Especially to a rival one in exports?
When Turkish engine gets ready, our tank will be major competitioner against Korean tank!!
We tried to produce Korean engine in Türkiye but Koreans did not approve it, not because of embargo!! But due the fact that they feared Türkiye will steal Korean engine technology!
That is why they did not want to give the engine off the shelf as well in the first place. Go check Korean pages related to this Korean engine, you will understand. They are not happy that they provided technological support for Altay !! But at that time, their products were not chosen by countries like now.

But u will have pay royalties to Koreans. All you're tank is there's. With some expensive tot..

 

[gslv markIII]

You may use butthurt cream for your pain.
It does not matter what you think.
Reality is that BMC power delivered 100 BMC power Azra engines last year for 400 HP BMC vuran armoured vehicles.
1500 HP and 1000hp engines have been ignited 3 years ago for the first time. Since than maturing process going on. Like I have said, 1500 HP Batu engine has been installed don Altay for tests as well. In 2026, serial production of Batu engine will start.






1000hp Utku engine and it's ttansmission

https://www.bmcpower.com.tr/batu-2

We all know that your "projects" depend on consultancies & transfer of technology. Oh wait, did @Azaad already prove it?

Nothing else explains how you managed to "develop" 1500 hp engines with little or no experience.

This also explains why you're literal nobodies when in sectors where technology denial regimes are in place, example being Space launchers.

BTW I saw your 400 hp engine. We had one as back as 2012, developed by a CV OEM. It has powered numerous commercial trucks & military logistics vehicles.

This is what happens when you have an industry. You have "TOGG" selling 20,000 glorious units an year.

Why would a country give its engine technology to another one. Especially to a rival one in exports?

K2 tank, AW A129 Mangusta; examples are aplenty.

There's little market for a high power to weight ratio 1500 hp engine, The Koreans want to amortize the cost of development/ tooling somehow & royalty payments from Turkey wouldn't hurt.

 

[Azaad]

Puhahaha
Why would a country give its engine technology to another one. Especially to a rival one in exports?
When Turkish engine gets ready, our tank will be major competitioner against Korean tank!!
We tried to produce Korean engine in Türkiye but Koreans did not approve it, not because of embargo!! But due the fact that they feared Türkiye will steal Korean engine technology!
That is why they did not want to give the engine off the shelf as well in the first place. Go check Korean pages related to this Korean engine, you will understand. They are not happy that they provided technological support for Altay !! But at that time, their products were not chosen by countries like now.

So we should believe a random poster here over publications from Turkiye which clearly in unambiguous terms lays out the fact that Turkiye wanted a technical collaboration with RoK for the entire power train but it was Turkiye which backed out at the last minute fearing US meddling & sanctions.

RoK didn't mind selling those power trains to you or even developing those power trains in collaboration partly because they're bigger crooks than you . They'd take your money & give you their tiny weiners.

That's another reason I suspect the Oglus & Doglus in your presidency opted for a smokescreen & got into a technical collaboration with RoK with the latter providing you consultancy which should be interesting to watch as till date the Koreans themselves do not have a successfully proven auto transmission running , having to rely on the German auto transmission for their K-2 Panthers , the same Germans who booted you out of the Europack program after promising you the moon.

If the Koreans feared you'd copy their power pack they wouldn't have sold it to you which should tell you exactly what they think of your cut copy paste scam. They think you won't be able to successfully develop a power pack & certainly not an auto transmission system. In other words the Kims & Lees think Oglus & Doglus to be village idiots .

These are complex geo political games little Mehmet far outside your intellect or pay grade.

How old did you say you were , again ?

 

[Samej Jangir]

We will use Turkish power pack after first 85 Korean ones.

How will Turkiye suddenly develop an engine from scratch in such short time? Even Russia, India take 6+ years to develop and perfect a big engine. Turkiye has no infrastructure or major diesel engine plant even for civilian trucks. With absolutely no experience, how can any country make 1500HP engines in just 4-5 years?

As far as the deal with Korea goes, it was for coproducing or license producing which means Korea will supply the key parts like transmission, core engine parts will be imported while Turkiye can make less critical parts like casing, drive belt, connecting rods, machining etc and then assemble them in Turkiye.

Unless the powerpack is 100% made in Turkiye, it does not count as Turkish engine. If critical parts are imported, then it will always be dependent on foreign countries

 

[tfxkaanf23]

But u will have pay royalties to Koreans. All you're tank is there's. With some expensive tot..

We pay nothing to Koreans.
For Altay development, 500 million USD gas been given to Otokar company of Türkiye for development and has been given rights to get tot from Hyundai rotem. I am not sure how much Otokar paid to Korean company,but with little search it can be found.
Right now ,for engines we only pay money for engines and amount of money can be searched in Google. It was something like 200 million USD for 85-90 engines and transmissions.
For any export of Altay with Turkish power pack,no restriction no approval from any third country including Korea!

 

[tfxkaanf23]

We all know that your "projects" depend on consultancies & transfer of technology. Oh wait, did @Azaad already prove it?

Nothing else explains how you managed to "develop" 1500 hp engines with little or no experience.

This also explains why you're literal nobodies when in sectors where technology denial regimes are in place, example being Space launchers.

BTW I saw your 400 hp engine. We had one as back as 2012, developed by a CV OEM. It has powered numerous commercial trucks & military logistics vehicles.

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This is what happens when you have an industry. You have "TOGG" selling 20,000 glorious units an year.



K2 tank, AW A129 Mangusta; examples are aplenty.

There's little market for a high power to weight ratio 1500 hp engine, The Koreans want to amortize the cost of development/ tooling somehow & royalty payments from Turkey wouldn't hurt.

It hurst so much?
Altay and K2 is different , even check wheel numbers!! T-129 is also a perfect song example how a tot is done!! We have developed our avionics ,softwares etc. and we have bought proven platform and used local products in that platform.in time domestic contribution also increased . With tot, totally brand new and domestic gokbey helicopter has been designed.
Our 400hp engine will be used widely. Not just on vuran vehicles but kirpi vehicles also will use it

 

[tfxkaanf23]

How will Turkiye suddenly develop an engine from scratch in such short time? Even Russia, India take 6+ years to develop and perfect a big engine. Turkiye has no infrastructure or major diesel engine plant even for civilian trucks. With absolutely no experience, how can any country make 1500HP engines in just 4-5 years?

As far as the deal with Korea goes, it was for coproducing or license producing which means Korea will supply the key parts like transmission, core engine parts will be imported while Turkiye can make less critical parts like casing, drive belt, connecting rods, machining etc and then assemble them in Turkiye.

Unless the powerpack is 100% made in Turkiye, it does not count as Turkish engine. If critical parts are imported, then it will always be dependent on foreign countries

For Russia and India? Are you kidding??
We sell production machines to Russia for their industry!!
And for India, you have no technological base hence you fail. You import many things from Korea even now like K9 and wheeled armoured carrier!!
If you can develop in 6 years, this only means Türkiye can develop faster and this is the result. We have started tests of our engine and transmission on Altay last year. You just made first run of your engine this year ,3 years later than Türkiye