Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[IndianHawk]

A glide bomb going 100km = :bs:

The LRGB stands for long range Glide bomb

Here is an Indian glide bomb decimating target at 70km . So 100km range is not something unusual.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

Here is an Indian glide bomb decimating target at 70km . So 100km range is not something unusual.

No I think he is saying "we have glide bomb better than this thus IMPORT FROM FRANCE" and PLEASE don't ask anything in return because we french built the best..... Man this country has some real ATTITUDE problem.
Jaise paise inke baap free Mein deten hain Humen.
One more stupidity in economic front this government is going to do by signing that RCEP deal.
Sab looto aur phile GAAND BHI MARO Thailand ki tarah.
WE gave Thailand FTA, THEY GAVE PAKISTANIS THEIR DAWOOD love boy.

 

[Bhurki]

MoD requires to fast track induction of indigenous glide weapons. Spice is essentially just a EO kitted paveway. Paying $0.4 million for each spice kit will empty coffers quite quickly.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Which Indian glide bomb you are talking about ?

SAAW ? Anti airfield weapon. IAF was considering it for Balakot I guess but was later dropped in favor of Spice 2000. The reason is obvious. It is no where around Spice 2000 .

Garuthmaa / Garuda are in testing phase

We will need Spice 2000 . May be by mid of next decade we can see something concrete coming out of DRDO stable to replace them.

MoD requires to fast track induction of indigenous glide weapons. Paying $0.4 million for each spice kit will empty coffers quite quickly.

 

[Megalomaniac]

does that look you a weak airframe??
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Do you want to tell me Rafale airframe can't handle those lot of men?

 

[Megalomaniac]

somebody said Sukhoi 30 mki is structurally weak?

You didn't understand what I said, did you? But I am not trying to question more about it. No one seems to understand.

 

[Flying Dagger]

You didn't understand what I said, did you? But I am not trying to question more about it. No one seems to understand.

If that was your question . Answer is pretty clean. Rafale have a very stable configuration and it's canard helps it to increase the lift.

Sukhoi on the other hand is a manoeuvrable machine but will need higher thrust to do the same job.

It has more to do with design and thrust available.

 

[WolfPack86]

India plans to upgrade the Su-30MKI with the latest Russian NIIP N035 Irbis E (Snow Leopard), a 20 KW class steerable hybrid ESA radar that equips the Russian air force Su-35 & Su-30SM's, the Snow Lepoard is capable of detecting the U.S F-35 & Chinese J-20 stealth fighters.

Su-30MKI is already equipped with Astra Mk-1 VL BVRAAMs. The brand new indigenously developed Astra MK-1 VL has a range of 110km that already successfully engaged supersonic target drone at 86km distance. The future Super MKI will be equipped with Astra Mk-2 (160km, powered by dual pulse motor) & SFDR (70-340km range Hypersonic BVRAAMs, equipped with GaN AESA seeker).

The Super MKI will be game changer against Chinese J-11D that's already equipped with AESA Radar.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[assassin162]

India plans to upgrade the Su-30MKI with the latest Russian NIIP N035 Irbis E (Snow Leopard), a 20 KW class steerable hybrid ESA radar that equips the Russian air force Su-35 & Su-30SM's, the Snow Lepoard is capable of detecting the U.S F-35 & Chinese J-20 stealth fighters.

Su-30MKI is already equipped with Astra Mk-1 VL BVRAAMs. The brand new indigenously developed Astra MK-1 VL has a range of 110km that already successfully engaged supersonic target drone at 86km distance. The future Super MKI will be equipped with Astra Mk-2 (160km, powered by dual pulse motor) & SFDR (70-340km range Hypersonic BVRAAMs, equipped with GaN AESA seeker).

The Super MKI will be game changer against Chinese J-11D that's already equipped with AESA Radar.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

I believe Indian side has not said much on the radar on Sukhoi. If they go for a PESA radar and that too for the whole fleet, this would be a joke. PESA system is getting obsolete whatever advanced the given system can be. By the time whole fleet is upgraded the system may be obsolete.
Upgrade only 2-4 systems to that if nesessary and wait for bigger Uttam for Sukhoi.

Also what is Astra VL...... That is vertically launched one that maybe used as SAM. Printing mistake or author is confused.

We only need engines out of other major parts from Russia in Sukhoi.

 

[assassin162]

To keep Sukhois upgraded and to meet best standards we have to keep upgrading it with Indian, Israeli and French technolgies....and India is moving in that direction.
This Balakot encounter should be a reminder of that. We were outranged by F16 missiles. Also, there is a difference between range of what missile Russia produces for itself and what it exports to us despite us being their largest defence partner. Not the same case with Israeli or French weapons. For balakot mission we choss Mirages because Spice was not integrated on Sukhoi.
If we dont continuously Indianise, upgrade the Sukhoi it will become restricted to an attack fighter role.

 

[Armand2REP]

100km range is not something unusual.

The Israelis only advertise it at 60km and you would have to launch it at extremely high altitude to get that range. It is not like a French bomb that has rocket assistance.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

The reason is obvious. It is no where around Spice 2000 .

Correct word should be IT WAS NOT READY.
DRDO guys said told to IAF.
I THINK SAAW is good otherwise IAF would had not went for it at first.

 

[Defcon 1]

Correct word should be IT WAS NOT READY.
DRDO guys said told to IAF.
I THINK SAAW is good otherwise IAF would had not went for it at first.

None of DRDO developed bombs, Garuda, Garuthama, SAAW or Sudarshan have Satellite guidance.

Satellite guidance has highest accuracy after laser guidance, but the advantage of satellite guidance over laser guidance is that it doesn't require an external source of laser illumination and thus is ideal for strikes at static targets where air superiority has not been achieved. In other words, it is the perfect weapon for surgical strikes like Balakot.

Till DRDO develops a satellite guided bomb, SPICE-2000 isn't going anywhere, regardless of development status of other bombs.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

None of DRDO developed bombs, Garuda, Garuthama, SAAW or Sudarshan have Satellite guidance.

Satellite guidance has highest accuracy after laser guidance, but the advantage of satellite guidance over laser guidance is that it doesn't require an external source of laser illumination and thus is ideal for strikes at static targets where air superiority has not been achieved. In other words, it is the perfect weapon for surgical strikes like Balakot.

Till DRDO develops a satellite guided bomb, SPICE-2000 isn't going anywhere, regardless of development status of other bombs.

Yes but IAF do went first for SAAW that mean according to them it was good for the mission.
Just it was not ready at that time.

 

[Defcon 1]

Yes but IAF do went first for SAAW that mean according to them it was good for the mission.
Just it was not ready at that time.

We do not know the real reason why SAAW was rejected. It could be because it wasn't ready or simply because its accuracy wasn't good enough.

 

[power_monger]

We do not know the real reason why SAAW was rejected. It could be because it wasn't ready or simply because its accuracy wasn't good enough.

Probably they didn't want to take risk in using a weapon which is not yet inducted.

 

[shiphone]

None of DRDO developed bombs, Garuda, Garuthama, SAAW or Sudarshan have Satellite guidance.

Satellite guidance has highest accuracy after laser guidance, but the advantage of satellite guidance over laser guidance is that it doesn't require an external source of laser illumination and thus is ideal for strikes at static targets where air superiority has not been achieved. In other words, it is the perfect weapon for surgical strikes like Balakot.

Till DRDO develops a satellite guided bomb, SPICE-2000 isn't going anywhere, regardless of development status of other bombs.

Satellite guidance = GPS/GLONASS(or any satellite based navigation systems) guidance, is it?

so...

and I think quite some of your mentioned DRDO projects have the GPS/GLONASS guidance as the part of compound guidance which is very common nowadays.

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obviously, the TV/IR image-guide and newer Scene Matching tech should not be forgotten which are also very common terminal phase guidance besides the Laser guide.

you mentioned SPICE2000 is right an example and this exactly explains what happened in the air strike in Feb( GPS civilian code isn't that accurate , INS has the integration drift, and somehow 'Scene Matching' didn't work in the end )

 

[Armand2REP]

this exactly explains what happened in the air strike in Feb( GPS civilian code isn't that accurate , INS has the integration drift, and somehow 'Scene Matching' didn't work in the end )

If you are referring to the Porki counter attack using Chinese guidance systems you would be correct.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Correct word should be IT WAS NOT READY.
DRDO guys said told to IAF.
I THINK SAAW is good otherwise IAF would had not went for it at first.

Ohh it was ready actually they are both different and Spice 2000 would be with a warhead of 900 kg around while SAAW with 120 kg around.

SAAW is meant to destroy airfields it would have been of not much use as the mission was to kill as many porks who were inside the bunker. It is like Spice 250 .

While Spice 2000 kit must have been attached with 900 kg bomb.

We will get there no worries.

 

[Defcon 1]

Satellite guidance = GPS/GLONASS(or any satellite based navigation systems) guidance, is it?

so...

and I think quite some of your mentioned DRDO projects have the GPS/GLONASS guidance as the part of compound guidance which is very common nowadays.

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obviously, the TV/IR image-guide and newer Scene Matching tech should not be forgotten which are also very common terminal phase guidance besides the Laser guide.

you mentioned SPICE2000 is right an example and this exactly explains what happened in the air strike in Feb( GPS civilian code isn't that accurate , INS has the integration drift, and somehow 'Scene Matching' didn't work in the end )

The slide itself mentions that terminal guidance is laser based. Satellite guidance for midcourse only. I am talking about terminal guidance here.
Another weapon with satellite guidance with India is Brahmos (just writing from memory here), which has a 3G (GPS, GLONASS, GAGAN) satellite guidance chip.

As for what happened in Balakot, it did work and the bombs hit their targets, which has been corroborated by multiple evidences, the biggest one being that Pakistan army shut the area for one whole month. On an Indian forum, you are free to believe whatever fantasies you like. You would have banned in Pakistani forums for speaking your thoughts openly, had you contradicted their narrative.