Surgical strikes inside Pak. Possibility?

[Navneet Kundu]

"airstrike can't end paki terror infrastructure"

@Bornubus I was saying the same thing yesterday but you seemed to be offended that we aren't doing airstrikes.

I think we need more comprehensive questions to arrive a the right conclusions, instead of looking at it as a regional problem. There's global geostrategic interests at play, so it's best to keep the discussion as broad as possible. 'How to solve the Pakistan problem' seems about right, because the 'Pakistan problem' is more than just about so-called fringe terrorists, it's about Pakistan's mainstream state policy against India and the international community's deliberate support to Pakistan to keep India off balance. All of these need to be considered.

There's news today that the 8 latest versions of F16s that Obama was going to sell Pakistan was stalled by US congress. Many of these elected congress members happen to have financial ties with Indian businesses and serve as a pro-India lobby within the US democratic setup. This is the kind of comprehensive deterrence that we need. If their president plans to make an anti-India move, we must have enough congressmen in our pockets to stall it. Israel does that fantastically. Otherwise we could make threads upon threads about possible Indian strikes inside Pakistan while USA continues to give more and more weapons. It will be of no use. We need to stem the rot where it comes from by 'grabbing the enemy by the belt'. Intermingle American interests with Indian interests, this will change their attitude towards Pakistan.

 

[Bornubus]

"airstrike can't end paki terror infrastructure"

@Bornubus I was saying the same thing yesterday but you seemed to be offended that we aren't doing airstrikes.

I think we need more comprehensive questions to arrive a the right conclusions, instead of looking at it as a regional problem. There's global geostrategic interests at play, so it's best to keep the discussion as broad as possible. 'How to solve the Pakistan problem' seems about right, because the 'Pakistan problem' is more than just about so-called fringe terrorists, it's about Pakistan's mainstream state policy against India and the international community's deliberate support to Pakistan to keep India off balance. All of these need to be considered.

There's news today that the 8 latest versions of F16s that Obama was going to sell Pakistan was stalled by US congress. Many of these elected congress members happen to have financial ties with Indian businesses and serve as a pro-India lobby within the US democratic setup. This is the kind of comprehensive deterrence that we need. If their president plans to make an anti-India move, we must have enough congressmen in our pockets to stall it. Israel does that fantastically. Otherwise we could make threads upon threads about possible Indian strikes inside Pakistan while USA continues to give more and more weapons. It will be of no use. We need to stem the rot where it comes from by 'grabbing the enemy by the belt'. Intermingle American interests with Indian interests, this will change their attitude towards Pakistan.

No buddy,i wasn't offended, all i am saying that sometimes overt action is necessary along with covert proxy wars,i am taking 100 times lesser country Israel as example.

 

[Bornubus]

Statement is out guys , but why to make such statement and alert them? Or may be this is semi overt operation? You tell them like a man, we will hit you, but when where how, don't tell them.

India will respond to attacks at a place and time of its choice: Parrikar
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ice-parrikar/article8092255.ece?homepage=true

Adding further belligerence to the Government’s stand in the wake of the Pathankot terror attack, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Monday said India would respond to attacks on the country at a time and place of its choosing.

Mr. Parrikar said, “I always believe that anyone who harms you, he understand the same language. How, where and the place should be of your choice.” He was speaking on Monday at a seminar on indigenisation organised by the Centre for Land Warfare Studies.

“If someone is attacking the country, an individual or organisation should also feel the pain of such activity. Until the pain can be transferred they will not understand,” he said.

The attack by six terrorists on Pathankot Air Force station on January 2 has cast a shadow on the peace initiative by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and put a question mark on the Foreign Secretary level talks scheduled for Friday.

India has linked the talks to action by Pakistan on those responsible for which evidence has already been provided.


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I believe him also pakis took his Kanta remarks more seriously than Muddy.

 

[Navneet Kundu]

No buddy,i wasn't offended, all i am saying that sometimes overt action is necessary along with covert proxy wars,i am taking 100 times lesser country Israel as example.

Israel's small population and small geography is often cited as an impediment and therefore any Israeli action is seen as overcoming an impediment, it's really the opposite. The fact that they have a largely homogeneous population is an asset to them. Israel doesn't take strong actions 'despite' being small, it takes strong action because it is small, meaning, it doesn't have millions of jihadi snakes living under the veil of being Israeli citizens, a problem that India clearly faces. 170 million snakes is not a small snake population, sir. We could make our own snake sanctuary with it.

Israel has a population of 8.3 million and a GDP of 330 Billion. We have a population of 1.3 Billion and a GDP of 2 Trillion. Even Brazil has the same GDP ~2.1 Trillion with just 1/4 the population of India (~210 million).

I think it is unfair to India to claim that India can't do a lot despite being a big country. The truth is that India can't do a lot because we are a bloated nation carrying a lot of baggage, some of it is ideological, some financial, some tactical. Israel doesn't have that baggage. It's like a light weight sprinter who is running a marathon where as we have gangrene in our legs, just hoping to make it through our morning jogging.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Indian leaders who matter realize well the consequences. Pakistan will retaliate with all she has. And if war continues, China and most of India's neighbors could be drawn in - arrayed against India.

If war happens Pakistan will suffer most !

India will recover quickly and can keep its reforms on track, Pakistan will suffer the war effects for a long time.

Any way Pakistan is not a normal state it is a jihadi hub.

 

[Mikesingh]

Option A

India's military sat, CARTOSAT 2A is a robust satellite that offers area specific spot imagery for cartography and the armed forces. It carries a panchromatic camera with spatial resolution better than 1 meter and covers a swath of 9.6 km. Cartosat-2B, has spatial resolution of 2 meters and covers a swath of 30 km. per camera.

On receipt of intel inputs about date, time and place of meeting of all honchos of terror organizations in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (Which is pretty often), CARTOSAT cameras are positioned to provide imagery for pinpointing the exact location of the meeting within 1m resolution and providing an 8 figure grid reference. A BVR missile like the Brahmos is fired from well within own territory to target the terror honchos meeting destroying the entire leadership.

How would the the Pakistanis react? Just a lot of hot air about raping their sovereignty etc etc by Indians!! They will never retaliate! Period.

But then our political establishment needs to have the balls for this option!

Option B

Undertake covert operations by helping arm and fund anti Pak terror organizations like the TTP, BLA etc to create mayhem in Pakistan. After all, two can play the game, right?

Option B is long term and has inbuilt deniability of Indian involvement and probably the way to go, while option A is immediate and may create some ripples in the international arena.

However both options can also be considered simultaneously.

Spec ops in Pak territory is fraught with consequences unless conducted very near the LoC/IB. Not a viable option as it would be a one off op. What Pakis need is continuous bleeding from a thousand gashes. So let our proxy anti Pak terrorists do the job for us just like what Pakistan's deep state is doing to us by its proxies like the LeT, JeM etc.

 

[Adux]

Doesn't matter,You were loling if India could airstrike across loc or Int border and even a kid could agree that airstrike can't end paki terror infrastructure,learn from Israel.

It was successfully done in 2003~ when IAF targeted Paki Military posts,their regional commander published the pics and their casualties to the media.

One incident in 2003, Have you seen the amount of terrorism and damage done by Pakistan done in India,

India has behaved like effin submissive woman who loves violence put up on her.

You can stop your stupidity, if you dont understand our serious short comiings which is the reason we havent made Pakistan pay. That is the issue ... our governments all of them till now has not done anything to improve our strategic posture. Whatever done, is too slow.

Whatever happened to the marital caste... effin idiots.

 

[Screambowl]

One incident in 2003, Have seen the amount of terrorism and damage done by Pakistan done in India,

India has behaved like effin submissive woman who loves violence put up on her.

You can stop your stupidity, if you dont understand our serious short comiings which is the reason we havent made Pakistan pay. That is the issue ... our governments all of them till now has not done anything to improve our strategic posture. Whatever done, is too slow.

Whatever happened to the marital caste... effin idiots.

buddy India's agencies fu*k them daily by hovering their satellite over their space .. why people forget this? India has better interception technology than them. Better cyber warfare capabilities than them and our agencies breach their arse daily.
If India wants , it can crash all their systems and stock exchange through offensive cyber attack.

 

[Bornubus]

One incident in 2003, Have seen the amount of terrorism and damage done by Pakistan done in India,

India has behaved like effin submissive woman who loves violence put up on her.

You can stop your stupidity, if you dont understand our serious short comiings which is the reason we havent made Pakistan pay. That is the issue ... our governments all of them till now has not done anything to improve our strategic posture. Whatever done, is too slow.

Whatever happened to the marital caste... effin idiots.

What a clown,there is a cease fire agreement since 2003,you said it's a joke to airstrike,i gave you an example and came up with same Gay excuse and and irrelevant off topic martial race BS.

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

buddy India's agencies fu*k them daily by hovering their satellite over their space .. why people forget this? India has better interception technology than them. Better cyber warfare capabilities than them and our agencies breach their arse daily.
If India wants , it can crash all their systems and stock exchange through offensive cyber attack.

and even after having all this, the laakh takey ka sawaal remains - "if India wants...."; why doesn't it want already?!

as someone rightly wrote earlier, too much baggage of all kinds on us - wilful cooliegiri, submissively to various entities.

 

[Tony HMG]

Outsourcing attacks to tajik, Uzbek, baluchi forces would work well. Give out contracts to mercenary killers to take out hafeez saeed, salauddin, etc. Atleast start something brazen to destabilise porkstan. I don't think BJP or kangress have any guts at all to screw porkstan.

 

[Screambowl]

and even after having all this, the laakh takey ka sawaal remains - "if India wants...."; why doesn't it want already?!

as someone rightly wrote earlier, too much baggage of all kinds on us - wilful cooliegiri, submissively to various entities.

A lot of actions require permission but how come our intelligence gave input on this Pathankot attack in advance? That means they are doing it.

 

[Black knight]

Option A

India's military sat, CARTOSAT 2A is a robust satellite that offers area specific spot imagery for cartography and the armed forces. It carries a panchromatic camera with spatial resolution better than 1 meter and covers a swath of 9.6 km. Cartosat-2B, has spatial resolution of 2 meters and covers a swath of 30 km. per camera.

On receipt of intel inputs about date, time and place of meeting of all honchos of terror organizations in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (Which is pretty often), CARTOSAT cameras are positioned to provide imagery for pinpointing the exact location of the meeting within 1m resolution and providing an 8 figure grid reference. A BVR missile like the Brahmos is fired from well within own territory to target the terror honchos meeting destroying the entire leadership.

How would the the Pakistanis react? Just a lot of hot air about raping their sovereignty etc etc by Indians!! They will never retaliate! Period.

But then our political establishment needs to have the balls for this option!

Option B

Undertake covert operations by helping arm and fund anti Pak terror organizations like the TTP, BLA etc to create mayhem in Pakistan. After all, two can play the game, right?

Option B is long term and has inbuilt deniability of Indian involvement and probably the way to go, while option A is immediate and may create some ripples in the international arena.

However both options can also be considered simultaneously.

Spec ops in Pak territory is fraught with consequences unless conducted very near the LoC/IB. Not a viable option as it would be a one off op. What Pakis need is continuous bleeding from a thousand gashes. So let our proxy anti Pak terrorists do the job for us just like what Pakistan's deep state is doing to us by its proxies like the LeT, JeM etc.

I would say option A is good but we need spec ops guys on ground for damage assesment and moreover due to some religious and power hungry assholes we should not kill them by aiding Anti pak forces who in return will kill innocent pakistanis what my point was person may be indian or pakistani we should nt harm them unless until due 2 crisis

 

[Adux]

What a clown,there is a cease fire agreement since 2003,you said it's a joke to airstrike,i gave you an example and came up with same Gay excuse and and irrelevant off topic martial race BS.

OOO, There is a cease fire agreement, So Mumbai Blasts, or attacks, or Gurudaspur..or whatever else, when it happened.. There is a cease fire agreement.
What is the gay excuse, if anything you are one clown trying to prove you are some powerful entity on the interent, and cant even back it up. You should ashamed yourself,
25 years plus, all terror infrastructure, all leaders alive in well in Pakistan, and regular attacks in India, which just proves how incompetent, cowardly all organizations in India are, to make decisive actions against terror, and you are supporting such disgusting decisions

 

[Adux]

buddy India's agencies fu*k them daily by hovering their satellite over their space .. why people forget this? India has better interception technology than them. Better cyber warfare capabilities than them and our agencies breach their arse daily.
If India wants , it can crash all their systems and stock exchange through offensive cyber attack.

And yet nothing happens, their economic indicators are the same as before, if anuthing better after musharraf. These are people who just talk gung ho stuff in India, and on internet, while getting punched on a daily basis.

 

[Bornubus]

OOO, There is a cease fire agreement, So Mumbai Blasts, or attacks, or Gurudaspur..or whatever else, when it happened.. There is a cease fire agreement.
What is the gay excuse, if anything you are one clown trying to prove you are some powerful entity on the interent, and cant even back it up. You should ashamed yourself,
25 years plus, all terror infrastructure, all leaders alive in well in Pakistan, and regular attacks in India, which just proves how incompetent, cowardly all organizations in India are, to make decisive actions against terror, and you are supporting such disgusting decisions

That was the thread all about,when we have the means and might to target Pakistan,the intent is not to end the terror infrastructure but to send a message to pak and the world.

If you pull your head out of ur behind and read all my posts on previous,you will understand.

 

[spikey360]

Bharatvarsh should start putting price on heads so that mercenaries can join in the fun.

Not only put a price on Hafeez Saeed, Lakhvi, Dawud. But also
- President of Pakistan
- Prime Minister of Pakistan
- Army Chief of Pakistan
- ISI Chief
- CJ of Pakistan
- Foreign minister of Pakistan
- (add more names)

 

[spikey360]

Outsourcing attacks to tajik, Uzbek, baluchi forces would work well. Give out contracts to mercenary killers to take out hafeez saeed, salauddin, etc. Atleast start something brazen to destabilise porkstan. I don't think BJP or kangress have any guts at all to screw porkstan.

BJP has, but it seems Modi does not. BJP took on the world during Pokhran.
The PMs of BJP seem always to be the weak link

Also, I wouldn't go to the extent of calling Kangress gutless. They did fight 3 wars with Pakistan and won. The Gandhis filth is a different matter.

 

[Bornubus]

Bharatvarsh should start putting price on heads so that mercenaries can join in the fun.

Not only put a price on Hafeez Saeed, Lakhvi, Dawud. But also
- President of Pakistan
- Prime Minister of Pakistan
- Army Chief of Pakistan
- ISI Chief
- CJ of Pakistan
- Foreign minister of Pakistan
- (add more names)

Civilians
Paki celebs
Foreign tourists visiting pak


(our german tourist were beheaded by Paki's in 1992 in Kashmir, we have lost billions in term of tourism due to Paki terrorists)

 

[Navneet Kundu]

tourist were beheaded by Paki's

On a related note, someone *ahem ahem* attacked tourists in Gilgit Baltistan too. I don't know who did it but, someone did it. Someone.

On June 22, 2013, about 16 militants, reportedly dressed in Gilgit Scouts uniforms, stormed a high-altitude mountaineering base camp in Gilgit–Baltistan, Pakistan, and killed 10 climbers and a local guide. The climbers were from various countries, including Ukraine, China, Slovakia, Lithuania and Nepal. A Chinese citizen managed to escape the assailants, and a member of the group from Latvia happened to be outside the camp during the attack. The attack happened at the base camp on Nanga Parbat, the ninth highest mountain in the world. The mountain is popular among trekkers and mountaineers from June to August because of the moderate weather conditions.

Link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Nanga_Parbat_massacre