Surgical strikes inside Pak. Possibility?

Should India carry out surgical strikes in Pak after next big terrorist attack


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(our german tourist were beheaded by Paki's in 1992 in Kashmir, we have lost billions in term of tourism due to Paki terrorists)
Of course.
I suspect the terrorist attack on Sri Lanka Cricket team was a RAW operation. No one got caught, nothing was concluded, That is a pure hallmark of RAW.
Furthermore, an ongoing operation is the ostracisation of Pakistan by world sporting by refusing to visit Bakistan. Sri Lanka did, with devastating effects. :D
 

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On a related note, someone *ahem ahem* attacked tourists in Gilgit Baltistan too. I don't know who did it but, someone did it. Someone.

On June 22, 2013, about 16 militants, reportedly dressed in Gilgit Scouts uniforms, stormed a high-altitude mountaineering base camp in Gilgit–Baltistan, Pakistan, and killed 10 climbers and a local guide. The climbers were from various countries, including Ukraine, China, Slovakia, Lithuania and Nepal. A Chinese citizen managed to escape the assailants, and a member of the group from Latvia happened to be outside the camp during the attack. The attack happened at the base camp on Nanga Parbat, the ninth highest mountain in the world. The mountain is popular among trekkers and mountaineers from June to August because of the moderate weather conditions.

Link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Nanga_Parbat_massacre
Paki terrorism in general has a very negative impact on our economy, a lot of tourist ignore India due to Islamic terrorism by Paki's.

If you remember,26/11 terrorist were specially instructed to kill our tourist, this is a total war imposed on us by pakis and it has been more than 3 decades.
 

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Coming back to the discussion of the thread, In my humble opinion it is pointless to conduct surgical strikes. The response to Indian surgical strikes will be strategic nukes on our cities. So we might as well start with tactical surprise nuke attack on Paki installations and bunkers,
 

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Of course.
I suspect the terrorist attack on Sri Lanka Cricket team was a RAW operation. No one got caught, nothing was concluded, That is a pure hallmark of RAW.
Furthermore, an ongoing operation is the ostracisation of Pakistan by world sporting by refusing to visit Bakistan. Sri Lanka did, with devastating effects. :D
Mannn I love the way when pakis moan that no country is willing to come to pak,if this was the work of RAW,then it's the best thing Congress did with Pak since 1971 :rofl:

Pakis love cricket more than their Abba,you know :D
 

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Dude nobody going to nuke us for just a Airstrike,they didn't nuked us when we allegedly used Chemical weapons on Pakis in kargil,they sure won't mind a air strike in Bahawalpur.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/367830.stm

Coming back to the discussion of the thread, In my humble opinion it is pointless to conduct surgical strikes. The response to Indian surgical strikes will be strategic nukes on our cities. So we might as well start with tactical surprise nuke attack on Paki installations and bunkers,
 

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Dude nobody going to nuke us for just a Airstrike,they didn't nuked us when we allegedly used Chemical weapons on Pakis in kargil,they sure won't mind a air strike in Bahawalpur.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/367830.stm
Although I agree that Air strike is the way to go- But we cannot do that since our AF don't have enough aircrafts and combat readiness to deal with an escalated situation-

May be by 2025 we will be in position to do that- IMO we should not hit Pakistan directly till our Naval Air force matches PAF in numbers and surpasses them in quality by a long margin- i.e. 300 or so 4.5+ gen combat planes, half a dozen AEW&C, and other force multipliers-

Till then our intel- agencies can always turn the good terrorists as bad and some more attacks in Pakistan can follow after a long silence-
 

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Below is the answer before I could reply.

We need a very potent air strike capability of 2:1 or 3:1 (just for Pakis and 1:1 reserve for Chinese)and a very large amount of Missiles+BMD for any such first strike.India always does reactive strike as per history and successful in it.

Although I agree that Air strike is the way to go- But we cannot do that since our AF don't have enough aircrafts and combat readiness to deal with an escalated situation-

May be by 2025 we will be in position to do that- IMO we should not hit Pakistan directly till our Naval Air force matches PAF in numbers and surpasses them in quality by a long margin- i.e. 300 or so 4.5+ gen combat planes, half a dozen AEW&C, and other force multipliers-

Till then our intel- agencies can always turn the good terrorists as bad and some more attacks in Pakistan can follow after a long silence-
 

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If war happens Pakistan will suffer most !

India will recover quickly and can keep its reforms on track, Pakistan will suffer the war effects for a long time.

Any way Pakistan is not a normal state it is a jihadi hub.

You forget what Gen Ziaul Huq had told Rajiv Gandhi. "If you move towards us, we will nuke you. You will nuke us back, and both will be destroyed. But Muslims will still be on earth, not Hindus".
 

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You forget what Gen Ziaul Huq had told Rajiv Gandhi. "If you move towards us, we will nuke you. You will nuke us back, and both will be destroyed. But Muslims will still be on earth, not Hindus".
Yes with 30 Kt nukes and a capability of 300 x 30 kt capability India will be wiped out ? Right?

These days one pass of satellite on the territory can sniff off the nuke facilities and nuke storage places, there are technologies which can precisely identify where the uranium came from and who is exporting where by simple sampling.

Why are the Americans developing small nuke bombs to target the nuke caves? ....... the detection technologies are already there ..... nuke bomb is 1950's technology.

Only Nasr is reliable in Pakistani inventory, other missiles has guidance problems.

Pakistan is fully dependent on US's policy, they will not let Pakistan harmed by external factors ... the drama of US pressuring Pakistanis is also fake ... nothing will come out of it, as usual Pakistan will be a partner of USA in war of Terror (Islam).

The moment US decides to minus Pakistan from its policy ... there will be trouble for this Jihadi country, because countries around Pakistan are pissed off and Pakistanis will not change because Pakistan will always be kept in the comfort zone of USA's umbrella. Pakjabies are there to piss off every one in this region and play in accordance with USA's policy. Their's is not bravery ... it is backing of USA. They are trained to piss off neighbors and then go and hide in the comfort zone provided by the USA.

Don't even talk about the darling of 1980's USA Zia's rants .... we know how valid they are and what their capabilities are.

On India's part we need to deploy ABM systems all around the NW border and important cities. Just to make sure India is safe. They will be replied in the same coin for their madness.
 
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You forget what Gen Ziaul Huq had told Rajiv Gandhi. "If you move towards us, we will nuke you. You will nuke us back, and both will be destroyed. But Muslims will still be on earth, not Hindus".
That was 1987,the same year Indian annexed Siachen in military actions,second time Qaid Post was captured and renamed BANA post.

Why didn't Zia nuked us ?

And ever heard of Samson's option ?
 

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All this "we will nuke u" bluff is to create a hysteria. We Hindus are not fools. If Pakistan wants to destroy Hindus they will land up destroying Muslims, which they are already doing. They themselves will bring an end to Muslims very soon. The sectarian fight will end them.
I still don't understand why Dovalji and Modiji are over cautious and slow in launching a war on Pakistan and bring an end to the Kashmir issue. We have to get Russia to back us strongly.
 

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We have to get Russia to back us strongly.
Russia is engaged in Ukraine and Syria; What did India do to back Russia in its time of need? We still reject the Russian position on Crimea and we expect Russia to accept the Indian position over Kashmir. :doh:

It's amusing how a nation of over a billion people looks to a nation of 140 million for help to fight a ragtag country like Pakistan and we still refer to ourselves as a great power.

This is the cost of non-alignment. You can't claim to be non-aligned in international politics and yet expect countries to take your side when you need them.
 

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Bhayion Bahino, Aman ka bat karo. Let us stop the slaughter that the British had programed us to carry on and on.
 

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Potential targets...

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/army-ready-to-carry-out-any-task-gen-suhag/

The Army chief said that the security environment facing the nation is becoming more “complex and dynamic” and said that at least 17 terror training camps continue to be active in Pakistani occupied Kashmir compared to 42 earlier.

He said some of the camps were shut down few years ago due to international pressure.
He refused to comment on the statement of Parrikar who had stressed on the need to give back the pain inflicted on India because of terror attacks.
 

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All this "we will nuke u" bluff is to create a hysteria. We Hindus are not fools. If Pakistan wants to destroy Hindus they will land up destroying Muslims, which they are already doing. They themselves will bring an end to Muslims very soon. The sectarian fight will end them.
I still don't understand why Dovalji and Modiji are over cautious and slow in launching a war on Pakistan and bring an end to the Kashmir issue. We have to get Russia to back us strongly.

Doval in one of his speeches said that what is the cost which leadership is willing to pay for a large conflict. Like it or not thought we are stronger than Pakistan our focus is being an Economic Giant so that countries like Pakistan just roll over. Frankly i would not want a war not that i am scared but i would want India to keep focus on economic growth and plugging the gaps in our security.
I want us to engage Pakistan in 5 gen warfare(Cyber warfare (Critical Infrastructure like banks, powerhouses, crack there nuclear launch codes etc) destroy them economically so that population itself revolts against govt and military.
As far as Hindu Muslim war is concerned, we will see ummah kissing porkies soon.
 

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When the US unveiled its Monroe doctrine in 1823, Britain decided to support it. Not ally with it, but simply deciding that a US Monroe doctrine favors British interests, so they informally supported it.
Oh, no, no. British didn't favour Monrone at all. They simply couldn't resist it since they had no hope of winning a war against a big country thousands miles away. Even if they can win on the sea, they would risk American's attack on Canada which was quite critical for them.

In order to support this Monrone doctrine, they gave up their interest in Caribbean and Bahama canal. They lost a lot.

We need to do that wherever there are US interests, except, we must block them. Get them to negotiate on our terms. For this, we can take a piggyback ride on Russia. No need to dismiss Russia just because it was cut down to size. No need to have blind faith in Russia for their help during 1971.
Ok, the no.1 interest in India Ocean is: not allow anyone to dominate this area except herself. Now, let's see how you negotiate that.
 

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What if Israeli plane was shot down by Syrians ?

Probably they threatened to give the pilot back or more serious strikes including Artillery and syrians had strong military before Civil war.
Syria is not a nuclear country. Pakistan is.
Syria can't kill 5 million Israel citizens in 1 hours. But Pakistan can do that to India.

Now, do you want to risk 5m Indian lives to revenge the death of 2 Indian pilots?
 

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Ok, the no.1 interest in India Ocean is: not allow anyone to dominate this area except herself. Now, let's see how you negotiate that.
Thanks for pointing out the inaccuracy in my reading of the Monroe doctrine. I definitely need to brush up on my history.

As for the Indian ocean region, we don't see it from the point of view of exclusivity of access. We see it as an asset which we are willing to share in exchange for other strategic concessions. India has been trying to add another 250 miles to its exclusive economic zone since years, but the US kept refusing it and repeatedly conducted 'freedom of navigation' missions and invading that space, just like they are doing for the South China sea. We didn't raise an alarm because, firstly, we don't have the might to take on the US, secondly, we were willing to use it as a bargaining chip in the future. Just having large swathes of territory and controlling it militarily is no use if nations resort to exclusion as a response to exclusivity and refuse to trade with you. There has to be a balance between our desire to protect the exclusivity of our territory and our need to conduct business. In fact we allow China to enter deep inside the Bay of Bengal and port their ships at Chittagong port (Bengal). We never put any pressure on Bengal to get them to evict the Chinese presence on that port. Instead, we patiently watched as China to build that port in our neighborhood, and once it was inaugurated, we signed a deal with Bangladesh to share access to that port so that even Indian ships can use it.

At a military level, controlling the Indian ocean and correspondingly defending it lies in the two choke points, one is strait of Malacca and another is strait of Hormuz. The fact remains that ever regional power has the capability to choke these. The only thing that stops them is the bilateral trade with India, and their multilateral trade with other south Asian nations that would be affected. As per game theory, they would be committing suicide, since it is in everyone's mutual interest to keep the trade flowing, especially considering the global slowdown which is causing joblessness, which might exacerbate riots in many nations, if trade is stopped. We don't want to dominate the Indian ocean region, we are willing to share access; We simply don't want anyone else to dominate the area and so we work with regional partners to ensure this status quo is maintained.

If it comes to just keeping foreign naval missile launch platforms away from our shores, we have achieved that capability already. We also have other pressure points (economic and diplomatic). Take for example the recent Pathankot attack where our NSA cancelled his meeting with the Chinese NSA. This jeopardizes Chinese strategic calculations in the region because China is itching to buy temporary peace with India to engage with other, more pressing issues like the south China sea. So, we are willing to inflict retribution onto the backers of Pakistan if this continues. There is also a possibility of multinational military drills in addition to the Naval drills (US, India, Japan) that we already did. If Pakistan keeps needling us, we start needling China. If US sends military aid to Pakistan, we join the Russia-led alliance on Syria. As long as disagreeing with India entailed no adverse strategic implications, it was considered alright to tick off India. They will learn soon that there is a cost to pay if you disagree with us.

As for Pakistan, we have other ways of avenging the deaths of our people while keeping the conflict below the nuclear threshold. There is complete consolidation of public opinion in India vis-a-vis Pakistan. The political authority knows that there is popular support for retribution and they will handle it appropriately. Not every altercation turns nuclear.
 
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Syria is not a nuclear country. Pakistan is.
Syria can't kill 5 million Israel citizens in 1 hours. But Pakistan can do that to India.

Now, do you want to risk 5m Indian lives to revenge the death of 2 Indian pilots?
Something called nuclear threshold,we had several skirmish,artillery duels and cross loc raids with them,since they had nukes and a war resulting in thousand of dead paki soldiers and loss of strategic Paki territory,which was held by pakis before,it's nukes are just an excuse and lack of political will.

Even little south korean don't afraid of nukes,to an extent of india,which bragged as a nuclear power,54fth largest military and economic giant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Yeonpyeong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Yeonpyeong


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong
 
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Please use this thread to discuss about the chances of India carrying out cross border surgical strikes inside Pak.

Some important points to discuss:
- Under what circumstances and when should India do it? Another Parliament type attack etc.
- Would India be able to avert a full-blown war with Pak after such strikes?
- What defence capabilities does India need for successfully carrying out such strikes? And is India ready for it?
- Are surgical strikes a capable deterrent to terrorism related incidents?
- Or instead of surgical strikes Indian artillery should keep pounding the Pak positions for next month after a big terrorist attack?

The nature of such strike inside Pak would be much different than what we saw in the Burma this year. Probably India would use more fire power than sending elite commandos to completely finish off the terrorists.
'Surgical Strike' is something which suits only US/Russia, the superpower bullies. India should never forget its limitations- both economic & military. Moreover India is surrounded by all hostile neighbours. It will get even more isolated in S.Asia. 'Surgical Strike' will further alienate the Indian Muslims from the mainstream and will breed more terrorists groups within India. We must remember Muslims put religion above nationhood. On the other hand, Hindus remain divided in the worst of times. 'Surgical Strike' will elicit more vociferous protest from Hindus and cause bjp's political oblivion.
 

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