Small arms and Light Weapons

[Aditya Ballal]

But I don't think there is any innovation in Arsenal's AKs that they can patent to form the base for a ToT. It uses decades old data package supplied to all ex-USSR countries.

Moreover, they chances of Bulgaria applying for patents here in India is quite bleak.

Arsenal does have a JV with Kalyani though so they might have grounds to object if they do hold IPR. Also I don’t trust OFB to have had the skills to jump from Stamped AKs to Milled AKs on their own.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

TAR and its version is gaining popularity these days. That means that CAPFs is getting good performance from it.
NSG usually never bothers with anything made from OFBs. But this 100 order for Trica may indicate its popularity. Though it is likely just for testing, but point is they never tried their hands on any Insas derivatives in the past.

 

[Johny_Baba]

I think order for TriCa might have happened as potential supplement/replacement of those bulgarian krinkov pattern 7.62x39mm AKs we have here in some limited service, since practically TriCa is same exact thing, with rails on top and so as upgrades...

 

[Johny_Baba]

Arsenal does have a JV with Kalyani though so they might have grounds to object if they do hold IPR. Also I don’t trust OFB to have had the skills to jump from Stamped AKs to Milled AKs on their own.

C'mon, they build those milled receiver 1A SLR here, so did many other stuff like those L4 LMG and so;

their MK.1C INSAS Excalibur came much before any prominent JV between phoren and desi ventures happened here, and it has got milled receiver build...

 

[Lonewarrior]

Also I don’t trust OFB to have had the skills to jump from Stamped AKs to Milled AKs on their own.

Milling is way easier than stamping TBH.

- Make a CAD model.
- Convert it to CNC codes.
- Have your chai-naashta.
- You now have a milled AK receiver.

For stamping you first need to design all the presses and dies and punches. And that's a complex job.

 

[Whitecollar]

Milling is way easier than stamping TBH.

- Make a CAD model.
- Convert it to CNC codes.
- Have your chai-naashta.
- You now have a milled AK receiver.

For stamping you first need to design all the presses and dies and punches. And that's a complex job.

Can you name some of the "CNC" machines available with honhaar OFB? Seems to me they're still making work of 60s-70s machines for their riful production needs.

 

[Whitecollar]

For the people that say 556 isn't effective enough to kill a target and that INSAS's barrel is way too long...

 

[Lonewarrior]

Can you name some of the "CNC" machines available with honhaar OFB? Seems to me they're still making work of 60s-70s machines for their riful production needs.

Modernisation of OFB

Modernisation of Ordnance Factories has been carried out in the last decade by procurement of state-

pib.gov.in

 

[another_armchair]

AR-15 is an opensource design.

What's stopping OFB or SSS defence from attempting to build their own 5.56 carbine?

 

[SGOperative]

For the people that say 556 isn't effective enough to kill a target and that INSAS's barrel is way too long...

Its about stopping power, it injures the target and during combat a individual is high on Adrenaline so he is still capable of dealing damage to you. Why do you think its preferred in CI/CT ops

 

[Whitecollar]

Modernisation of OFB

Modernisation of Ordnance Factories has been carried out in the last decade by procurement of state-

pib.gov.in

Giving make and model code by Netashree would've helped. Even small gun manufacturers at Darra use CNCs now to replicate M4s & AK-103s.

 

[another_armchair]

Its about stopping power, it injures the target and during combat a individual is high on Adrenaline so he is still capable of dealing damage to you. Why do you think its preferred in CI/CT ops

It is more accurate than the 7.62x39.

With decent optics, the 556 can fly into your face from 200 m away and start draining your skull before your soul has even exited the body.

 

[Whitecollar]

Its about stopping power, it injures the target and during combat a individual is high on Adrenaline so he is still capable of dealing damage to you. Why do you think its preferred in CI/CT ops

Learn about exit wounds and wound channel dude. 556 creates one hell of a wound channel. High velocity means better force carried per unit distance. A 7.62 loses a lot of energy after 200mtrs whereas 556 and 545 are still highly dangerous at 200-250 mtr. Infact 545 was so dangerous(due to yaw and roll after impact) that Afghanis called it poison bullet.

With proper barrel twist rate and length, you can reap souls at battlefield against enemies using even BPJs.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Giving make and model code by Netashree would've helped. Even small gun manufacturers at Darra use CNCs now to replicate M4s & AK-103s.

If OFB can use Steyr manufactured Cold Hammer Forging machines and that too from quite a long time; then I think you're being bit ignorant about the capital and acquisition capabilities of OFB.

It seems you're hell bent on knowing the name; it's Haas.
Most of the high precision parts are not made inhouse by OFB; they are outsourced. And in India Haas is the most common brand of CNC used.

 

[SGOperative]

Learn about exit wounds and wound channel dude. 556 creates one hell of a wound channel. High velocity means better force carried per unit distance. A 7.62 loses a lot of energy after 200mtrs whereas 556 and 545 are still highly dangerous at 200-250 mtr. Infact 545 was so dangerous(due to yaw and roll after impact) that Afghanis called it poison bullet.

With proper barrel twist rate and length, you can reap souls at battlefield against enemies using even BPJs.

Not talking at long ranges but at close encounters it completes the job why do you think RR preferers them

 

[SGOperative]

 

[Whitecollar]

Not talking at long ranges but at close encounters it completes the job why do you think RR preferers them

RR prefers them cause it was the best reliable gun out there since the 90s...a shame really. Had we given them likes of M4s, TARs, or any other highly reliable rifle with shorter barrel and much more reliability than INSAS, they would never touch AKs unless very necessary.

 

[SGOperative]

RR prefers them cause it was the best reliable gun out there since the 90s...a shame really. Had we given them likes of M4s, TARs, or any other highly reliable rifle with shorter barrel and much more reliability than INSAS, they would never touch AKs unless very necessary.

Nope TAR variant is there for the RR QRT/Ghatak Guys but even they prefer AKs and not just RR even GIGN adopted CZ Bren in 7.62 because of the stopping power the round provides.

 

[Whitecollar]

Nope TAR variant is there for the RR QRT/Ghatak Guys but even they prefer AKs

Yeah cause most of them use FAB mod AKs. Others use either captured AK 56/47s or imported AKs like Arsenal, VZ, etc. They can't really demand a new rifle unless old ones are beyond salvaging. That process is long and requires a lot of approvals. Hence such things are done only when bulk replacement requirement comes up. As I said before, MoD likes to do kharcha only on forward troops.

 

[SGOperative]

Yeah cause most of them use FAB mod AKs. Others use either captured AK 56/47s or imported AKs like Arsenal, VZ, etc. They can't really demand a new rifle unless old ones are beyond salvaging. That process is long and requires a lot of approvals. Hence such things are done only when bulk replacement requirement comes up. As I said before, MoD likes to do kharcha only on forward troops.

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even GIGN adopted CZ Bren in 7.62 because of the stopping power the round provides.