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How many of you agree with this ? Su-35 Flanker-E is at last position in the list of world's 10 fastest military aircraft
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Wrong list. The first place goes to SR-71 Blackbird
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To those who are worried about China's possesion of Sukhoi-35MK, I want to tell them that India's 'Super-Sukhoi' project is aimed at countering the Chinese Sukhoi-35 first & in many aspect our Super-Sukhoi will be far ahead than Sukhoi-35. So don't worry, India didn't go for Sukhoi-35 because Indian can get better option than Sukhoi-35 from Russia which isn't the case for China. China can't get Super-Sukhoi like support from Russia because of India's restrictions & that's why China has opted for Sukhoi-35 seeing no option available for them. India's 'Super-Sukhoi' will be not only powerful than Sukhoi-35 but also almost a Sukhoi-T 50 PAK-FA or Sukhoi-FGFA in nature, & this is the difference where Super-Sukhoi will beat Sukhoi-35's & on par with Sukhoi-FGFA. We can even consider Super-Sukhois as another stealth fighter in India's arsenal besides HAL AMCA & Sukhoi-FGFA, that is why it is called 'Super-Sukhoi'. China can't beat our Sukhois neither at present nor in future also.
Su-30 will be augmented by the Super-30 project. The current orders of Su-30 will finish by 2019 and Super-30 will be built thereafter. The current fleet will be upgraded to Super-30 standard in batches.
Sukhoi numbers will definitely grow with time. 20 squadrons of Su-30/Super-30 are quite likely for IAF in future. People must take into consideration huge investment made in the Sukhoi project by India. It makes sense to fully utilize Sukhoi production facilities.
The LCA Tejas will also ramp up in future with one more production line to be established for LCA Tejas Mark II. India is on track to manufacture all IAF fighters within the country in the next few years.
Sukhoi numbers will definitely grow with time. 20 squadrons of Su-30/Super-30 are quite likely for IAF in future. People must take into consideration huge investment made in the Sukhoi project by India. It makes sense to fully utilize Sukhoi production facilities.
The LCA Tejas will also ramp up in future with one more production line to be established for LCA Tejas Mark II. India is on track to manufacture all IAF fighters within the country in the next few years.
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Sukhoi Su-35S deal edge out Rafale in india?
ABU DHABI — Moscow and New Delhi have agreed to perform design work in India on what Russia claims would be a "fifth generation" version of the Su-35, an agreement that may lead to an Indian variant of the fighter jet, the Russian Military Complex chief said. The announcement makes India the first country to sign a contract, however preliminary, for the S version of the Su-35.
"We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35," Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov said during the IDEX show in Abu Dhabi last month. "Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation."
Rostec is Russia's state-run corporation that oversees export of high-tech products.
Chemezov said the jet would be developed to meet the Indian Air Force's requirements. He did not say how many of the jets India might plan to buy. Russia claims the Su-35S would be a fifth generation fighter, as opposed to the legacy fourth generation Su-35. That implies stealth, but it's unclear whether the jet would be on par with an F-35 joint strike fighter. In India, however, no source in the Defence Ministry could confirm that any deal had been signed with Russia on the Su-35S. An Air Force official did say that the Russians have made one or two Su-35S presentations in the past six months on how it can help replace India's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighter aircraft, which are due for retirement in seven or eight years.
Russian industry sources said the fighter will be priced at $85 million. That could make it competitive with Dassault Aviation's Rafale, and could have implications for India's proposed purchase of 126 Rafales. New Delhi selected the Rafale as the preferred bidder in a protracted competition in 2012, but has yet to make a final decision on the purchase. Indian and French defense ministers discussed the Rafale deal during Jean-Yves Le Drian's recent visit to India, an Indian MoD source said. But Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar did not provide a time commitment to Le Drian on when the deal will be signed.
Parrikar told Le Drian that state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) has been asked to complete cost estimates for the Rafales it will build under license. The French defense minister's spokesman was not available for comment.
A Dassault Aviation spokesman, asked about the Indian agreement for design work on the Su-35S, said the Indian Air Force chief has said a Sukhoi cannot replace a Rafale. In India, the Economic Times, reported on Feb. 19 that Indian Air Force chief Arup Raha ruled out a purchase of additional Su-30s as the Russian fighter and the Rafale complemented each other rather than the former replacing the latter. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is due to visit Paris in April, which could be an opportunity for some clarification on the potential Rafale deal, Agence-France Presse has reported.
Russian aircraft makers have been eagerly proclaiming their willingness to step in if India ultimately rejects the French jet. Many believe Russia wants to undercut France as punishment for Paris refusing to deliver two Mistral helicopters carriers to Russia amid deepening tensions with Ukraine.
"If [India] needs additional Su-30MKI fighters, then we are ready to work out such an agreement," Sergei Goreslavsky, deputy director of Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport, told the RIA Novosti news agency on Feb. 16. India operates a large fleet of Sukhoi Su-30 fighters, some of which have been locally produced by HAL.
And Russia's RSK MiG says it would offer an upgraded version of its developmental MiG-35 if India reopens the tender.
"We have every chance to compete [for the contract]," MiG chief Sergei Korotkov said at Aero India on Feb. 18, according to the RIA Novosti new agency. "We have not lost hope that a future tender or competition will be announced."
India remains dependent on Russia to supply weaponry and the two countries have been successful in conducting joint development programs involving advanced technologies, including the co-production of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile.
"Efforts will be made to modernize the Indian defense forces with emphasis on Make-in-India defense programs," an Indian MoD official said. "India remains committed to buy advanced technologies."
India's dependence on Russia for the bulk of its weapons systems, said defense analyst Nitin Mehta.
"India wants to buy advanced systems like the Rafale, even at a higher cost," he said. "[But] dependence on Russians will remain ... and it would be difficult to find the resources to replace these with advanced systems immediately."
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the Su-35S would enter Russian service this year as part of the expansion of the Air Force and Naval Aviation branch.
"Currently, we're testing a new Su-35S multifunctional fighter jet. This year, the new aircraft should enter service. This is the main task for this year," Shoigu said in February.
China is also considering a purchase of Su-35s. A February report by Zvezda, a television network run by the Russian military, said that long-running talks might conclude with a deal to buy 24 fighters on May 19. Chemezov said that the contract, if signed, would provide China with the fourth-generation Su-35, not India's fifth-generation S model.
"This aircraft is called Su-35-4 plus PAK-FA generation and we are negotiating with China and we are in progress and I hope it will be over soon. I wouldn't like to discuss contracts that have still not been signed," he said. "The important point is that this is a very unique aircraft that has not been delivered to any country."
Another potential customer for the Su-35 is Egypt. Last fall, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi signed an arms deal reportedly worth $3.5 billion. Egyptian media reported that the package included Su-35s.
But Chemezov said no firm purchase deal had been settled.
"We have not signed anything with Egypt; we signed an intention protocol and we are negotiating it. I hope soon we will sign a contract," he said.
Experts have suggested that Egypt, long a customer of US arms makers, would have trouble integrating Russian hardware.
"This would require a significant investment and both sides have been in negotiations for years without results," said Ruslan Aliev, of Moscow's Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
But Chemezov said the two countries have already agreed on training protocols in case the purchase goes through.
"As a matter of fact, the terms and conditions of the contract that have been signed maintain not only the delivery and other terms but also the training," he said. "First the pilot will be trained in Russia and later in Egypt, as an example when we supplied the helicopters to the Pentagon, which were then delivered to Afghanistan the pilots took their training to Russia."
Could Su-35S Deal Edge Out Rafale in India?
ABU DHABI — Moscow and New Delhi have agreed to perform design work in India on what Russia claims would be a "fifth generation" version of the Su-35, an agreement that may lead to an Indian variant of the fighter jet, the Russian Military Complex chief said. The announcement makes India the first country to sign a contract, however preliminary, for the S version of the Su-35.
"We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35," Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov said during the IDEX show in Abu Dhabi last month. "Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation."
Rostec is Russia's state-run corporation that oversees export of high-tech products.
Chemezov said the jet would be developed to meet the Indian Air Force's requirements. He did not say how many of the jets India might plan to buy. Russia claims the Su-35S would be a fifth generation fighter, as opposed to the legacy fourth generation Su-35. That implies stealth, but it's unclear whether the jet would be on par with an F-35 joint strike fighter. In India, however, no source in the Defence Ministry could confirm that any deal had been signed with Russia on the Su-35S. An Air Force official did say that the Russians have made one or two Su-35S presentations in the past six months on how it can help replace India's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighter aircraft, which are due for retirement in seven or eight years.
Russian industry sources said the fighter will be priced at $85 million. That could make it competitive with Dassault Aviation's Rafale, and could have implications for India's proposed purchase of 126 Rafales. New Delhi selected the Rafale as the preferred bidder in a protracted competition in 2012, but has yet to make a final decision on the purchase. Indian and French defense ministers discussed the Rafale deal during Jean-Yves Le Drian's recent visit to India, an Indian MoD source said. But Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar did not provide a time commitment to Le Drian on when the deal will be signed.
Parrikar told Le Drian that state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) has been asked to complete cost estimates for the Rafales it will build under license. The French defense minister's spokesman was not available for comment.
A Dassault Aviation spokesman, asked about the Indian agreement for design work on the Su-35S, said the Indian Air Force chief has said a Sukhoi cannot replace a Rafale. In India, the Economic Times, reported on Feb. 19 that Indian Air Force chief Arup Raha ruled out a purchase of additional Su-30s as the Russian fighter and the Rafale complemented each other rather than the former replacing the latter. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is due to visit Paris in April, which could be an opportunity for some clarification on the potential Rafale deal, Agence-France Presse has reported.
Russian aircraft makers have been eagerly proclaiming their willingness to step in if India ultimately rejects the French jet. Many believe Russia wants to undercut France as punishment for Paris refusing to deliver two Mistral helicopters carriers to Russia amid deepening tensions with Ukraine.
"If [India] needs additional Su-30MKI fighters, then we are ready to work out such an agreement," Sergei Goreslavsky, deputy director of Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport, told the RIA Novosti news agency on Feb. 16. India operates a large fleet of Sukhoi Su-30 fighters, some of which have been locally produced by HAL.
And Russia's RSK MiG says it would offer an upgraded version of its developmental MiG-35 if India reopens the tender.
"We have every chance to compete [for the contract]," MiG chief Sergei Korotkov said at Aero India on Feb. 18, according to the RIA Novosti new agency. "We have not lost hope that a future tender or competition will be announced."
India remains dependent on Russia to supply weaponry and the two countries have been successful in conducting joint development programs involving advanced technologies, including the co-production of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile.
"Efforts will be made to modernize the Indian defense forces with emphasis on Make-in-India defense programs," an Indian MoD official said. "India remains committed to buy advanced technologies."
India's dependence on Russia for the bulk of its weapons systems, said defense analyst Nitin Mehta.
"India wants to buy advanced systems like the Rafale, even at a higher cost," he said. "[But] dependence on Russians will remain ... and it would be difficult to find the resources to replace these with advanced systems immediately."
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the Su-35S would enter Russian service this year as part of the expansion of the Air Force and Naval Aviation branch.
"Currently, we're testing a new Su-35S multifunctional fighter jet. This year, the new aircraft should enter service. This is the main task for this year," Shoigu said in February.
China is also considering a purchase of Su-35s. A February report by Zvezda, a television network run by the Russian military, said that long-running talks might conclude with a deal to buy 24 fighters on May 19. Chemezov said that the contract, if signed, would provide China with the fourth-generation Su-35, not India's fifth-generation S model.
"This aircraft is called Su-35-4 plus PAK-FA generation and we are negotiating with China and we are in progress and I hope it will be over soon. I wouldn't like to discuss contracts that have still not been signed," he said. "The important point is that this is a very unique aircraft that has not been delivered to any country."
Another potential customer for the Su-35 is Egypt. Last fall, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi signed an arms deal reportedly worth $3.5 billion. Egyptian media reported that the package included Su-35s.
But Chemezov said no firm purchase deal had been settled.
"We have not signed anything with Egypt; we signed an intention protocol and we are negotiating it. I hope soon we will sign a contract," he said.
Experts have suggested that Egypt, long a customer of US arms makers, would have trouble integrating Russian hardware.
"This would require a significant investment and both sides have been in negotiations for years without results," said Ruslan Aliev, of Moscow's Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
But Chemezov said the two countries have already agreed on training protocols in case the purchase goes through.
"As a matter of fact, the terms and conditions of the contract that have been signed maintain not only the delivery and other terms but also the training," he said. "First the pilot will be trained in Russia and later in Egypt, as an example when we supplied the helicopters to the Pentagon, which were then delivered to Afghanistan the pilots took their training to Russia."
Could Su-35S Deal Edge Out Rafale in India?
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re: Sukhoi Su-35S deal edge out Rafale in india?
What is this ? is he talking about upgrading sukhoi 30 MKI to Su 35s standards or simply buying new Su-35-s ?
Is this an alternative sought for Rafale ?
What is this ? is he talking about upgrading sukhoi 30 MKI to Su 35s standards or simply buying new Su-35-s ?
Is this an alternative sought for Rafale ?
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re: Sukhoi Su-35S deal edge out Rafale in india?
It is most likely buying new Sukhoi-35 customized for India into (most likely) Sukhoi-35MKI, like the Sukhoi-30 was customized for India into Sukhoi-30MKI.
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re: Sukhoi Su-35S deal edge out Rafale in india?
Apparently, Government of India wants to dump the Typhoon vs. Rafale MMRCA can of worms. Although it picked Rafale in 2012, Eurofighter Consortium torpedoed the deal by dropping their prices after Rafale was picked, so if GoI went ahead and inked the deal with Dasault, it would reflect badly on the year's CAG report, with "losses" (for not choosing the 'cheaper' Typhoon) running into tens of thousands of crores.
GoI's backup plan is to take advantage of India and Russia's predicaments - India needs jets, Russia needs money and is now willing to deliver quickly without overrun-dramas. Hence, I guess GoI is inking a parallel deal with Russia for >126 Su-35S jets. These will probably be modded to be twin-seaters, and have some exclusives carried over from 30-MKI.
Apparently, Government of India wants to dump the Typhoon vs. Rafale MMRCA can of worms. Although it picked Rafale in 2012, Eurofighter Consortium torpedoed the deal by dropping their prices after Rafale was picked, so if GoI went ahead and inked the deal with Dasault, it would reflect badly on the year's CAG report, with "losses" (for not choosing the 'cheaper' Typhoon) running into tens of thousands of crores.
GoI's backup plan is to take advantage of India and Russia's predicaments - India needs jets, Russia needs money and is now willing to deliver quickly without overrun-dramas. Hence, I guess GoI is inking a parallel deal with Russia for >126 Su-35S jets. These will probably be modded to be twin-seaters, and have some exclusives carried over from 30-MKI.
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Yes, the Super-Sukhoi or Su-35 is very much serious initiative. A Su-30 follow-on with AESA radar, better EW, and latest weapons.
This plane is different from Su-30MKI. The planes will be absolutely new. And yes, it can be a Rafale killer.
Yes, the Super-Sukhoi or Su-35 is very much serious initiative. A Su-30 follow-on with AESA radar, better EW, and latest weapons.
This plane is different from Su-30MKI. The planes will be absolutely new. And yes, it can be a Rafale killer.
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Honestly all rafale has is the 20k payload it can carry vs 8-10k for most other planes.
It also costs 1-130mil USD each. So is one rafale really better than 2-2.5x T-50s? No.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Sukhoi_T-50_Beltyukov.jpg
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The congress era deals for rafale and apache are bs deals anyway Imo. We would be getting 128 4.5gen (at best) fighters and 70 combat ready helos without any armor.
Is it not better to continue to pursue dev with Russia and Israel for more numbers?
By god, we are a nation of 1.2 billion
with only 750 planes vs the US's 2500!
Honestly all rafale has is the 20k payload it can carry vs 8-10k for most other planes.
It also costs 1-130mil USD each. So is one rafale really better than 2-2.5x T-50s? No.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Sukhoi_T-50_Beltyukov.jpg
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The congress era deals for rafale and apache are bs deals anyway Imo. We would be getting 128 4.5gen (at best) fighters and 70 combat ready helos without any armor.
Is it not better to continue to pursue dev with Russia and Israel for more numbers?
By god, we are a nation of 1.2 billion
with only 750 planes vs the US's 2500!
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re: Sukhoi Su-35S deal edge out Rafale in india?
maybe the russians took a cue from the F15 silent eagle(https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBoeing_F-15SE_Silent_Eagle&ei=zVH9VNiHF9O9uATj9oF4&usg=AFQjCNHd3u_QGm0NAAoqwLVwVHGyYXmkEg) and decided to make a SILENT FLANKER
(all credit for the image to deino of SD,who is also an aviation writer)
maybe the russians took a cue from the F15 silent eagle(https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBoeing_F-15SE_Silent_Eagle&ei=zVH9VNiHF9O9uATj9oF4&usg=AFQjCNHd3u_QGm0NAAoqwLVwVHGyYXmkEg) and decided to make a SILENT FLANKER
(all credit for the image to deino of SD,who is also an aviation writer)
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One thing that India insisted with Sukhoi-30 was the forward canards. Sukhoi-35 will not need those because its CG has been moved back. Also, the dorsal air-brake has been done away with and the two tail fins will act as the air-brake, thus reducing overall weight.
... so why the hell not
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No more russian junk with mantainence nightmare , MOD should concentrate on speeding up development of tejas mk2 project as mk1 is useless , Rafel is much better plane than any in russian junkyard.
It has 90% availability compared to 56% of flankers
It has better airframe and navigation system for deep strike role hence a true multirole
It has 14 hard points
It has 5 times less rcs than flankers
It has better radar
It has supercruise
It has best in class defensive-aids system named SPECTRA .
Its a true multirole with good bvr capabilities , deep strike , terrain hugging bombing etc.
There is no alternative to rafale.
No more russian junk with mantainence nightmare , MOD should concentrate on speeding up development of tejas mk2 project as mk1 is useless , Rafel is much better plane than any in russian junkyard.
It has 90% availability compared to 56% of flankers
It has better airframe and navigation system for deep strike role hence a true multirole
It has 14 hard points
It has 5 times less rcs than flankers
It has better radar
It has supercruise
It has best in class defensive-aids system named SPECTRA .
Its a true multirole with good bvr capabilities , deep strike , terrain hugging bombing etc.
There is no alternative to rafale.
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re: Sukhoi Su-35S deal edge out Rafale in india?
france and russia are able and have been able to co-exist together in india ...
france and russia are able and have been able to co-exist together in india ...
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