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How will Turkiye suddenly develop an engine from scratch in such short time? Even Russia, India take 6+ years to develop and perfect a big engine. Turkiye has no infrastructure or major diesel engine plant even for civilian trucks. With absolutely no experience, how can any country make 1500HP engines in just 4-5 years?

As far as the deal with Korea goes, it was for coproducing or license producing which means Korea will supply the key parts like transmission, core engine parts will be imported while Turkiye can make less critical parts like casing, drive belt, connecting rods, machining etc and then assemble them in Turkiye.

Unless the powerpack is 100% made in Turkiye, it does not count as Turkish engine. If critical parts are imported, then it will always be dependent on foreign countries
Who said Turkish engine will have parts from Korea?
Korea will provide its own engine and it's transmission for the first 85 tanks. With spares it is around 90 maybe 100 engines only.
Turkish engine and transmission is under road tests on Altay tank right now aiming to make it ready in 2026 for serial production,latest in 2027
 

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And for the ones who say that Türkiye has no previous engine production, Turkish engineers developed ford ecotorque engine and it's transmission in Türkiye 10 years ago. Since than , Ford truck uses this engine.
Moreover, we have Tümosan company which produces tractors and their engines for more than 30 years. It was tasked in 2013 to develop Altay tank engine with foreign support,however avl company has been removed by Austrian government from the project. Hence new project started and BMC has been tasked for serial production of tank and design ,develop new engine for it.
BMC with huge investment thanks to it's Qatar share ,they created BMC power and brought Turkish engineers from abroad.
 

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Who said Turkish engine will have parts from Korea?
Korea will provide its own engine and it's transmission for the first 85 tanks. With spares it is around 90 maybe 100 engines only.
Turkish engine and transmission is under road tests on Altay tank right now aiming to make it ready in 2026 for serial production,latest in 2027
Making engines hastily is a possibility but then questions will arise on its durability and reliability. Hasty engines have been made in WW2 also as there was urgent needs. But that also saw large number of tanks made by British & USSR getting brutally beaten by German tanks as Germans had perfected their tanks beforehand whereas USSR & UK were making tanks in haste just to counter Germans.

If we start making WW2 quality items, everything can be made pretty quickly. Even helicopters can be made with 1960 standards quickly. Even planes like the ones used by Iran can be made pretty quickly as one can see by Iran making spare parts of its 1970s equipments.

Obviously, the difference between WW2 and modern items is in electronics. Computer chips make much faster and accurate decisions which gives a huge advantage in speed, efficiency, resource optimisations etc and act as a 100X multiplier in strength.

The key questions are:
1. Can Turkey make reliable & durable engines so quickly?
2. Can Turkey develop electronic controls for aiming, firing tank turrets? Firing manually like 1960s can be inaccurate and slow.
3. Can Turkey develop its own night vision, electronic communications, ATGM launcher integration into turret etc?
4. Can Turkey make its own tools to machine all the items? Even if the items are made in Turkey, if the tools are imported & have import dependency for spares, that still makes little sense.
5. Where will Turkey get the chips, circuitry, software and algorithm to do all these in such short timespan?

Making 1960s weapons can be quick but the question will be about reliability in wars when the opponent will have much better weapons than in 1960s.
 

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The key questions are:
1. Can Turkey make reliable & durable engines so quickly?
2. Can Turkey develop electronic controls for aiming, firing tank turrets? Firing manually like 1960s can be inaccurate and slow.
3. Can Turkey develop its own night vision, electronic communications, ATGM launcher integration into turret etc?
4. Can Turkey make its own tools to machine all the items? Even if the items are made in Turkey, if the tools are imported & have import dependency for spares, that still makes little sense.
5. Where will Turkey get the chips, circuitry, software and algorithm to do all these in such short timespan?

Making 1960s weapons can be quick but the question will be about reliability in wars when the opponent will have much better weapons than in 1960s.
Answer to all questions,yes Türkiye ,specifically ASELSAN has all these mentioned technologies.
That is why ASELSAN can get Chilean tank modernization contract.
20 years ago ,ASELSAN applied modernization to leopard 1 tanks of Türkiye ,including volkan ta k firing control system .
Below one is newer version of volkan system

First version of volkan ,which has been applied to Leo 1 tanks.

 

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Answer to all questions,yes Türkiye ,specifically ASELSAN has all these mentioned technologies.
That is why ASELSAN can get Chilean tank modernization contract.
20 years ago ,ASELSAN applied modernization to leopard 1 tanks of Türkiye ,including volkan ta k firing control system .
Below one is newer version of volkan system

First version of volkan ,which has been applied to Leo 1 tanks.

We all know that Taiwan has semiconductor industry. But that does not mean Taiwan has semiconductor technology as all the critical parts of the foundry toolings is imported from USA.

So, merely because Turkey made some upgrades does not mean the technology is owned by Turkey. It is reasonable to say that the technology of Volkan was USA owned and Turkey merely acted as a workshop to fit it
 

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Leopard 2 modernization of ASELSAN,
Turkish army later chosen improved one of this including akkor active protection system .

 

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We all know that Taiwan has semiconductor industry. But that does not mean Taiwan has semiconductor technology as all the critical parts of the foundry toolings is imported from USA.

So, merely because Turkey made some upgrades does not mean the technology is owned by Turkey. It is reasonable to say that the technology of Volkan was USA owned and Turkey merely acted as a workshop to fit it
Believe whatever you want to believe!!
 

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For Russia and India? Are you kidding??
We sell production machines to Russia for their industry!!
And for India, you have no technological base hence you fail. You import many things from Korea even now like K9 and wheeled armoured carrier!!
If you can develop in 6 years, this only means Türkiye can develop faster and this is the result. We have started tests of our engine and transmission on Altay last year. You just made first run of your engine this year ,3 years later than Türkiye
Lol, what a load of BS. I will deal with it when I have time.
 

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Turkish repkon has completed 155 mm ammunition production line and factory. Thanks to this factory,30 percent of 155 mm production of whole usa will come from this factory.
Previously, repkon has provided production lines of 120 and 155 mm ammunitions to some other countries including Egypt.



 

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Turkish repkon has completed 155 mm ammunition production line and factory. Thanks to this factory,30 percent of 155 mm production of whole usa will come from this factory.
Previously, repkon has provided production lines of 120 and 155 mm ammunitions to some other countries including Egypt.



How many shells per month ?
 

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Mehmet, as per this tweet, the remaining power packs that you claim are Turkish are actually RoK power packs that you'd be assembling locally.

If that's your definition of " Turkish " power packs we've nothing to say.
I broke this down a few pages back. They started with MTU engines, trying to reverse engineer and uprate it with bigger turbos to get the power, didn't work. Then went to Koreans.
 

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I broke this down a few pages back. They started with MTU engines, trying to reverse engineer and uprate it with bigger turbos to get the power, didn't work. Then went to Koreans.
Did not work?
It even started tests on Altay tank! And our engine is less heavier than Korean engine.
It took many years to go to Koreans since ,first we waited German release of engines. Then, we tried many alternatives but they were not fitting on Altay since Altay has been designed according to MTU engine. After agreement with Koreans, BMC company has worked for 2 years to fit Korean engine on Altay ,many components gets localized etc. last year ,2 prototype have been given to Turkish armed forces for tests. Now tests complete,hence serial production started. New factory also being set up in Ankara for serial production. Normally, production is being done in Sakarya city but they are building bigger factory to meet delivery times.
 

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Did not work?
It even started tests on Altay tank! And our engine is less heavier than Korean engine.
It took many years to go to Koreans since ,first we waited German release of engines. Then, we tried many alternatives but they were not fitting on Altay since Altay has been designed according to MTU engine. After agreement with Koreans, BMC company has worked for 2 years to fit Korean engine on Altay ,many components gets localized etc. last year ,2 prototype have been given to Turkish armed forces for tests. Now tests complete,hence serial production started. New factory also being set up in Ankara for serial production. Normally, production is being done in Sakarya city but they are building bigger factory to meet delivery times.
Cool. Something I find funny however, is the Altay is a gimped K-2 to begin with. Yet it didn't have adequate bay space for the original DV27K engine. Despite the K-2 itself being readily capable of swapping in the MTU 883 Ka-501 power-pack.
 

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Cool. Something I find funny however, is the Altay is a gimped K-2 to begin with. Yet it didn't have adequate bay space for the original DV27K engine. Despite the K-2 itself being readily capable of swapping in the MTU 883 Ka-501 power-pack.
Altay has been designed according to MTU engine. Korean one ,however designed according to considering Korean engine .hence they had bigger engine space for power pack ,which is also suitable for MTU engine!

2 Altay tank deliveries to Turkish army for tests last year


 
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