Pakistan acquiring Turkish 5th generation fighter

[WolfPack86]

PAKISTAN has reportedly expressed interest in acquiring the TAI Kaan, Turkey's first 5th generation fighter, from Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) once it completes its developmental trials around 2030,

 

[Tshering22]

PAKISTAN has reportedly expressed interest in acquiring the TAI Kaan, Turkey's first 5th generation fighter, from Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) once it completes its developmental trials around 2030,

Assuming that Pakistan remains an entity by that time. Looking at their economic and social trajectory, it seems very unlikely.

 

[ym888]

interesting



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[Freedom Thru Firepower]

Good let them spend each & every penny on arms.

 

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Assuming that Pakistan remains an entity by that time. Looking at their economic and social trajectory, it seems very unlikely.

They will be an entity, as long as our wealth, power and stature grows, that is the entire purpose of piggyland from a Western and now Chinese geopolitical perspective.
To be a thorn in our side

However it remains to be seen whether this Mehmet Osman phipht jen jet will ever materialize, and whether the Pakis will be able to buy it since Turks aren't wealthy like the Chinese to give out alms of that level.

I mean we got scammed with the Su-57 that still hasn't entered serial production lol.

 

[Tshering22]

They will be an entity, as long as our wealth, power and stature grow, that is the entire purpose of piggyland from a Western and now Chinese geopolitical perspective.
To be a thorn in our side

However, it remains to be seen whether this Mehmet Osman phipht jen jet will ever materialize and whether the Pakis will be able to buy it since Turks aren't wealthy like the Chinese to give out alms of that level.

I mean we got scammed with the Su-57 that still hasn't entered serial production lol.

Kaan will happen and it is only a matter of time. Why? Because of the Turkish militarized society. They have always been a militaristic people (as were Indians at one point in time) and defence and expansion have been ingrained in the Turkic-Islamic mindset. Even if they are not practicing Muslims, they will still expand regardless and to do that, they need weapons.

Turkey has made rapid progress in their military-industrial complex compared to us using a mix of the following strategies:

1. Using NATO as a technology provider
2. Cultivating ties with individual European powers
3. Targeting secondary or tertiary technology powerhouses like Korea and Japan
4. Giving unhindered tech privileges to a few arms companies

India was best placed to use #2 and #3 points above, with dozens of countries. Working with Brazil and pre-war Ukraine to get strategic design capabilities for large transport aircraft; Working with Japan to secure technology access and knowledge in carbon composites and smart materials; working with Korea in composite armouring and optronic tech access; Working with Sweden to improve European technology access.

These were all doable, and yet, we are so slow that we have barely anything moving on the technology replication and innovation side. After so many efforts, only France and Israel are our partners, that too on just a handful of things.

Today, we have the capability to manufacture much more strategic arms but tactical ones that can cause short- and medium-term mayhem are still nowhere in sight.

Can you imagine what a BSF equipped with armed Tapas drones could do on our border? Or a CRPF armed with ALS-50 loitering munitions against Maoists/Islamic terrorists?

Yet, the vision to use military power against enemies of the state and people is lagging, apart from a willingness to militarize the social Indian mindset.

Turkey has the mindset part sorted out, which is 50% of the battle won.
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Whether they give it as an aid to Pakistan or not, it does not matter since there will be other options that the Turkish industry will churn out. Call it whatever, but we are slow in our pace and others are gaining leverage over us. Turkey along with Azerbaijan has destabilized their rival AKA Armenia to a large extent, which is aided by an incompetent Pashinyan government.

Turks have already been arming terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir against us through Pakistan. Turkish drones can easily be used by Islamic terror groups in Pakistan, given the symbiotic relationship between ISI and Islamic terrorists. It is quite easy to initiate a Hamas-style targeted attack against us. Such an attack would provoke us to launch a full-scale war against Pakistan, but the damage would likely be done.

My point is simple: they don't need to arm Pakistan with 5th-gen jets to harm us; just enough firepower to cause mayhem to our territory.

Unless we are willing to go to the extent of finishing off any meaningful existence of Pakistan as a country, someone will always be there to aid their existence. US, Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi/Qatar, or a combination of any of these.

 

[shade]

Kaan will happen and it is only a matter of time. Why? Because of the Turkish militarized society. They have always been a militaristic people (as were Indians at one point in time) and defence and expansion have been ingrained in the Turkic-Islamic mindset. Even if they are not practicing Muslims, they will still expand regardless and to do that, they need weapons.

Turkey has made rapid progress in their military-industrial complex compared to us using a mix of the following strategies:

1. Using NATO as a technology provider
2. Cultivating ties with individual European powers
3. Targeting secondary or tertiary technology powerhouses like Korea and Japan
4. Giving unhindered tech privileges to a few arms companies

India was best placed to use #2 and #3 points above, with dozens of countries. Working with Brazil and pre-war Ukraine to get strategic design capabilities for large transport aircraft; Working with Japan to secure technology access and knowledge in carbon composites and smart materials; working with Korea in composite armouring and optronic tech access; Working with Sweden to improve European technology access.

These were all doable, and yet, we are so slow that we have barely anything moving on the technology replication and innovation side. After so many efforts, only France and Israel are our partners, that too on just a handful of things.

Today, we have the capability to manufacture much more strategic arms but tactical ones that can cause short- and medium-term mayhem are still nowhere in sight.

Can you imagine what a BSF equipped with armed Tapas drones could do on our border? Or a CRPF armed with ALS-50 loitering munitions against Maoists/Islamic terrorists?

Yet, the vision to use military power against enemies of the state and people is lagging, apart from a willingness to militarize the social Indian mindset.

Turkey has the mindset part sorted out, which is 50% of the battle won.
________________________________________________________________________________________

Whether they give it as an aid to Pakistan or not, it does not matter since there will be other options that the Turkish industry will churn out. Call it whatever, but we are slow in our pace and others are gaining leverage over us. Turkey along with Azerbaijan has destabilized their rival AKA Armenia to a large extent, which is aided by an incompetent Pashinyan government.

Turks have already been arming terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir against us through Pakistan. Turkish drones can easily be used by Islamic terror groups in Pakistan, given the symbiotic relationship between ISI and Islamic terrorists. It is quite easy to initiate a Hamas-style targeted attack against us. Such an attack would provoke us to launch a full-scale war against Pakistan, but the damage would likely be done.

My point is simple: they don't need to arm Pakistan with 5th-gen jets to harm us; just enough firepower to cause mayhem to our territory.

Unless we are willing to go to the extent of finishing off any meaningful existence of Pakistan as a country, someone will always be there to aid their existence. US, Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi/Qatar, or a combination of any of these.

Agree with your last para.
We made them, it is only up to us to end them.

I still don't believe they'll complete the stealth jet, Russkie failed, these guys will also since that needs $$$, they don't have that much and Westie doesn't find ErdoTrukey bestie anymore.