Surgical strikes inside Pak. Possibility?

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

@Sakal Gharelu Ustad @Kunal Biswas
Surgical strikes done; so let's remove the possibility word from the title.

The thread is from before. It is more analytical with the question in background. And does not reflect the current state.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Thread is about feasibility and other technical aspects of surgical strike and not for discussing everyday politics.

Future posts not on topic will be deleted.

 

[captonjohn]

After surgical strike, situation has changed. Pakistan has increased its troops movement and military buildup along LOC. Where four soldiers were protecting 100 terrorists, now 50 are protecting 100 terrorists. Things didn't change unless you force them to change.

Pakistan's tactical nukes can be used only on few conditions as per their doctrine. What if we don't let them scale up the war to at that extent?

I mean if war is necessary then let fight that war in POK. Of course, it would be difficult and very tough war but if India takes POK by military campaign and hold it no matter how hard Pakistani tries then conflict would not scale up to a level as India didn't crossed international border. India crossed LOC and claimed its area by dis mantle terror camps and taking back what was ours long time back.

In short what if India attack on POK and take complete control. It would be war of course but, it wouldn't scale the scope of war as Pakistan won't be able to use its nukes. War will last long but sustainable. Something similar like China did to Tibet.

 

[praneet.bajpaie]

Can we have a comprehensive (in one thread) thread of all the international support or lack thereof of the strikes?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

No surgical strike can isolate Pakistan, says high commissioner Abdul Basit
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times, Lucknow|Updated: Nov 15, 2016 01:05 IST

Pakistani ambassador Abdul Basit leaves the ministry of external affairs in New Delhi.(Ravi Choudhary/HT File Photo)

Pakistan high commissioner Abdul Basit said on Monday no surgical strike in Pakistan could isolate the nation.

“Dialogue process must continue between India and Pakistan to find a solution to all the problems. Peace process cannot move ahead without solving Kashmir issue,” said Basit while replying to a query from the audience during an interactive session.

Replying to a query on surgical strike in PoK by the Indian Army on September 29, Basit categorically denied any such operation.

“Had there been a surgical strike by the Indian Army, Pakistan would have replied till now,” said Basit.

“Nobody can isolate Pakistan. The country is competent enough to safeguard its interest in the international community,” he said.

On charges of cross-border terrorism and Pakistan fomenting trouble in the Kashmir Valley, Basit said there was a similar perception about India in his country too.

“Pakistan is the worst sufferer of terrorism. We are victims of terrorism like no other country. There is a perception in Pakistan that India is behind all this. In Pakistan, we have a narrative that India wants to destabilise our country,” claimed Basit.

He said people in Pakistan were mature enough and no longer fell prey to anti-India rhetoric. “Political parties in Pakistan do not get votes on anti-India remarks,” said Basit.

He, however, insisted that confidence-building measures should continue to ensure dialogue process between the two countries.

Basit also claimed that underworld don Dawood Ibrahim was not in Pakistan.

The Pakistan high commissioner was in Lucknow to attend an event organised by a web news portal.

So, finally they admitted it. It's a good start indeed. After fooling their public in Kargil, they revealed those secrets. This issue will also come out later.
I just tend to highlight few points:

1. Dialogue process must continue between India and Pakistan to find a solution to all the problems. Peace process cannot move ahead without solving Kashmir issue

   Any single process can't move ahead till you shove up Kashmir everywhere. You can't move ahead without this issue, your problem, not ours.

2. Had there been a surgical strike by the Indian Army, Pakistan would have replied till now

   If Pakistan really had the dare and capability to retaliate to any Indian Military adventure, it must have called even a fake operation as real as an excuse take on India. But they didn't. Reason is simple, Pak doesn't have capability to reply.

3. Nobody can isolate Pakistan. The country is competent enough to safeguard its interest in the international community

   Word competent for Pakistani Diplomacy is exaggeration.
   

4. On charges of cross-border terrorism and Pakistan fomenting trouble in the Kashmir Valley, Basit said there was a similar perception about India in his country too.

   Simply created in retaliation because it's recent. Otherwise, till now your countrymen used to their chests calling them freedom fighters. More pity thing is that they have started copying our every dialogue, saying India is an ideological artificial state. •Here's something interesting. •http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2016/09/25/features/media-watch-so-you-think-youre-a-tough-guy/ •http://www.dawn.com/news/1295770/the-establishments-dilemma [Must Read] •http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...rorist-drone-attacks.396/page-53#post-1221155

5. He said people in Pakistan were mature enough and no longer fell prey to anti-India rhetoric. “Political parties in Pakistan do not get votes on anti-India remarks"

   Chor ki dadhi main tinka. Though, supporting with a link. •http://www.dawn.com/news/1294503/one-two-three

 

[patriots]

Why we used our commandoes in surgical strike

a question arising in me why we used our commandoes in surgical strike .....we risked their life ...when we have other options......


before proceed I request u all to please give a look at following option s


1. attack helicopter

we have rudra .with rockets of range 7 km ,can wipe out terrorist bases ,which are barely 3..4 km far from loc ,we can wipe them without crossing the loc.



Rocket
pinaka can do the job ,then we all know terrorist camps are far away of civilians so no collateral damage

artillery

artillery can do the job


I know u will argue these are illegal ,can create war situation.... kya surgical strike ke ..baad war scenario nehi tha

how america killed laden ....that s too illegal



our senior members experts ...please join and shed some light ....

@tsunami @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @soikot banerjee @Indx TechStyle @Screambowl @smestarz @Kunal Biswas @NeXoft007 @square

@Razor @aditya10r @Bahamut @Bornubus

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

According to the book on surgical strike these options were considered but PMO rejected it saying that the message wont be as tough as they would want it be.

Hence,it was decided to put feets on the ground and violate them!

In Hindi...Keh key lengey!!

 

[Compersion]

Prior to Bhutto being assassinated the fear of some was that Paki Army would get brandished to be of wrongful intent and made to show its true colors and the people in the areas of current Pakistan would go against the same. Right after Bhutto was assassinated a lot of effort (including) Indian was placed into making a strong civilian administration in Pakistan because of the handycap of the Paki Army image at the time where the Paki Army held onto a (thinnest of thin) thread of hope that a civilian administration will come round and they would "stay alive". Being the average of worst with others being worst possibly and the best of the worst scheme of things. The OBL raid added to such among many other. The Drones. The Court Cases that favor the military always. The economy being military connected. Musharraf running away from Court being the talk of dinner tables in all the capitals of the world.

The surgical strike on Pakis would be when the Paki Army is confirmed and fully viewed in the eyes of Pakis they are not capable and also doing things that are against their interests. Its happening already and Paki Army by not staging coup and also not taking over after Bhutto assassinated shows the fear of survival.

The above surgical strikes by India adds to the collective of the same process. The Paki Army is going in for a tough ride from all directions with many "surgical strikes". Not only India but everyone is game the Paki Army is hanging on and looking around for a savior.

And the fascinating thing is the PRC is going to walk into such surgical strikes. Do they run do they take a hit and perish inside and make the pakis look even worse.

 

[Screambowl]

Helis can be seen on radars we dont have stealth helis
arti or pinaka cannot pin pointedly strike, it's mountainous region and it's BVR strike/indirect shelling
You can't use airforce as this will escalate

Best was drone , but you don't have any UCAV, and soldiers crossing LC gives a message

 

[Illusive]

Check out the surgical strike games on android, Indian trolling pakis at its best

 

[binayak95]

Why we used our commandoes in surgical strike

a question arising in me why we used our commandoes in surgical strike .....we risked their life ...when we have other options......


before proceed I request u all to please give a look at following option s


1. attack helicopter

we have rudra .with rockets of range 7 km ,can wipe out terrorist bases ,which are barely 3..4 km far from loc ,we can wipe them without crossing the loc.



Rocket
pinaka can do the job ,then we all know terrorist camps are far away of civilians so no collateral damage

artillery

artillery can do the job


I know u will argue these are illegal ,can create war situation.... kya surgical strike ke ..baad war scenario nehi tha

how america killed laden ....that s too illegal



our senior members experts ...please join and shed some light ....

@tsunami @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @soikot banerjee @Indx TechStyle @Screambowl @smestarz @Kunal Biswas @NeXoft007 @square

@Razor @aditya10r @Bahamut @Bornubus

The book does mention that PMO considered several options.

A fire strike by artillery and Pinaka MLRS would be certainly as effective as the SF were (if not more) that amount of fire power, especially when directed by satellite imagery, would have devastated the terror camps and caused mass casualty - but - moving arty and MLRS into range has a big footprint. It'd be a dead giveaway. Shiv Aroor's book gives great details on how they ensured operational security and secrecy. Gen Hooda's own udhampur command had very few officers who knew of this.

Air strikes using Rudra and Su-30MKI/Mirage 2000 - same problem. Pakistan will know when we increase op sorties - there will have to be sorties for practice runs.

The only true alternative would have been combat drones - but we don't have them -yet!

Besides, sending in SF is like thumbing your nose at Pak Army... we will enter your territroy, stay there overnight and kill your pets and exit Royale Style ... kya ukhaad loge!!

Same thing used to be done by our MiG25Rs back in the day. They'd go supersonic deliberately over Islamabad and Rawalpindi. The Pakis had jackshit! They simply had nothing to touch the MiG25s at their operational ceiling. Shame they were retired!